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Well done to Team USA, I think that's a really good showing for a first time out.

Agree that it will be great to read battle reports on this....will be interesting to see how this compares with our tournaments in the States.

Are their lists actually posted somewhere?

Yeah, the lists were commented by Stelek.
Goto YTTH. You'll find all lists there.
But you're going to be disappointed.

Congratulations to team USA!

They are also posted in the previous ETC thread here on Dakka. So is almost every other teams I believe.

I can't help but think of how many bad jokes come from being beaten by the Polish at wargames

Army lists of Poland, Germany, and Spain. Notes by Stelek (sorry, not removed).

POLAND

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Eldars
Krzysztof Radzki "Raca"

HQ1 : Avatar = 155 pts;
HQ2 : Farseer (55) with Runes of Warding (15), Runes of Witnessing (10), Spirit Stones (20), Singing Spear (3), Guide (20), Doom (25), Fortune (30) = 178;

Elite 1 : Harlequins(6 x 18) Kiss(5 x 4), Shadow Seer (52), Death Jester (28) = 208;
Elite 2 : Harlequins(7 x 18) Kiss(6 x 4), Shadow Seer (52), Death Jester (28) = 230;
Elite 3 : Fire Dragons (5 x 16) = 80;

Troops 1 : Guardians (10 x Cool with Bright Lance (30) = 110
Troops 2 : Guardians (10 x Cool with Bright Lance (30) = 110
Troops 3 : Jet bikes (3 x 22) with Shuriken Cannon (10) = 76
Troops 4 : Jet bikes (3 x 22) with Shuriken Cannon (10) = 76

HS1: Falcon (115) with Holo-Field (35), Spirit Stones (10), Bright Lance (30) = 190;
HS2: Wraith lord (100) with Bright Lance (30) ,Missile Launcher (25), 2*Flamer (0) = 155;
HS3: War Walker (3 x 30) with Scatter Lasers (6 x 15) = 180;
Total: 1748

Editor's Notes: Well anyway, it's a Eldratar list. Is this a list that's supposed to draw? Or beat face? Or just get beaten? Avatar is a weak spot. So is the Wraithlord and the War Walkers. When that stuff dies, and your fearless infantry get shot to pieces...or just assaulted and run off the board, I wonder if we are all playing the same game sometime.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Chaos Space Marines
Mariusz "Marios" Krakowczyk

HQ1 : Deamon Prince(110): Wings(20), Mark of Slaanesh(5), Lash of Submission(20) [Total 155]
HQ2 : Deamon Prince(110): Wings(20), Mark of Slaanesh(5), Lash of Submission(20) [Total 155]

Elite1 : 3 Chaos Terminators(30): Reaper Autocannon(25), 2 Combi-Plasma(2*5) in Transport 1 [Total 125]

Troop 1 : 5 Plague Marines(23): 2 Meltaguns (2*10) in Transport 2 [Total 135]
Troop 2 : 5 Plague Marines(23): 2 Meltaguns (2*10), Personal Icon (5) in Transport 3 [Total 140]
Troop 3 : 5 Chaos Space Marines(15) [Total 75]

HS1: 3 Obliterators(75) [Total 225]
HS2: 3 Obliterators(75) [Total 225]
HS3: 3 Obliterators(75) [Total 225]

Transport1 : Land Raider(220) for Elite 1 [Total 220]
Transport2 : Chaos Rhino(35) for Troop 1 [Total 35]
Transport3 : Chaos Rhino(35) for Troop 2 [Total 35]

[Total Army Cost: 1750]

Editor's Notes: Same gak, different day. So, you suicide your troops to pop open transports. Then lose. Great.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : codex Wich Hunters + IG ally,
Kamil Jasak "Miszczu"

HQ1 :Inquisitor Lord (45) Psychic Hood (20) Excrutiators (5)
Retinue: 3x Worrior with melta (60), transport1 [130]

HQ2: Canonness (45) Mantle of Ophelia (15) Book of St.Lucius(5) Cloak of St. Aspira(20) Jump pack (20) Eviscerator (25) Litanies of Faith (25) [155]

HQ3: Priest (40) Eviscerator (25) [65] - go to troops1!

