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Ork Guy wrote:Ok cool, so how can we find out definite answers?

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GW can't be bothered to edit their own books before release (I'm sorry, they DO edit them, they just always have "problems at the printers", my mistake) or release patches for them on anything like a regular basis. So we wait. And wait.

Doctor Optimal is sadly correct. Till then, just house rule it and carry on--it won't be the last time you have to do this in 40k.

Its actually really sad to see all the mistakes they make and they are not spelling or anything like hat, but there im[portant things that are easy to pick up on like the dakkagun. Another example i found was that everybody got the Waaaaagh! special rule, but its only for infantry...

They are getting lazy....

Ok, so anyway, i was thinking o trying to convert a rhino or razorback into a looted wagon with Boomgun, but this is just a thought....I have alot of "essential" things i must get first like another Trukk to carry the second lot of boyz (for those of you that dont know what im talking about, look at my post on the last page) and i was definetely thinking of getting Old Zogwort. But before Zogwort i wanted to get stormboyz if only ther is a way to get them now in a pack :( And added to the stormboyz i would definetely get Boss Zagstrukk. So here is my priority list:

1. New Shiny Trukk
2. Stormboyz (if there is a pack)
3. Boss Zagstrukk (if i get stormboyz!)
4. Old Zogwort
5. Looted Wagon with boomgun

The idea with the boomgun is to add that shooty feeling to my army, just in a bigger size. Alot of people look at 40K(I definetely do too!) as "good units are ones that take out more points of enemy units than itself before its dead/destroyed" The boomgun on Looted wagon cost just over 100 pts and its PERFECT for MEQ armies because they usually consist of untis with 3+ armour saves like a typical space marine, but a space marine is pretty expensive too. To have a looted wagon to take down a whole lot of marines in one blast should match up the points im spending on the wagon. Then i might be lucky to take down light vehicles (This is hard with an ORDANCE weapon though!!).

And Zogwort IMO is awesome value for his points because hes awesome in assault with the nest of vipers and his got good magic spells too with the extra Warphead special rule. And then his also got the Squig transforation that can be really annoying for somebody that just got their 180+ pts Marneus Calgar with Gauntlets of Ultramarar and all his other special rules just converted into a squig thats good about 30 teeth...

So anyway what do you guys think about the Looted Wagon with Boomgun and Old Zogwort?

Wagon sucks horribly, but hey, at least it's only 100-odd points of suckage. You can take it for flavour and not be throwing the game. Still, I really wouldn't count on it making back its points. With Rhino armour, that thing is not going to kill 7 SMs before dying. Have you considered a Killkannon Battlewagon instead? Just as flavourful, but more effective.

Old Zogwort seems okay to me. The 18" no-go zone for ICs is pretty handy against armies that rely on their ICs to do things no other unit in the list can. (My Eldar and SoBs feel Zogwort's presence quite keenly.) Just be aware that he is pretty vulnerable and that he can't combo his poisoned attacks with the PW effect should he roll it.

You can make rokkit packs for the stormboyz. Much cheaper then buying several sets of the stormboyz upgrades. I used push pins and lots of greenstuff on one squad and wire connectors for another.

Avoid looted wagons. If you really really want an ordnance gun take TC's advice a run a killkannon BW.

I, too, made $45 worth of rokkit packs from about 6 bucks worth of random electrical parts. The blisters make no sense.

Could budro and vikingsvsmafia plaease put photos of those torm boyz rokkit packs here if you have time, i really want to see them.

Also, why would you want a kilcannon battlewagon, it is very expensive?

It's also a lot more likely to survive long enough to fire.

It's not "very expensive." It's 45 points more than a Looted Wagon (before adding any toys to either). It's not a great unit in itself, but it's a bargain in comparison.

Well, i read over it again, i was thinking of making one not for transport but for an anti-infantry purpose. I was thinking kilkannon, 4 big shootas and one of those artillery weapons.

But after looking at my army, what type of BW do you guys think i should get? (previous page is my army)

The army you list there is tiny. You should probably be thinking about what you want it to be like at 1500-1750 points when deciding how/whether to field a BW.

