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Phryxis wrote:The reason this person feels justified (besides being a coward hiding behind the interwebs) being so cruel in his language, is because he's in the grips of religious fervor. Political Correctness is functionally equivalent to a religion at this point, and "racist" is the 2010 version of "blasphemer."

What this person did was in no way "political correctness". It was just an incredibly crude, mean-spirited attack on Spencer (so crude even that the question of it being a fake popped into my mind). Your second statement is mind-boggling in itself, and completely incongruous with the way I see the world.

What this person did was in no way "political correctness". It was just an incredibly crude, mean-spirited attack on Spencer

I'm not saying that "political correctness" is about blaming somebody for their wife's miscarriage... Clearly it's not.

What I'm saying, is that it's a constantly recurring failing of human society that we become overly enamoured with the moral highground of the day, to the point that some amongst us completely lose the plot, and think that no matter what they say or do, they're champions of good if they're striking from the moral highground.

Obviously this incident doesn't resonate with you the way it does with me, but when I read it, it struck a major chord. I was just thinking about how we're allowing the word "racist" to become an open invitation to attack the accused, and then I read this thread.

This guy is attacking Spencer for even ASSOCIATING with somebody who said ONE WORD.

I agree with you, the real problem here is the guy attacking Spencer, but there's nothing to be done about somebody who has lost the plot like that. All we can do is ask ourselves if our society is giving these sorts of people the encouragement they need to verbalize their lunacy, and in this case, I think we are.

We, as a society, constantly model the behavior of attacking people for even the most minor verbal transgressions into the realm of "racism." By modelling this behavior, we teach the morally/intellectually challenged amongst us that finding tenuous links to racism, and attacking people for them, is a positive thing to do.

I would have liked them to do a farewell episode at least.

I understand why they don't and I'm truly sorry that this is the way that 40K radio had to end, but in truth the end had come already to 40K radio and we simply didn't realize it.

in truth the end had come already to 40K radio and we simply didn't realize it.

I'm not really involved enough to know, but this is typically how these things go. You can't really exist on the internet for long without some frothing slow saying something incredibly offensive to you... When that sort of thing causes you to cease operations of a site/podcast/webcast, it's most often just the straw that broke the camel's back, not an artillery shell killing an otherwise healthy camel.

Phryxis wrote: Obviously this incident doesn't resonate with you the way it does with me, but when I read it, it struck a major chord. I was just thinking about how we're allowing the word "racist" to become an open invitation to attack the accused, and then I read this thread.

It's not even just "racist" but that word certain sums up the argument. It's like the new "child molester" accusation. You're guilty until proven innocent, except now it's not even of a physical act. It's Thought Crime at it's worst.

Well, I'm assuming this guy did 40kradio as a side thing, and probably wasn't all that devoted to it. He's very eager to "sell" the show, so he can't have been very interested in it in the first place.

People don't quit doing something they because they love over a couple vague Internet Tough Guy comments from some anonymous douchehat unless they're extremely thin-skinned. Granted, whoever wrote that email was a total dick, but that's nothing worth packing up and quitting the show over.

leejerrum wrote:

I think just removing yourself from the situation is more time and cost effective. If anyone is throwing a tantrum it's the person making the threats and insults.

You actually believe it costs them money to run the show?!!

according to Spencer, it did. that's why they raised the cost of membership to $25 a year. In actuality I think they raised it to pay for their hobby. which I heard is why Phil left.
At one point they had about 500 members on their boards. that equals about $12,500 give or take some. plus they had 6 different sponsors (which may not have provided that much support, I don't know) But there is no way that the podcast and site cost them over $1000 a month. There are tons of other forums and podcasts that have just as many listeners or users, and don't charge fees. Just my $.02

Regardless of all that above, The threats should not have been sent to Spencer, and while I have stopped listening to the podcast due to not being that interested in it anymore, I wish the the best of luck, and the loss of the podcast will be missed in the 40k community. and my prayers go out to his family over their loss.

I can't believe people are giving the guy crap for dropping the show. It's one thing to stand up for your principles but another entirely to risk your family.

What should he do?
Sorry honey I know this guys is causing you pain with insensitive comments about our tragedy and threats to our family but if I give up the show he wins. You have to suffer so I can make a stand.

