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Phazael wrote:

Spore Pods that are tank shocked must Death or Glory, since they are unable to move out of the way.

Doesn't that go directly against GW's ruling in their FAQ?

On the subject of FAQ or no FAQ, Kevin has perfectly expressed my thoughts on the subject.

I have no doubt this will be a great event, but a comprehensive FAQ reduces the chances/instances of drama & misunderstandings.

yakface wrote:

Phazael wrote:

Spore Pods that are tank shocked must Death or Glory, since they are unable to move out of the way.

Doesn't that go directly against GW's ruling in their FAQ?

All the GW faq says is that other models that make things move can move it, not requiring the model itself to move. The Mawlock (and a deep striking monolith) push models out of the way. Ducking a tank shock requires voluntary movement on the part of the tank shocked model. Its a subtle difference, but different none the less.

I imagine that the Nid faq is going to have to be redone at some point, since some of the rulings are so completely assinine, so I expect there will be some clarification on this matter.

@Phazeal - Poor ruling at best. Doesn't make sense, and just makes Spore Pods die too easy, imo.

To Land Raiders, perhaps. Its a coin flip for just about any other vehicle. But then, a 250 point tank should roll over a 40 point model.

Phazael wrote:Since Shadows does not affect an embarked psycher, then it follows that Runes of Warding, Psychic Hoods, and the Runepriest Staff will also not affect models embarked in transports. Its a stupid ruling by GW, but if the sword cuts both ways until GW explicitly states otherwise.

Given this ruling, what about the opposite? Do anti-psychic abilities/items that are embarked in a vehicle affect the rest of the field? Does it matter if the vehicle in question has a fire point?

They specifically let you use psychic abilities from within a closed vehicle. So, for the purposes of the september event, hoods work while embarked. Things that confer a psychic save to a unit do not (e.g. GKs and SoBs) extend to the transport, however.


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22 paid atm for September for 40k.

Phazael wrote:

All the GW faq says is that other models that make things move can move it, not requiring the model itself to move. The Mawlock (and a deep striking monolith) push models out of the way. Ducking a tank shock requires voluntary movement on the part of the tank shocked model. Its a subtle difference, but different none the less.

There is no difference. In order for a move to be voluntary the model must have the CHOICE of whether to move or not...that's what 'voluntary' means. In the case of a Tank Shock:

"If some enemy models in the enemy unit would end up underneath the vehicle when it reaches its final position (if makes no difference whether the unit if falling back or not), these models must be moved out of the way by the shortest distance, leaving at least 1" between them and the vehicle and maintaining unit coherency."


The fact that the rule says the models MUST be moved out of the way means that this cannot possibly be considered 'voluntary' movement.


And more to the point, this wording is pretty much identical to the Mawloc rule:

"If any unit still has surviving models under the template, move that unit by the minimum distance necessary to clear all models from beneath the template whilst maintaining squad coherency and avoiding impassable terrain."


So what exactly is the distinction between the two that you're seeing?

I think I'm gonna run Nipple-Wing at this. Though mine will be robed so I'm not sure I can call it that. But the Flying Bathrobe Brigade sounds to long....

I think I'm going to run...Tau, since I've painted nothing since saying I would start painting up a storm, sigh. I really need to at least get in a couple practice games before the event to prepare myself for how badly I'm going to lose.

I am currently focussed on our fantasy GT at the moment (SoCal Slaughter, this weekend), but I had some time to double check my packets for the Smackdown. I think, given the relatively simple scenarios, most of which are objective/mobility oriented, Tau and Eldar armies can do descently. The second mission is probably the roughest one for those armies.

Also, the Warbands tournament packet is up now:
www.scgwl.com/downloads/GT/SSDWarbands.pdf
If you are bored friday night and have 750 points of models you want to toss down, its a free event to people with a Convention pass.


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@Yak- The difference is that a model being moved by a Mawlock has zero choice or options in the matter; it is physically getting pushed out of the way. A model being tank shocked can choose to stand and death or glory (resulting in either the stopping of the vehicle or the removal of the model), as an option to moving out of the path of the model.

Consider that interpretting this otherwise would let people do stupid stuff like Lash Spore pods all over, and the like.

I think mission 2 is brutal for Tau, and mission 3 is almost as bad for similar reasons. We'll see, I definitely don't want to start a discussion on whether or not the missions are "fair", I think they're fine.

Warbands sounds fun, but I barely know the rules to 8th edition at this point so I'll probably skip it

Depends on how meched up you are (most Tau I know mech up a lot) I guess, since you can deny mobility to most armies with your firepower and move around better, Eldar style. But I can see clasic gunline Tau struggling with mission three.

So 26 40k guys. Get signed up and support the new format so it stays!

I'm gonna be there with Nids. Decided that playing marines bored me and the wife asked about why my ugly bugs hadn't been played lately So now I gotta get about 50 new models painted up but it'll be totally worth it. See you guys there!

I have soooo much stuff to paint.

Man, I should just chain myself to my desk to get it all done.

Hire someone with a whip to stand over. It's worked for me before

Hulksmash wrote:Hire someone with a whip to stand over. It's worked for me before

Too much information, Hulk.

There is no such thing as to much information.....unless it's about old people

Hire someone with a whip to stand over. It's worked for me before.

Yeah, but I usually do that sort of thing for free, ya know?

Hulksmash wrote:Marry someone with a whip to stand over. It's worked for me before

There.. Fixed that for you (My wife keeps me in line too).

Well played grimgob! You gonna be there?

I will be there or i'm planning on it (cant buy ticket till next weekend... hope they'll have some left). If you want to get any games in with the missions you know my local haunt (I also got a table at my house which isnt to far from beach and imp hwy.).

Whips and chains don't exactly make me think of painting!

I need to get on it as I really want to get my Golden Ticket, dang it!

@Grimgob

maybe next week? pm me and we'll figure it out. And they still have a decent amount of space due to a low fantasy turnout so far. Which means more space for 40k. I've got another buddy who's signing up as well which means we should clear 30 people which is nice with only 2 months warning

Ok two days out. 40k looks like its going to break the 30 barrier, but thats fine. Thanks to low Fantasy turnout (probably burnout from our last GT two weeks ago) there should be more than enough room to handle walk ins, all the way to 50 if we have to. I am going to hold 5 tables for Fantasy no matter what occurs, but its first come first served.
~Q

Hulksmash wrote:I think I'm gonna run Nipple-Wing at this. Though mine will be robed so I'm not sure I can call it that. But the Flying Bathrobe Brigade sounds to long....

I think I would go with the Flying Bathrobe Bridage, it gives them a certain flair or distinction.

See y'all tomorrow night!

Who's staying in the hotel? Sazzlefrats & I are there.

The tournament isn't until Saturday, right?

Reece and I are driving up friday afternoon, staying at the Anahiem Hilton.
And Hulk...I put the girls away and plan to bring a Codex/Lysander Marine list.

Best of luck everyone; wish I could come.


Don't let Hulksmash win!!