Troop 1 : 10xBattle sister (110) Flamer (6) H.Flamer (12) Veteran Superrior (14) Eviscerator (25) Brazier (10) Book of St.Lucius(5) [182]

Troop 2 : 10xBattle sister (110) Flamer (6) H.Flamer (12) Veteran Superrior (14) Eviscerator (25) Brazier (10) Book of St.Lucius(5) [182]

Troop 3 : IG Comand squad (30) 4x melta (40), transport2 [70]
+ 10xguardsmen (50) lasscanon (20), transport3 [70]
+ 10xguardsmen (50) lasscanon (20), transport4 [70]

HS1: Exorcist (135) Seearchlihht(1) [136]
HS2: Exorcist (135) Seearchlihht(1) [136]
HS3: Exorcist (135) [135]

Transport1 :Land rider (250) Smoke Launchers (3) Seearchlihht(1) [254]
Transport2 :Chimera (55) H.flamer[0] [55]
Transport3 :Chimera (55) H.flamer[0] [55]
Transport4 :Chimera (55) H.flamer[0] [55]

Editor's Notes: Flying Nun. A battle sister squad equipped for CC, coming out of a Inquisitor's Land Raider? What? Oh, this is a serious competitive list. Right then. And I'm the Queen of Scots.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Space wolves
Krzysztof "Evil" Białek

HQ2 : Wolf Lord, Runic Armour (20), Thunderwolf Mount (45), Wolftooth Neclkace (10), Wolftail Talisman (5), Saga of the Majesty (15), Power Fist (25), Storm Shield (30) - Total 250

HQ2 : Wolf Lord, Runic Armour (20), Thunderwolf Mount (45), Wolftooth Necklace (10), Wolftail Talisman (5), Saga of the Warrior Born (35), Frost Blade (25), Storm Shield (30) - Total 270

HQ3 : Rune Priest, Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning, Chooser of the Slain (10) - Total 110

HQ3 : Rune Priest, Murderous Huricane, Living Lightning, Chooser of the Slain (10), Bolter - Total 110

Elite1 : 5 Wolf Guard (18), 2 x Power Fist (20), 2 x Combi Melta (5), TDA (15), Cyclon Missile Launcher (30) - Total 185

Troop 1 : 7 Grey Hunters (15), Wolf Standard (10), Melta Gun (5) - Total 120, Transport 1
Troop 2 : 7 Grey Hunters (15), Wolf Standard (10), Melta Gun (5) - Total 120, Transport 2
Troop 3 : 5 Grey Hunters (15), Flamer (0) - Total 75

FA1: 10 Fenrisian Wolves (Cool - Total 80

HS1: 5 Long Fangs (15), 4 x Missile Launcher (10) - Total 115
HS1: 5 Long Fangs (15), 4 x Missile Launcher (10) - Total 115
HS1: 5 Long Fangs (15), 4 x Missile Launcher (10) - Total 115

Transport1 : Rhino (35), Dozer Blade (5) - Total 40, Troops 1
Transport2 : Rhino (35), Dozer Blade (5) - Total 40, Troops 2


Editor's Notes: Holy crap. An actual competitive list. Only 1 mistake. That 2nd Rune Priest. Give it up, and give the Wolf Lords some self-dogs + more dogs for that wolf unit. They aren't hard to torrent away. And what's with all the dozer blades? Who goes into terrain? =/

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Tyranids
Marcin Budzinski

HQ1: Tervigon (160), Catalyst (15), Cluster Spines (0) 175

Elite 1 : 3 Hive Guards 150
Elite 2 : 3 Hive Guards 150
Elite 3 : 3 Hive Guards 150

Troop 1 : Tervigon (160), Catalyst (15), Cluster Spines (0) 175
Troop 2 : 10 Termagants ( 10*5 ) 50
Troop 3 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) 280
Troop 4 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) 280
Troop 5 : 20 Genestealers (20*14), toxin sacs ( 20*3) 340

Editor's Notes: Well, it was fine right to the 60 Genestealers. Please delete those and buy real Tyranids that match this list.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : IG
Jakub Wichrowski "Skark"

HQ1: CCS 4 x melta, fist 105 in Transport1
HQ2: CCS 4 x melta, fist 105 in Transport2
T1: PCS 4 x flamers 50 in Transport3
T2: PCS 4 x flamers 50 in Transport4
T3: Inf Sq lascannon 70
T4: Inf Sq lascannon 70
T5: Inf Sq lascannon 70
T6: Inf Sq autocannon 60
E1: 6 Psykers 80
F1: Vendetta 130
F2: Vendetta 130
H1: 3 hydras 225
H2: 3 hydras 225
H3: manticore 160
Transport1: Chimera 55
Transport1: Chimera HF 55
Transport1: Chimera 55
Transport1: Chimera 55

Editor's Notes: CCS with fist is CCS with fail. Why are there no autocannon HW teams? Do people honestly believe lascannons in infantry squads kill anything reliably that isn't AV10 or 11? Well, they don't. Bring autocannons instead. What the hell is with the single Manticores? Is this more rtard blower crap ideas spreading like a virus? Sigh. Run another squadron of Hydras (so 3x2) and pick up some IST's to get in your Vendettas. Only a few mistakes, but they can be fixed.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : BA
Emanuel Furmańczyk "Eman"