He is protecting his family. If you have family you should understand.

I'm not telling you how to feel, just that for me my family's safety is important.

hm, i must say this man didn't deserve such a threat but quitting may not have been the best thing to do either. in either case it is a lose lose situation

The tall poppy syndrome continues.

Wonder how many people here would say this drivel to Spencer's face, rather than in a nice safe internet forum.
I bet 100% of you would say the exact opposite. And not because Spencer is a violent man. Just because its much harder to look a man in the eye and be a dick than it is to post random things about him on some internet forum.

If you dont have anything nice to say, dont post anything at all.

I dont think anyone really wants to hear your opinions on whether spencer should have or shouldn't have quit. But I'm sure everybody here knows better, than spencer whats best for his family and his own happiness, right?
People on the internet can be such 'everything experts' it is infuriating.

I can't believe people are giving the guy crap for dropping the show. It's one thing to stand up for your principles but another entirely to risk your family.

I'm not giving him crap, I respect his decision to do whatever he felt was best.

I'm just saying that I don't think he would have given it up if he was still passionate about it. The show had its run, it was waiting for an excuse to get done, and internet lunacy was that excuse.

As far as actual danger, I really don't think there is any. As far as his wife being exposed, she doesn't necessarily have to know what people are saying in stupid-ville. I mean, why show her?

No question, if I thought my family was in danger, I would do what it took to make them safe, but I hope Spencer isn't feeling genuinely fearful, because I don't think he needs to.

Oxfordseth wrote:I can't believe people are giving the guy crap for dropping the show. It's one thing to stand up for your principles but another entirely to risk your family.

What should he do?
Sorry honey I know this guys is causing you pain with insensitive comments about our tragedy and threats to our family but if I give up the show he wins. You have to suffer so I can make a stand.

He is protecting his family. If you have family you should understand.

I'm not telling you how to feel, just that for me my family's safety is important.

If his family were actually at risk, I'd agree with you.

Otherwise, yes! That's exactly what you do in that situation! You stand up to idiotic bullies and persevere, because in reality they'll never make good on their threats. You pull a good ol' Cap monologue.

Phryxis wrote:

in truth the end had come already to 40K radio and we simply didn't realize it.

I'm not really involved enough to know, but this is typically how these things go. You can't really exist on the internet for long without some frothing slow saying something incredibly offensive to you... When that sort of thing causes you to cease operations of a site/podcast/webcast, it's most often just the straw that broke the camel's back, not an artillery shell killing an otherwise healthy camel.

Agreed.

CatPeeler wrote:

Phryxis wrote:

in truth the end had come already to 40K radio and we simply didn't realize it.

I'm not really involved enough to know, but this is typically how these things go. You can't really exist on the internet for long without some frothing slow saying something incredibly offensive to you... When that sort of thing causes you to cease operations of a site/podcast/webcast, it's most often just the straw that broke the camel's back, not an artillery shell killing an otherwise healthy camel.

Agreed.

In my opinion you should always stand up to bigots. I am not sure exactly why the show I loved ended. I do know that its sad that this threatening idiot is going to be attributed with ending it.

If it was me who received that I would have stayed on the air just to show him I can't be bullied. Don't get me wrong I would make sure my family is safe but I would fight the accusations, the threats, and any racism to my last breath.

I am sad that such a phenomenon has ended this way. Spencer will always have my respect for being a trailblazer in this industry. He set the standard for a great podcast and a business plan that would actually let it grow.

40k Radio will be missed by my son and I.

I am sorry to say that I don't really care that 40k radio is gone. I was an avid listener since the beginning (episode 3ish), but think the popularity went to spencers head. When phil was around, the show was high quality and very informative. HobbyU, Third Party Products, and tacticas were all favorites of mine. The current show was a waste of time to listen to. It usually took them an hour to begin the show and read a list of new things i could find in 5 minutes on Bols. In became a stage for them to talk about their hobby activities, which is fine, but not appropriate for a podcast, imo.

Im sorry for spencer and the rest of the 40k radio cast, but I think the show should have been cancelled a long time ago.

