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I'm not saying not to lament the loss of this list but jp400 is saying that IG has always been weak and this last codex was a horizontal shift which is just completely false. And he was a dick to boot to a new member for no reason.

And look at the last few books. IG got MORE options net, SM got MORE options net, and Orks got MORE options net. So going by precedents, a few carnifex's arms may have to be broken off but to think that the Nid codex is going to be nuked wholesale is NOT based on 5th ed precedent.

Wow, Emo nids. Who would have thought that Emo's would be the saving grace of humanity?

Who could have even dreamed that if you feed Tyranids enough Emo IG players that at some point they would turn their scything talons upon themselves?

Everyone celebrate, GW figured out how to save the Galaxy from the Great Devourer. (Claps hands)YAAAYYY!!


In reality,
I'm looking forward to this next 'Nids dex now. Unless GW takes away their scything talons so they can't cut themselves.

Seriously, Looking forward to the New 'Nids 'Dex when ever it gets here. GW will do a good job on making 5th ed current.

6th ed will be another matter. Don't know if they will be built to last as it were.

List of things to look for, IMO

Hive mind powers getting softened a bit to reflect the new fluff in the 5th ed BRB.

Venom Cannon looses open-topped only Nerf and instead becomes a BS based Assaut 3

Expect the assault X or 2X type profiles to go away. People that play, don't do math according to GW.

Scything Talon rules will get reworked under the heading of rules clarity. May go away as wargear and become built into specific units.

GW will try to help the continued resurgence of the warriors. How this turns out will be anybody's guess.

Spore mine rule will be reworked in the name of clarity and will become even more problematic due to an obvious sentence being left out.

Look for the mandatory "New" Unit release.

Expect the "New" Unit to be nothing more than 12 prepackaged Carnifex's which will all be pre-written and listed in the codex with only a few options.

Look for 'Nids to get FNP, Rage, and a bunch of other stuff in a "prewritten" and already included in unit profile kind of way.





Off-topic: @ Shep- How you doin? Were you able to make anything of that Ninja build?


@Any guard player who thinks the last codex was better-Play the old books best list against the new ones in a series of games and let me know how it turns out. Seriously, am interested in how it turns out. But, only in an IG thread.

CT GAMER wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Thank god Shep is here to bring some reason and good analysis

I guess he is picking up your slack as well?

When exactly was I knee-jerking? Or for that matter making any analysis?

But yes, Shep did a better job explaining the potential of the upcoming Nid dex than I would have.

Ozymandias wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Thank god Shep is here to bring some reason and good analysis

I guess he is picking up your slack as well?

When exactly was I knee-jerking? Or for that matter making any analysis?

But yes, Shep did a better job explaining the potential of the upcoming Nid dex than I would have.

I was referring to your bad analysis of this thread and the lack of reason in said analysis...

Notice I didn't quote the knee jerk statement so I thus made no claim of you knee-jerking.

Well I'll give you an A- for effort but only a C- for the insult.

Ozymandias wrote:Well I'll give you an A- for effort but only a C- for the insult.

I guess its a wash, I gave your trolling C for content but the effort was a little weak at a B+

Ozymandias wrote:I'm not saying not to lament the loss of this list but jp400 is saying that IG has always been weak and this last codex was a horizontal shift which is just completely false. And he was a dick to boot to a new member for no reason..

What are you smokeing? Guard has always been a sub par army end of story! The only reason why they do as well as they do is cause in the past the people that have stuck with them tend to be a better player then most. You had to be to win with them. Funny how quickly people forget these things. Also I was far from being a dick buddy boy. If you really want me to be a dick I can be.

Ozymandias wrote:And look at the last few books. IG got MORE options net, SM got MORE options net, and Orks got MORE options net. So going by precedents, a few carnifex's arms may have to be broken off but to think that the Nid codex is going to be nuked wholesale is NOT based on 5th ed precedent.

More options dont mean squat if 1/2 of them will never EVER be fielded outside "fun" play due to restrictions/limitations, Overcost base cost or upgrades, made obsolete by other codex choices ect ect ect. Once Again guard are a perfect example of this. Why Field Ratlings when you can field SOBS for the same cost? Why field Stormtroopers when you can take space marines for the same cost? Why field Ogryn when you can field GKT for near the same cost? Why field a tank that costs more then a land raider when you can field a land raider? Why Field Roughriders.......I could go on but you get the idea.

If Guard are so high and mighty, how come you dont see more IG armies placeing top 10 in any GW event? Oh thats right, cause they are a MID TIER army at best. Everyone once in a while a good player gets lucky and he comes out on top.

Well this thread was fun while it lasted...

I demand an Ork Emoticon eating popcorn.

Sorry HBMC..
Moveing on.

OT:
I actually dont mind Nidzilla builds. I feel that really all that needs to be changed with the current dex is that points needs to be reduced in some areas, and options made so that people will actually play with em... (Garg/)

As it happens I'd prefer a return to more swarm-like 'Nids. I think that's the way 'Nids should be. What I don't want is a return to Swarm 'Nids simply because they want to start selling Gaunts and Warriors again as opposed to 'Fexes.