Personally I would recommend against taking almost any of of the heavy support options - unless you're playing Apoc at around 3K or higher. For the points of your Killkannon BW you could get another trukk mob. For only about 50 more points you could get 30 shoota boyz, rokkits and a nob. Both of these units are more tactically viable and better at killing infantry then a BW.

You botrh have points there. Im trying to get to 750pt then start rising. With that army list there (obviously taking away the 2 warbikerz) i have around 430 pts. I really do not want to go and stick around with 100 pts, i like going around 750-1000pt. My marines army is 1500pts and it was winning alot of battles because i had balanced it out with pretty strong troops.

Anyway, with another trukk upgraded my way we could get to about 480pts. I definetely dont want to get a BW right now because my list is too small to back it up. I also wanted to get about 19 stormboyz and boss zagstruk which will bump my army to about just over 790pts.

Before i go on, what do you guys think so far of these add-ons?

You botrh have points there. Im trying to get to 750pt then start rising. With that army list there (obviously taking away the 2 warbikerz) i have around 430 pts. I really do not want to go and stick around with 100 pts, i like going around 750-1000pt. My marines army is 1500pts and it was winning alot of battles because i had balanced it out with pretty strong troops.

Anyway, with another trukk upgraded my way we could get to about 480pts. I definetely dont want to get a BW right now because my list is too small to back it up. I also wanted to get about 19 stormboyz and boss zagstruk which will bump my army to about just over 790pts.

Before i go on, what do you guys think so far of these add-ons?

Any particular reason you double posted three days apart? People will answer your post if they have something to add, just be patient.

1500pts is a nice round figure for any small army, even if you only play 1000pts games the extra 500pts will give you extra options to create different army setups each game or varients of the same one.

I went really OTT with my marines with 4500pts worth and only play 2000pt games, however those extra models allow me to field armies that can differ greatly meaning my opponent can never really plan for them.

In the case of Orks, if you want to build up the points, go with more boyz! lotsa boyz! Maybe a few trukks to put them in aswell.

I double posted because as people start posting in other threads, this thread goes down the list and onto the next few pages and never gets recognised again so i posted to get it back up so people can reply. Plus, i see no harm in double-posting....

Anyway, thanks for the input, i probably want about 3 squads of boyz and 3 trukks but i wanted to get stormboyz because they can deep strike if they have the boss with them. I was thinking of something to add on to my army that can take out some targets before my trukks and boyz get to the enemy.

Anyway, so i left off at about 790pts, next on my priority list was Old Zogwort and hes around 140pts. Add him onto my army and we get bumped up to 930pts. thats 70pts off my target!!

1. So what do you guys think of the add-ons?
2. Also, this might sound mub but how many dice does the SoG scatter when fired? I cant find it in the codex anywhere?

Look in your BGB under Ordnance weapons.

Ye i read the rulebook but for some reason, the Big Mek must be a special character like no other because ordance weapons can only be mounted on vehicles. But for some reason, the Big Mek owns one... Anyway it says that if the "vehicle" moved its 2D6. The Big Mek cant move and shoot this weapon because it is Heavy so im assuming its 1D6. Has anybody found something that is against this?

"Roll the Scatter dice and a D6 to see where the shot lands [blah blah blah]. If the Ordnance weapon was fired by a moving vehicle then two D6 are rolled and the highest taken"--BGB pg. 29

Is there ever a time when the Big Mek will fire his SAG and find it is true that the SAG was "fired by a moving vehicle"? No, so resolve it the ordinary way. I don't see where the confusion is coming from.

Im just saying because the rulebook says "fired by a moving vehicle" and the Big Mek isnt a vehicle. Just wanted to know

Um, yeah, exactly.

Did the Big Mek move? If so, he can't fire the SAG, since it is Heavy.

Did the Big Mek not move? Great, he can fire the SAG. Is he a vehicle that moved? No, he isn't, so no 2D6.

Your assumption is not an assumption but a logical consequence of the rules as written.