I saw this coming awhile ago, I just didn't think it would be in this form. The show has been sliding downhill for around a year. Between all the cussing that everyone (besides Scot) did and then Jar Jar dropping the N bomb, and Spencer's nerdrage rants, the show was beginning to seem more like an audio form of White Dwarf. Not a whole lot of content between a lot of drivel.

I mean they even admit time and time again that the show sucked.

I'm not really surprised about the comments made to him about losing his child either. If everyone remembers the whole whole stelak/BOLS incident a few months back, I believe a member of BOLS made a similar comment to stelak.

Anyway that's neither here nor there. What i'm wondering about is all the money tied up in 40k radio. Between people's Boota subscriptions, sponsorship, hell even the swear jar they were all supposed to be contributing to, there's a lot of money that seems like it might be owed.

I also feel that specer's claim that he suspended Scot and chippley because they didn't play the game to be total BS. So what if they don't play the game, half the pople on this forum or BOLS haven't played a game in six months either. Do professional sports casters play baseball? Does Joe Rogan fight in the UFC? No they're entertainers and reviewers which is exactly what Scot and chippley did. Thats a total cop out. I don't think you need to play the game to tell me that the new BA models are sweet looking. Or that a unit of fully loaded Death Company are going to kick some butt. Its not like it was an in depth tactics show.

I had gotten a bit tired with 40k radio in recent times, mainly because of Spencer's tendency to go off on horribly uninformed rants about various topics. The rather poor handling of the Scott/Chipley affair was just the final straw for me; so I had just dropped the podcast with the second to last episode.
But that's the thing, isn't it? It's a free service (unless you were a freebooter) and you can simply stop downloading it if you're dissatisfied with it.

What I don't get, though: How pathetic do you have to be in order to send such an insulting mail to some dude who just produces a gaming podcast and had to deal with personal loss recently? Mind-boggling.

Eddtheman wrote:I am sorry to say that I don't really care that 40k radio is gone. I was an avid listener since the beginning (episode 3ish), but think the popularity went to spencers head. When phil was around, the show was high quality and very informative. HobbyU, Third Party Products, and tacticas were all favorites of mine. The current show was a waste of time to listen to. It usually took them an hour to begin the show and read a list of new things i could find in 5 minutes on Bols. In became a stage for them to talk about their hobby activities, which is fine, but not appropriate for a podcast, imo.

Im sorry for spencer and the rest of the 40k radio cast, but I think the show should have been cancelled a long time ago.

Yeah, I quit listening myself shortly after Phil departed.

Daggermaw wrote:I'm not really surprised about the comments made to him about losing his child either. If everyone remembers the whole whole stelak/BOLS incident a few months back, I believe a member of BOLS made a similar comment to stelak.

I believe it was jwolf in particular who said it. And it's Stelek.

Our hobby really is a sad one sometimes. I can't believe some of the crap people say and do over toys.

It seems to me that despite talking about karma, his internet stalker has no understanding of it. Such a shame, and its even worse than I can't not comment, making the audience for this kind of behavior even bigger.

Never a listener, but some of my friends were, my mother would stab me if I ever said something like that to somebody, even in poorly formed jest.

Daggermaw wrote:
I'm not really surprised about the comments made to him about losing his child either. If everyone remembers the whole whole stelak/BOLS incident a few months back, I believe a member of BOLS made a similar comment to stelak.

Yep. Spencer even mentioned this on air that after the apology was posted that Stelek should accept it and move on. Sorry, things like that aren't that easily washed under the bridge. Hence why I wondered if the guy apologized for it if Spencer would accept it and carry on.

That was the last episode that I listened to of 40k Radio. The fact it had turned into a ramble/interview cast was beside the point since they did occasionally have something interesting to listen to. I know they had a very close (at the time) relationship with BOLS and the attempts at segments on the show, but that was defending the undefendable regardless of who said it.

I think if Spencer hadn't made such a big deal out of banning Jar Jar at the time in order to try to save VGV as a sponsor, bringing him back now wouldn't be that big of a deal to anyone.

Roleplayer wrote:The tall poppy syndrome continues.

