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OK, stop insulting each other, stay on topic, or, you know...

Anything with Jes Goodwin's touch of magic will definitely be amazing enough for me to seriously consider it. His ancient Sisters/Eldar sculpts still hold up very well side-by-side with the new stuff (and IMO, his proportions are more realistic).

Phil Kelly is the guy who wrote Space Wolves, so there's potential there. The DoC book was written by Matt Ward, the same guy who wrote the new Blood Angels book.

Whos up for the ritual burning of mat ward and blood angels codexes?

Terminus wrote:

Phil Kelly is the guy who wrote Space Wolves, so there's potential there. The DoC book was written by Matt Ward, the same guy who wrote the new Blood Angels book.

He also wrote the 4th Ed. Eldar and Ork books.

I think Matt did good with the BA dex.

Although no Eldar book would be as good with anybody but Phil.

The worst part is I have been playing Templar for a long time, GK since they came out, DE were my second army back in 3rd Ed.....if they actually update all these codex's by April I will be sooooo friggen broke heheh.. But in all cases its about time for it. I would look forward to an Eldar buff as well. Points wise I am struggling to compete with em but I will focus on DE once they come out.

can some one explain how would you build a seperate sob or gk codex, it would be very incomplete without the extra inquisitor stuff, maybe one big huge codex inquisition would be awsome! it should be like an iquisitors handbook but is really the secret codex to them all! well enough of my dreaming, i have an opinion.

i hate the chaos space marine codex even if ts got ap3 guns! i wanted plasma guns too! csm fluff had died that sad day codex csm 5th edition released...

i dont really care about new sm variants just as long as my ig can kill them

de have got to be the best game wining army with its cheese, but its unappreciated, so maybe the new dex will make them less scary. just maybe



ALSO is it possible we could all gather up ideas on what gw has absolutely F@$%ed and send a angry letter to Nottingham telling them how anoyed we are with some stuff and what would make every thing peachy

i think this idea is amazingly stupidly smart!

A big IQ codex would be difficult to balance, and would have either a big dearth of models (neither the GK nor the Sisters have a lot of variety), or full of random crap units as they try to flesh out 2.5 armies in a single book (they have trouble with just 1).

I'm all for separate, fully-fleshed out Grey Knights (lots of teleporting and psychic powers? Imperial grav tanks and jetbikes?), and Ecclessiarchy books (Sororitas, with all the Ecclessiarchy stuff made not to suck).

As for the Inquisitor (and his retinue, daemonhosts and assassins), they should be a mini-book and be able to be allied to any Imperial army ala old-school Heroes of the Imperium.

physcosamatic wrote:can some one explain how would you build a seperate sob or gk codex...

That's because you're only thinking about it within the confines of how both armies exist now. New units would work wonders.

physcosamatic wrote:can some one explain how would you build a seperate sob or gk codex, it would be very incomplete without the extra inquisitor stuff,

Every single Sisters list that existed before Codex: Witchhunters not only disagrees with you, but also proves you dead wrong.

Somehow I dont think having witch hunter players BEFORE the codex proves anything

People still play squats, kroot and who knows someone might even play space skaven.. The point is they had very very very few units and not much character to them before witch hunters

Im assuming melissa from BOLS is gonna start spamming this thread soon since the SoB battle cry has been called

Kirasu wrote:
Im assuming melissa from BOLS is gonna start spamming this thread soon since the SoB battle cry has been called

Melissia is on B&C as well, and back when I still spent time there she was one of the most insufferable posters around. Regardless, I'd be happy to see plastic Inquisition forces, nomatter the ordos. Of course, if they came out with plastic Arbites I could do a carapace vets army...

"I AM THE LAW!"

I'll be happy to spam in melissia's place .

In all seriousness, We had 2 codecies before WH...The only thing we really lacked was ranged weaponry, and true CC.

Codex: WH addressed both of those, giving us the best tank in 40k, the exorcist, as well as beautiful CC units with horrible rules. Repentia, arco-flagellents, and Penitent Engines.
None of which are inquisitorial units by the way.

