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YEAGHHHHHHHHHHHH DA' MARINES FOR TA' WIN

love the mark III models

the boarding vehhicale looked okay - but i dont see me using it

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I suppose it has to be said...

(SNIP!)

I guess we all should have seen that one... approaching.

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Marines do have a few (!) exclusive vehicles.

You'll have to remain content with Exorcists and the like...

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Yep, go for it!

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Inquisition on the other hand...

Well, I don't play Inquisition.

But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

Melissia wrote:
But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

well, looky here, we've got a lil' miss vandire on our hands! remember, it's a slippery slope from daughter to bride of the emperor once you start giving the ecclesiarchy naval assets! joking!

i could see them using naval assets (especially at the order of a witch hunter inquisitor) but i'd personally be too tempted to paint the thing black and start putting organs and fleur de li's on it if i were an SOB player. (and, yes, i know organs don't work in space! lol)

warboss wrote:

Melissia wrote:
But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

well, looky here, we've got a lil' miss vandire on our hands! remember, it's a slippery slope from daughter to bride of the emperor once you start giving the ecclesiarchy naval assets! joking!

i could see them using naval assets (especially at the order of a witch hunter inquisitor) but i'd personally be too tempted to paint the thing black and start putting organs and fleur de li's on it if i were an SOB player. (and, yes, i know organs don't work in space! lol)

Classic!

And no, no naval assets for them - no no!

Of course, in the freedom of our own basements, LGS, etc, anything goes - but the Strict Adherents To Fluff would not dream of such things, even then!

Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

WArboss: Consideirng far fewer Sisters have turned to chaos than Marines (Even just percentage-wise) even if you only count the time since the Adepta Sororitas was officially formed, I doubt there's that much of a chance of that happening.

Also, to bring this back on topic, I just like how the Caestus looks. It almost looks... Orky. Actually it'd make good conversion fodder for an Ork craft, too... or a battlewagon. So all three of my armies might be able to use this, if I get the money to get one (cripes that's expensive). How big is it, IE what kind of base does it use?

edit: Herpaderp... I didn't look at the third pic. It's as big as a land raider, I can work with that.

Well battlefleet gothic, in the specialist games stuff there were pictures of sister of battle ships and black library I believe has also depicted their ships. Even still I just don't believe Sister of Battle utilize the same types of ships. It doesn't really fit their modus operandi. Things can always be ret-conned or written as special use, but as it is, SoB are not shock troops, while marines are. Things like drop pods and specialized boarding craft would fall into the domain of equipment for shock troops.

Sisters of Battle, like the IG, use larger landing craft when they land on a planet and engage predominantly in ship to ship boarding actions. Thus I think its a bit contrary to how they operate that they'd keep them on hand.

If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Certainly enough to give them an orbital lander like the Caestus at any rate.

Melissia wrote:Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

OK, good point and fair enough, but I now reserve the right to use the "lack of evidence" against card in my next debate with you!


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Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Sisters are more in line with the definition of Shock Troops than Marines?

Really?

They may fit the bill of 'shock troops' but I think Space Marines are at the head of that line!

Go ahead, it's not like I haven't already played against someone who purchased an exorcist and asked if he could use it as a Space Marine vehicle (and by that, I mean he converted it with symbols of his chapter instead of the fleur, and then wanted to use its rules from C:WH in his C:SM army) I'm not as picky as some people about houseruled units.

I could see the sisters keeping a small number of ship to ship boarding vessels. though they probably wouldn't get used that often.

For instance if they find out about a cult on a valuble space station or ship, they wouldn't want to blow it up and the traitors aren't exactly just going to let them board by shuttle so they would need a couple of boarding craft to break in.

I have the impression that Sisters sometimes deploy from Black Ships, but I don't know where I got that idea from. Maybe an old 40K comic or something... anyhow, wiki 40k has this for what its worth:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ordo_Hereticus

I think Bits and kits will have the Mk III bits soon.

Im diggin that vehicle. If I hadnt already converted some stormravens, I would make that my stormravens. It looks SM like, big, blocky, etc.

Father Gabe wrote:Im diggin that vehicle. If I hadnt already converted some stormravens, I would make that my stormravens. It looks SM like, big, blocky, etc.

Is it the right size for a storm raven? It's about the size of a Land Raider.

You'd have to convert the proper weapons onto it, but it'd be hella better than all these valkyrie conversions I see.

It was model bits that said they will be getting the Mk III my bad.


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Hi derina



Recently you may have noticed a survey that popped on the site. The results of that survey indicated that you wanted more than just 40K and Fantasy. One of the main requests was for Forgeworld bits as you said that they're more difficult to get hold of and so I am considering stocking a few select parts to see if they sell well.



I was thinking of starting with the Space Marine MKIII Iron Armour kit when it's released later this month which can be found here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/MK-III-IRON-ARMOUR.html

As there are no discounts and they might be difficult to keep restocked they would understandably command a certain price premium over standard GW bits so I've set out below what I would need to price them at in order to make them an effective part of the range of products on offer:

Arms (Pair) £1.50
Back Packs £1.50
Bodies £1.50
Heads £1.50
Legs £2.00
Shoulder Pad (Each) £1.00

I'd very much like to hear what you think of these prices. Are they too high, too low? About right? Let me know, your feedback is really important and helps me tailor my products to the things you need :-)



Regards, Matt

www.modelbits.co.uk

Melissia wrote:Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

They get from planet to planet using Imperial Navy transports. The Ecclesiarchy is forbidden to possess its own fleet by the Decree Passive.

Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Certainly enough to give them an orbital lander like the Caestus at any rate.

Sisters of Battle are the indoctrinated line troops of the religious sect of the Imperium and the main para-militant force of the Ordo Hereticus. They are not within the military hierarchy, nor can the assert command like Space Marines can, that ability lies with an Inquisitor. They lack both rules wise and fluff wise an insertional capability that would put them at the forefront of larger formations, thiis necessary to defining them as shock troop; thus they are not. The "first in" nature of the Space Marines has always been a component who they are, so it goes without say that they are shock troops. In the fluff marines are noted as operating in the smaller better equiped teams necessary to properly engage in boarding actions from boarding craft, SoB are not.

The SoB could always be reinvented as having those abilities to reclassify them as shock troops, but till then its your wishful thinking that any and all militant forces can have a particular ability.

SoB utilize the same type of landers the IG use, the very large company sized landers, that enable them to land their mobile cathedrals and less space drop worthy vehicles. While its described as a lander the Caestus is more a boarding vehicle with a ramming capability. That isn't what SoB do, they'd be better off with a variant of Valkyrie or a bulkier Arvus type vehicle that can transport 20 SoB.

Please take all background type posts over to the...Background section!

We're all guilty of OT here - but time to move it to the right place!

Off topic:

Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

They are the mop up crew. They go around and purify the area after the battle has moved on.

On topic:

I find it dissapointing that while FW does larger scale Eldar avatars and othe such models, they seem unwilling to tackle the concept of true scale SMs. SMs that are actually a third taller and larger than the average IG model.

Ad for the The Caestus. It seems a little OP for the cost but I like the model. Only real problem I have is with the unfortunate name.(Hint, drop the a out of the name and think of the jokes that will be made.

focusedfire wrote:Ad for the The Caestus. It seems a little OP for the cost but I like the model. Only real problem I have is with the unfortunate name.(Hint, drop the a out of the name and think of the jokes that will be made.

a leather sometimes weighted boxing glove for roman gladiators? i think the reference is appropriate for something that is meant to smash bluntly into a larger object (like a cestus-armed fist with another gladiator's face).

Will do...

I'm just happy to see FW do what it should have been doing for a while. These types of addon bits and specialized kits are really the best utilization of the smaller run size capabilities of the resin casting production method. I just hope they're willing to move past marines. I love marines, but seeing more for other factions would be great. I think this is a great way to continue to grow FW accessibility while maintaining its prestige status.

Earlier there was all the talk about splitting up the weapons from the marines. In an ideal world you could have it both ways, I don't think its necessarily an option for FW. Lumping all the parts together or having them separate... its a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Its convenient to some if they're lumped together but its also convenient to others that they aren't. The group that is less catered to seems to be complaining, presumably because they feel if they didn't have to *click* "add to cart" as often it might be cheaper.

focusedfire wrote:I find it dissapointing that while FW does larger scale Eldar avatars and othe such models, they seem unwilling to tackle the concept of true scale SMs. SMs that are actually a third taller and larger than the average IG model.

They did an avatar and I think its one of their best models.

True scale is in the eye of the beholder... marines aren't out of scale, Imperial Guards and average humans are (to a degree)... other than that you're insisting that a game maker who's aesthetic is based on distorted proportions abandon its characteristic "style." If you look at the Assassins and Sisters of Battle, they are closer to the appropriate relative scale to marines. Then you get into the subjective portion, where marines height fluff wise varies from 7-8ft... placing the models at 32-35mm in height. Most plastic marine models are about 30mm and would easily make up the other two if they stood straight and not in "battle" poses.

Also I'm pretty sure "Caestus" is just the more antiquated spelling.

Everthing looks nice overall.

Actually my Battle Sister models are taller than Astartes models. Which is reaaaaally inappropriate as in the fluff they'd be about two to three feet shorter (assuming that the height of the average female in the Imperium is similar to the height of the average female in modern times).

Melissia wrote:Actually my Battle Sister models are taller than Astartes models. Which is reaaaaally inappropriate as in the fluff they'd be about two to three feet shorter (assuming that the height of the average female in the Imperium is similar to the height of the average female in modern times).

But why assume that? Surely with a million worlds out there and high-end genetic and drug treatments available for the elite there's no reason someone can't create an army of 7' amazonian battle sisters.

That's why a lot of the fluff arguements are just pointless, if I want an army of 5' tall marines a head shorter than Cadians (which my RT plastics are) then so be it.

Err, what? Fluff discussions aren't silly. Fluff discussions based off of the models are silly. Neither the size of the models nor the size of the battlefield are directly representative of anything in the fluff.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's why a lot of the fluff arguements are just pointless, if I want an army of 5' tall marines a head shorter than Cadians (which my RT plastics are) then so be it.

Melissia wrote:Err, what? Fluff discussions aren't silly. Fluff discussions based off of the models are silly. Neither the size of the models nor the size of the battlefield are directly representative of anything in the fluff.

Talk about splitting hairs? How are the models and fluff not related? They are all 40k any way you slice it. GW can make the fluff and models whatever they want, hence, Fluff arguments are pointless.

You may not care for it, but the fluff is sole reason 40k doesn't suck for me. The game is shoddy, the models are mostly crappy (although I like some of the newer ones, like the Manticore and the Caestus), painting is a chore that I don't enjoy, games workshop itself seems like a trainwreck in slow motion, and so on and so forth. Fluff is king, queen, jack, ace, and ten, and they're all the same suite.

Melissia wrote:You may not care for it, but the fluff is sole reason 40k doesn't suck for me.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that I didn't care for the fluff.