Wonder how many people here would say this drivel to Spencer's face, rather than in a nice safe internet forum.
I bet 100% of you would say the exact opposite. And not because Spencer is a violent man. Just because its much harder to look a man in the eye and be a dick than it is to post random things about him on some internet forum.

If you dont have anything nice to say, dont post anything at all.

I dont think anyone really wants to hear your opinions on whether spencer should have or shouldn't have quit. But I'm sure everybody here knows better, than spencer whats best for his family and his own happiness, right?
People on the internet can be such 'everything experts' it is infuriating.

Unture, on both accounts. I've never made personal attacks on Spencer or any of his hosts. What I have attacked is the quality of his show. Why would I be afraid to say that to his face? If he was a good producer he would welcome criticism. You might not want to hear opinions that don't agree with yours, but thankfully this website doesn't adhere to that kind of censorship.


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Phryxis wrote:

Blasphemers don't get second chances.

I don't know if you meant to, but you've actually hit the nail on the head here.

The reason this person feels justified (besides being a coward hiding behind the interwebs) being so cruel in his language, is because he's in the grips of religious fervor. Political Correctness is functionally equivalent to a religion at this point, and "racist" is the 2010 version of "blasphemer."

We're all 40K players, we know how it works. Purge the heretic. Intolerance is my shield. It's funny that we play a game that is so thickly infused with criticism of this sort of repressive mind control, even as our own High Media Lords of Earth teach that certain words are not to be said, certain thoughts are not to be thought, and any who defy this are no longer worthy of basic human dignity.

This is the price we pay for tolerating political correctness. This is the fallout we experience for allowing anybody to try to control what others say or think, whether we agree with what they're saying or thinking or not.

Are these the arguments racism apologists are using these days? Don't be intolerant of my intolerance?

I tried listening to one of their episodes. They talked more about their lives than 40k. It seemed like they wanted their listeners know what other gamers thought by using the things they say about they themselves as an example.

It was very lame listening to grown men speak like high school kids crazed about last night's football game. I only listened through 1 episode when I had enough. It wasn't about 40k. It was about their lives and how immature they can get on their show and only a few mentioning words about 40k.

Thats really terrible.

todeswind wrote:Like Spencer or hate him, sending him e-mails threatening his family and blaming him for his wife's miscarriage is not cool.

Agreed. Those people are worthless trash.

I stopped listening when Phil left and the show became less about the actual game. Its still sad to me, since I was the 5th person to join the Freebooters and actually won their first contest. Good memories listening.

I listen to the D6G now. Just enough of a 40K fix.

Mez

I never liked 40k Radio I thought it was vulgar and frankly a little too arrogant but it's like my dear mum always said "If it ain't your cup if tea don't f**king drink it."

And there is never an excuse to for bringing up the loss of a child under any circumstances. Totally uncalled for.

Oxfordseth wrote:I can't believe people are giving the guy crap for dropping the show. It's one thing to stand up for your principles but another entirely to risk your family.

What should he do?
Sorry honey I know this guys is causing you pain with insensitive comments about our tragedy and threats to our family but if I give up the show he wins. You have to suffer so I can make a stand.

He is protecting his family. If you have family you should understand.

I'm not telling you how to feel, just that for me my family's safety is important.

She has to suffer?

It was one dumbass that said a negative comment on the fething INTERNET.

Spencer has a thin-hide at this moment because of his incident. Don't go saying his wife is suffering because someone insulted her on the internet, where 9 year old kids are 18 year old women.

the internet can be such a violent and sad place.

i mean bringing someone dead child into it is downright disrespectful

evilsponge wrote:Are these the arguments racism apologists are using these days? Don't be intolerant of my intolerance?

He said one word, one time. This is all it takes to make one a racist?

I've said "the N-word" before, too. Without knowing anything at all about the context in which it was used, would you say I'm a racist too?

Sidstyler wrote:

evilsponge wrote:Are these the arguments racism apologists are using these days? Don't be intolerant of my intolerance?

He said one word, one time. This is all it takes to make one a racist?

I've said "the N-word" before, too. Without knowing anything at all about the context in which it was used, would you say I'm a racist too?

Uh, yeah, I would. A person who uses that word is more likely racist than not. Even if you're using it jokingly, it's still an obvious and well-known racial epithet.