Give us Zealots/ Frateris Militia as troops, add in preachers confessors etc. better rules for the CC units, and add a few more Adepta Sororitas units and specializations and there you go.

We do not need your inquisition in our Sisters of Battle/Ecclesiarchy Codex.

We do need lower cost rhinos and immolators (that allow two models to fire out of the upper hatch like every other rhino in the game.), Repressors. Sarissa's equipped on all celestians, and other lovely changes.

And as for the misguided statement that we had no character before C: WH...We were more characterful in many ways, Uriah Jacobs was fully fluffed out in crazy Preacherness, and we had the Easy Bake oven of 2X heavy flamers in an immolator, Retributors never had to dismount move 12" and BURN.

The immolator used to fire two templates for a weaker normal flamer strength, or a single focused flame for heavy flamer strength...the flame...the burning...it was wonderful *tear*

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:Oh noes, the grammar nazis are nerd raging over a you're. Its possible the creator included that in the video for the purposes of trolling somebody

Nah, I'm going with good old ignorance.

VikingScott wrote:Whos up for the ritual burning of mat ward and blood angels codexes?

This made me lol. I'm totally making this my sig

I just want the Dark Eldar book to come out without black text saying "Third Edition" over a white embossing.

Platuan4th wrote:Every single Sisters list that existed before Codex: Witchhunters not only disagrees with you, but also proves you dead wrong.

Every single Witch Hunter player that doesn't own any Sisters doesn't care.

We don't want to lose our armies.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Every single Sisters list that existed before Codex: Witchhunters not only disagrees with you, but also proves you dead wrong.

Every single Witch Hunter player that doesn't own any Sisters doesn't care.

We don't want to lose our armies.

Yeah, all 5 of ya!

I'm not saying that the Inq units shouldn't be in the book, just that his theory that Sisters are a lacking list without them is wrong.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Witch Hunter player that doesn't own any Sisters

There's a difference between "fluffy Inquisition army general" and "monstrously obstinate player desperate to find something to complain about."

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Every single Sisters list that existed before Codex: Witchhunters not only disagrees with you, but also proves you dead wrong.

Every single Witch Hunter player that doesn't own any Sisters doesn't care.

We don't want to lose our armies.

"Losing your army"? What army? Who the hell honestly plays Witch Hunters? Everything in that list that is not Sororitas sucks eggs. Without the Sisters, the Witch Hunters don't really have much else. The only non-Sororitas units in the army are the Inquisitors, Daemonhosts, Assassins, and Arbites. So what are you really losing? A couple of squads of IG stormtroopers, some shoddy transports, and sucky/overpriced HQ and Elites. Yeah, you're REALLY losing a lot.

And in any case, I am absolutely certain Inquisitors and their henchmen won't be phased out (well, maybe the Arbites will be). They don't even need to publish a book, they could just stick the rules in White Dwarf and online as they are doing with Spearhead. It updates the Inquisitors and Assassins, and GW doesn't have to spend any money to print and market a new codex, nor design and market new kits to drive sales.

Are there any hard facts that DE are out this year???

I hope so, but at the same time, hope not.

I've been waiting for the update for so freeking long, but at the same time I want a new army now :(

radiohazard wrote:Are there any hard facts that DE are out this year???

I hope so, but at the same time, hope not.

I've been waiting for the update for so freeking long, but at the same time I want a new army now :(

Yes. It's as though we've forgotten what life is like without needing a Codex update and we're afraid to face that unknown future.

Brother SRM wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
Im assuming melissa from BOLS is gonna start spamming this thread soon since the SoB battle cry has been called

Melissia is on B&C as well, and back when I still spent time there she was one of the most insufferable posters around. Regardless, I'd be happy to see plastic Inquisition forces, nomatter the ordos. Of course, if they came out with plastic Arbites I could do a carapace vets army...

"I AM THE LAW!"

Check dakkas army profiles.
someone has done 1 of these....

candy.man wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Whos up for the ritual burning of mat ward and blood angels codexes?

