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Demogerg wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

kaptaink wrote:
BAAWW CHEESE
Hopefully you can beat Jacob Wolves and be "SUPER BADASS" drinking blood and stuff. YAWN.
BAAAWWWW CHEESE

HOLY DEEP STRIKING DONGCOPTERS BATMAN

Its team Jacob vs team Edward between the last two marine codexs.

I just caught that reference, and now I want to vomit.

Me too. I feel dirty.

Does this make st celestine bella?

HERESY of the highest magnitude


excuse me whilst I ralph on my Inquisitorial rug

Demogerg wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

kaptaink wrote:
BAAWW CHEESE
Hopefully you can beat Jacob Wolves and be "SUPER BADASS" drinking blood and stuff. YAWN.
BAAAWWWW CHEESE

HOLY DEEP STRIKING DONGCOPTERS BATMAN

Its team Jacob vs team Edward between the last two marine codexs.

I just caught that reference, and now I want to vomit.

HAHAHA, everyone does man, everyone does.

Secretly GW is run by 16 year old girls with Twilight posters all over their offices.




On a serious note about this codex, it looks like they are really trying to go with some stuff that Marines haven't ever had, MC's and heavy skimmers. I think it's a great idea it just sucks in execution when they don't pace themselves and drop it all in one codex. With everything happening in this book I can't wait to see what happens with BT and DA.

The only think I think might be OP about the codex isn't Meph or the other special characters but the massive amounts of FNP. That gak gets really, really unkillable when they roll well.

LMAO...

So Seth doesn't have a PW? Lame...

So the reason the Lander has the 2 unit capacity is so it can carry Mephiston or Angel dude with a unit of jump infantry?

Gornall wrote:LMAO...

So Seth doesn't have a PW? Lame...

So the reason the Lander has the 2 unit capacity is so it can carry Mephiston or Angel dude with a unit of jump infantry?

well since it can carry a dread and an infantry squad and not 2 infantry squads this doesnt work. But dropping a furioso and mephiston on someones face probably wont be too fun for them.

BA's get some really nice melta units. I can see something like a 10 man assault squad with 2 meltas and an infernus pistol with a sang priest with an inferno pistol in a drop pod. It comes down and you can combat squad into 2 meltas and 2 infernus pistols and hit 2 targets. Also you now have a scoring unit of FNP marines in the enemies lines they have to deal with while the rest of your army bears down on them.

especially if the dred is a furioso librarian. that thing has an 18" threat range if it takes Wings

Grey Templar wrote:especially if the dred is a furioso librarian. that thing has an 18" threat range if it takes Wings

A dread with wings HAHAHAHA

So i guess pigs do fly in the 5th.

it looks like they are really trying to go with some stuff that Marines haven't ever had, MC's and heavy skimmers. I think it's a great idea it just sucks in execution

To me it's starting to seem that BA are the armoured company of the Space Marines. Predators going to two slots and Land Raiders being available for troops units means that you can fill every slot in the force organisation chart except HQ with AV13 and AV14 vehicles. Jump packers, DC, Sanguinary Guard etc don't really enter the picture at all. The tanks get all the attention Outflanking Predators, deep striking Land Raiders and AV13 Furioso Librarians shooting blood lance shots through vehicles when their Drop Pods land. It's interesting atleast.

The only think I think might be OP about the codex isn't Meph or the other special characters but the massive amounts of FNP. That gak gets really, really unkillable when they roll well.

YAY FNP
IVE LOST 1 GAME EVER TO LASH/PLAGUE MARINE/OBLIT RUSH
ITS A CHEAP TRICK

especially if the dred is a furioso librarian. that thing has an 18" threat range if it takes Wings

WHAT FLYING DREADNOUGHTS
BOOO FLYING DREADNOUGHTS
GET IN MY MELTA RANGE FASTER

with the way characters are going i cant wait for the new eldar codex, to see what they will do with the wonder twins


I cant wait to see deep striking land raiders. assuming you cant assault out of it when it lands anyone running multiple raiders is asking to lose every game

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

The only think I think might be OP about the codex isn't Meph or the other special characters but the massive amounts of FNP. That gak gets really, really unkillable when they roll well.

YAY FNP
IVE LOST 1 GAME EVER TO LASH/PLAGUE MARINE/OBLIT RUSH
ITS A CHEAP TRICK

Spoiler:

DOUBLE TOUGHNESS OR POWER WEAPONS KILL IT

especially if the dred is a furioso librarian. that thing has an 18" threat range if it takes Wings

WHAT FLYING DREADNOUGHTS
BOOO FLYING DREADNOUGHTS
GET IN MY MELTA RANGE FASTER

with the way characters are going i cant wait for the new eldar codex, to see what they will do with the wonder twins

Spoiler:

eldrad is now a wraithlord

I cant wait to see deep striking land raiders. assuming you cant assault out of it when it lands anyone running multiple raiders is asking to lose every game

Spoiler:

YAY FIREDRAGONS YAY

Plasma Cannons anyone, one PC shoots a tooled up terminator squad. BAM, 200+pts per shot.

Flying Dreadnoughts shouldn't be that bad. You'll always have a turn to fire at them and AV12 is far from unstoppable.

I thought the Lander rules actually stated 2 units with a capacity of 12 Marines and 1 Dread?

Plasma Cannons anyone, one PC shoots a tooled up terminator squad. BAM, 200+pts per shot.

The only time you ever find a terminator squad bunched up in a nice little circle your plasma cannons will all overheat.
seriously.

I thought the Lander rules actually stated 2 units with a capacity of 12 Marines and 1 Dread?

I heard this to, but have not read the codex.

Im buying those sanguinary guard and painting them up flesh color

Furiosos and Furioso Librarians are AV13.

melta and lance weapons ftw.
or seer council.