We all know that DE are coming out in Feb.

















































Of aught-never.

Agreed. 'Nids shouldn't be a small elite force outside of Nidzilla builds. Isn't the typical image of the Tyranids supposed to be an endless horde of Gaunts sweeping across the landscape?

jp400 wrote:

What are you smokeing? Guard has always been a sub par army end of story! The only reason why they do as well as they do is cause in the past the people that have stuck with them tend to be a better player then most. You had to be to win with them. Funny how quickly people forget these things. Also I was far from being a dick buddy boy. If you really want me to be a dick I can be.

How about a nice "No."?

Stay on topic.

STOP the personal attacks.

OK?

Tyranids will use small elite forces, subterfuge and assassination teams when it's necessary. Infiltration of genestealer broods is a common" tactic. I'd love to see Swarm-Nids that work, but cutting the list down to just swarm Nids would be a disservice to the army, and cut out many players who would rather re-create Alien or Godzilla rather than Starship Troopers.

MilkmanAl wrote:"Old school" Carnifexes actually had a pretty hardcore long-range shooting attack. They were beasts at range and in HtH. Then again, this was back in the day when a single Genestealer could give today's special characters a run for their money.

It was a pretty good "gun"...roughly equivalent to a battlecannon, IIRC. The thing was that you tended not to fire it much (unless you have the right biomorph, and even then only once, IIRC) because the Carnifex was *fantastic* as a moving screen. Second ed. Carnifexes -- biomorphed properly -- were one of the toughest units that's existed in any edition of the game.

The Unending wrote:I get an image of Gaunts crushing most dedicated assault troops under their sheer weight of numbers alone.

That doesn't work so well in 5th ed., however. Gaunts either need better CC effectiveness, a morale solution (synapse allowing choice of autopass/fail was what I previously mentioned) or both to grind down the uberunits of 5th.

When in doubt, GW is trying to make money. They're not trying to ruin your list.

Sidstyler wrote:Well, unless you play DA or Chaos.

Or Necrons.....hell, they didn't even need a new codex to do that.

Second ed. Carnifexes -- biomorphed properly -- were one of the toughest units that's existed in any edition of the game.

9 Toughness, 2 Terminator saves, and a 4+ invulnerable, if I recall. It was something like that. Man, I hope they bring that back. Then again, I'm not sure I want to be paying 700 points per Carnifex...

I'm another proponent of a return to horde lists. I really enjoy fielding tons of little crap shock troops that actually do something when they slam into the opposing forces and backing them up with the big nasties. No Retreat absolutely has to get changed or worked around for Gaunts to be of any use. I'm really hoping GW realizes thatand does something about it. I hate having Gaunts be nothing but overpriced Gretchin.

Zathras wrote:

When in doubt, GW is trying to make money. They're not trying to ruin your list.

Sidstyler wrote:Well, unless you play DA or Chaos.

Or Necrons.....hell, they didn't even need a new codex to do that.

Perhaps. But Necrons sure need a new Codex so everybody else knows what the hell they're playing against, and so that the Necron players themselves know how their own army works...

Quick, how many times has everyone had to remind a Necron player that Gauss weapons don't have rending. "Wait, they don't?" is not an acceptable answer.

So true. Or that the monolith can't fire all of it's weapons in the same turn it uses it's portal.

Or that WBB needs a similar model nearby...

Pft, I have to keep reminding people that Necrons don't lose WWB to AP 1 & 2 weapons.

Some new 'news' (nothing too new really).

Heard from a friend, from a friend that works at GW, from a friend that works at GW cooperate etc....

Anyway, this GW exec has physically seen the molds for the Trygon so production is in the works and they expect to have it ready to be released by Christmas. In addition to the release of the Trygon they expect to have a codex accompanying it. So if everything goes according to plan then we will see nids in december.

...IF everything goes according to plan.....

From April, to February, to now December eh? What do you expect us to believe? You realize this isn't that 'other' 40k site, right?

Axyl wrote:So if everything goes according to plan then we will see nids in december.

Not a chance. Games Workshop chooses not to do releases in December. After Space Wolves, the next 40K Codex is in January or February, at the earliest, and I would suggest it highly improbable that they would release a Trygon with the Codex. Like with the Stompa, it would be something that would be done as a separate, Apocalypse release.

The Trygon looks to be complete, as far as anyone can tell from the pictures circulating a few months back. GW doesn't do December releases but I'd expect the Trygon to come out when the Codex does to drive sales.

Elric of Grans wrote:

Axyl wrote:So if everything goes according to plan then we will see nids in december.

Not a chance. Games Workshop chooses not to do releases in December. After Space Wolves, the next 40K Codex is in January or February, at the earliest, and I would suggest it highly improbable that they would release a Trygon with the Codex. Like with the Stompa, it would be something that would be done as a separate, Apocalypse release.

You're assuming the Trygon remains an Apocabeastie.

I wouldn't be surprised if, like the Valk, he gets some normal 40k rules; something in the Land Raider price range, but still with his tunnelling rules (providing the closest thing 'nids will ever get to a transport).

I'd buy that for a dollar!