This made me lol. I'm totally making this my sig

Nice! glad i influenced someone. Could you at least let people know it was that crazy VikingScott though?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Every single Sisters list that existed before Codex: Witchhunters not only disagrees with you, but also proves you dead wrong.

Every single Witch Hunter player that doesn't own any Sisters doesn't care.

We don't want to lose our armies.

I play Witch Hunters without sisters.
Mostly as allies and custom scenarios now though.
1000pts of standerd missions force organisation chart filling goodness that when i used to use it owned a freind csm army (admittedly i think it was just me capitalising on his faults but a win is a win)

Archonate wrote:

radiohazard wrote:Are there any hard facts that DE are out this year???

I hope so, but at the same time, hope not.

I've been waiting for the update for so freeking long, but at the same time I want a new army now :(

Yes. It's as though we've forgotten what life is like without needing a Codex update and we're afraid to face that unknown future.

Well if there is balls to walls hard evidence - where is it???

At this point, where we could be so close to getting a new codex, I wouldn't mind if we took a nerf here and there. I mean ffs, we will have an uptodate ruleset.

Ostrakon wrote:

Bite me.

If you're got nothing better than image macros, then shove off.

Terminus wrote:What army? Who the hell honestly plays Witch Hunters?

Well I do. It would appear VikingScott does too.

Terminus wrote:Everything in that list that is not Sororitas sucks eggs.

And? So? But? Therefore?

What makes you think I have a Witch Hunter/Daemonhunter army for 'power'. Some people don't give two gaks about how 'powerful' a list is. I'm one of 'em. Anyone who plays straight WH or DH is sure to be one of them as well.

Terminus wrote:Without the Sisters, the Witch Hunters don't really have much else.

I do just fine with my squads of Storm Troopers in Valks, my few units of Arbites, Daemonhosts, Archo-Flagellants and the multiple units of Inquisitors I take in every game.

Terminus wrote:Yeah, you're REALLY losing a lot.

Well if they remove Inquisitors, IST's, Daemonhosts, Arbites, and Achos then yeah, I lose my entire army. That's a lot ($$$ wise especially). Considering I have a few thousand points worth.

Terminus wrote:And in any case, I am absolutely certain Inquisitors and their henchmen won't be phased out

No, they'll be Jervised. Inquisitor becomes a single choice - the Ordo means nothing - with a single list of weapon upgrades, a special rule or two, and a 'Generic Henchman' entry which you can give weapons from another generic list.

Yay.




I'm not the kind of person who doesn't want Sisters or GKs to have their own book, or be expanded upon, or to be a 'real' army. I just don't want it at the expense of my army.

1) I also have Inquisition Armies without Sisters and without Grey Knights.

2) STOP with the personal attacks. And insults. And overall general rudeness.

Second, and FINAL, warning now.

Nitpicking here.

Stormtrooper in valks?

Wasnt in my Witchhunter Codex.

And basically playing a niche in a niche codex is opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.

In a tournament. Which you probably wont attend with that army.

If you play with friends, who cares if you use a dated codex?

I mean seriously they cant complain that its OP. So i dont see the issue.

My Inquisition is converted and i love the unsual stuff i can make work well on an inquisitor. I dont play a pure IQ now just to win. I play to for the laughs.
Recently i played a 1000pt game against that tzentch deamon lord thing thats 999pts with 1000pts of IQ. Didnt win but survived and stripped 2 wounds from 9, lost about 150pts in total.
Not everyone is a diehard win at all costs player.

And also stormtroopers in valks? really? sopme update i must have missed.

Voronesh wrote:
And basically playing a niche in a niche codex is opening yourself up to a whole can of worms.
.

Indeed, but surely people can see how a player with such a force would prefer their options, however limited it might be, to remain in the codex.

And yes, I'm sure such players are quite familiar and capable of "counts as" and the like.

As for the Valks. and the like..IMperial Armour books people !

Yes sure.

But less than 10% of the community crying foul that their army might get invalidated. Im saying might, cause were not part of the dev team, and dont know for sure what the new stuff contains.

I understand them (Thats why my Angels of Absolution use the current SM codex after my long hiatus), but its still tiring to have the same argument every time something new comes out.