AV12 is far from unstoppable.

Furiosos and Furioso Librarians are AV13.

melta and lance weapons ftw.

I think when someone brings ~12 AV13+ vehicles to the table, noone will have enough 'melta and lance weapons'.

Grey Templar wrote:especially if the dred is a furioso librarian. that thing has an 18" threat range if it takes Wings

And can perform Descent of Angels out of the gunship...I've said too much

Therion wrote:

AV12 is far from unstoppable.

Furiosos and Furioso Librarians are AV13.

I'm hearing AV 13 front, AV 12 side. Predators, of course, have AV 11 sides.

Therion wrote:

melta and lance weapons ftw.

I think when someone brings ~12 AV13+ vehicles to the table, noone will have enough 'melta and lance weapons'.

I'm thinking: Cheap (~100)= Two, for pawnage.
Medium (~120)= One, for kicks.

For AV 13 are they actually paying a lot of points for this stuff?

These things better be like 170+pts.

Ironclad is 135pts, and it is hardly broken.

Granted, the libby dread should probably be quite expensive

I think when someone brings ~12 AV13+ vehicles to the table, noone will have enough 'melta and lance weapons'.

They also wont have enough infantry, and like i said a council can wreck multiple dreads. Im not afraid of it.

And whats ~12 av13+ mean?
more then?
less then?
the only time i see a tilde (~) used is in symbolic logic which means not. So logically anytime someone brings more or less then 12 av13 tanks you dont have enough melta or lance weapons

i think the council might worry more about the preferred enemy FNP furious charging assault terminators with the psychic hood backing them up.

And whats ~12 av13+ mean?

In this case it means approximately 12.

Im not afraid of it.

The overall best army currently has roughly 12 AV12 vehicles depending on points limit. If someone can bring an equal amount in AV13 vehicles, you should be afraid, and if you aren't, atleast the guy with the AV12 vehicles will be.

There is no "overall best army" currently.

Meh, if they're dumping all their points in vehicles, I'll just feed them to my broadsides because that means less foot troops which are the only thing Tau are afraid of.

Fetterkey wrote:There is no "overall best army" currently.

I'm afraid if you force every competitive 40K player to declare what he thinks is the overall strongest army in today's metagame, 9 out of 10 will answer IG, whether you like it or not.

Therion wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:There is no "overall best army" currently.

I'm afraid if you force every competitive 40K player to declare what he thinks is the overall strongest army in today's metagame, 9 out of 10 will answer IG, whether you like it or not.

40k doesn't have a stable metagame, so you can't draw sweeping generalizations like that. The Imperial Guard is certainly a strong army but I see nothing to indicate that they are better than any other 5th edition Codex, or even a few of the 3rd or 4th edition Codices.

tokugawa wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Therion wrote:

T6: something monsturous or godly, or non organic.

That's T8. T6 is just a generic billy badass level.

It's just strange Mephiston and Dante have been around for 1K years but they still haven't found a storm shield in the Blood Angels armoury. When Mephiston finally finds one the Chaos gods will die and the universe will implode.

ok then what other marine who is badass has T6? and how many have T5? like none.

Cassius is T6. But his sergeant-like profile...

Wolf-rider marines has T5.

wolf lords are on super badass wolves tho

IronfrontAlex wrote:

tokugawa wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Therion wrote:

T6: something monsturous or godly, or non organic.

That's T8. T6 is just a generic billy badass level.

It's just strange Mephiston and Dante have been around for 1K years but they still haven't found a storm shield in the Blood Angels armoury. When Mephiston finally finds one the Chaos gods will die and the universe will implode.

ok then what other marine who is badass has T6? and how many have T5? like none.

Cassius is T6. But his sergeant-like profile...

Wolf-rider marines has T5.

wolf lords are on super badass wolves tho

No normal SW's can also be on wolves T5. Meph is just a insane individual by far the strongest known to IoM skill/toughness wise imo. So they made him insane in his stats he held off companies of marines in the fluff, half being Blood Angels and half being of the Reborn. Hes GW's version of a vampire so thats what they made just a fact you have to deal with.

Although makes you wonder what would Bulveye's stats be like hahaha.

Therion wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:There is no "overall best army" currently.

I'm afraid if you force every competitive 40K player to declare what he thinks is the overall strongest army in today's metagame, 9 out of 10 will answer IG, whether you like it or not.

I would say Orks are the overall strongest army.
cheap effective troops for scoring and killing most units.
cheap AV14 with the best anti tank non-weapon in the game for busting land raiders and "getting there"
Lootas for eating light/medium transports
Gazzy the roflstomper for killing enemy HQ/deathstars.
Big Mek KFF for a 4+ save on the armies' AV14 make them the toughest vehicles in the game vs static gunlines.

FoeHammer wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

tokugawa wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Therion wrote:

T6: something monsturous or godly, or non organic.

That's T8. T6 is just a generic billy badass level.

It's just strange Mephiston and Dante have been around for 1K years but they still haven't found a storm shield in the Blood Angels armoury. When Mephiston finally finds one the Chaos gods will die and the universe will implode.

ok then what other marine who is badass has T6? and how many have T5? like none.

Cassius is T6. But his sergeant-like profile...

Wolf-rider marines has T5.

wolf lords are on super badass wolves tho

No normal SW's can also be on wolves T5. Meph is just a insane individual by far the strongest known to IoM skill/toughness wise imo. So they made him insane in his stats he held off companies of marines in the fluff, half being Blood Angels and half being of the Reborn. Hes GW's version of a vampire so thats what they made just a fact you have to deal with.

Although makes you wonder what would Bulveye's stats be like hahaha.

I just need a Van Helsing lord then:p or maybe lure mephiston out with a 17 year old highschool girl