Hq1: Librarian, Pack, Lance, Unleash Rage - 125;
Hq2: Chaplain 100;
H1: Pred Auto/Las - 135;
H2: Pred Auto/Las - 135;
H3: Pred Auto/Las - 135;
E1: 7 DC, 1xFist, 3 Power Weapon 210; Transport 1
E2: Priest Pack Claw 90;
T1: 10 Assault Sq Packs Fist 2xMelta - 235;
T2: 5 Assault Sq Flamer 120 Transport 2
T3: 5 Assault Fist/Melta 150 Transport 3
Transport 1: Land Rider MMelta, EA - 275;
Transport 2: Razor Las/Twin-Plasma 40
Transport 3: Rhino 0

Editor's Notes: Seriously, you bought an assault squad but did not buy a transport for them? I don't even get this list. If you focus on maximum anti-tank firepower, how do you kill masses of infantry? I assure you, hordes WILL find a way to kill marines. Sigh, it just won't work.

ARMY DESCRIPTION : Orks
Jakub Podruczny "Vladdi"

Hq:1 Warboss Fist, Mega-armour, Cybork Body, Bosspole 115
Hq2: Big Mek Kustom Force Field 85
E1: 3 Mega Nobz, Combi scorcha, Combi Rokita 130 in Transport 1
E2: 3 Mega Nobz, Combi scorcha, Combi Rokita 130 in Transport 2
T1: 3 Mega Nobz, Combi scorcha, Combi Rokita 130 in Transport 3
T2: 19 boyz, incl Nob, Fist, Bosspole 154
T3: 19 boyz, incl Nob, Fist, Bosspole 154
F1: 3 Warbuggie Rokita 105
F2: 3 Warbuggie Rokita 105
F3: 3 Warbuggie Rokita 105
H1: Battlewagon BShoota, Red Paint Job, Rolla, Riggers 125
H2: Batllewagon BShoota, Red Paint Job, Rolla, Riggers 125
Transport 1: Battlewagon BShoota, Red Paint Job, Rolla 120
Transport 2: Battlewagon BShoota, Red Paint Job, Rolla, Riggers 125
Transport 3: Trukk Reinforced Ram 40

All: 1748

Editor's Notes: Well, the Megas are cute. Not very effective though they are better choices than most but to be honest I'd rather have non-Meganobz with a painboy. Someone seems to know what to bring for Orks for the most part--but no lootas, at all? Man, that's harsh. Btw I'd ditch the Trukk. It's a crapfest. Even with the idea of hiding a troop in it and zooming forward, the amount of fire it will draw makes it unlikely it will work the way you want it to. I think a big unit of Nobz and 2 units of lootas (or even 3) is a better deal for you. Well, whatever, Orks are Orks.


Final note: Much improved lists, that Eldar one is pathetic. The Tyranid one might work just by confusing the gak out of people, but you guys do playtest against each other, right? How badly does the Space Wolf army smash your face? Like...every game? Or just 99% of them?



GERMANY

PLAYER 1: Fritz Peters, Lews Therin Telamon
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Chaos Daemons

HQ1 : Bloodthirster [250]
HQ2 : Bloodthirster [250]

Elite1 : 8 Bloodcrushers of Khorne (8x40), Standard Bearer(25), Musician(5), Fury of Khorne(10) [360]
Elite2 : 7 Bloodcrushers of Khorne (7x40), Standard Bearer(25), Musician(5), Fury of Khorne(10) [320]
Elite 3 : 6 Fiends of Slaanesh (6x30), Daemonic Strength(10) [190]

Troop 1 : 5 Plaguebearers of Nurgle (5x15) [75]
Troop 2 : 5 Plaguebearers of Nurgle (5x15) [75]
Troop 3 : 5 Plaguebearers of Nurgle (5x15) [75]

HS1: Daemonprince (80), Iron Hide(30), Mark of Slaanesh(10), offensive/defensive Grenades(5), Pavane of Slaanesh(30) [155]

TOTAL [(1750)pts]

Editor's Notes: Sigh. Another 'did you bring a foot army?' army.

Player2: Roland Zaglauer, vip-user
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Chaos Space Marines

HQ 1: Daemon Prince (110)+ Wings (20)+ Mark of Slaanesh (5)+ Lash of Submission (20)= 155 pts
HQ 2: Daemon Prince (110)+ Wings (20)+ Mark of Slaanesh (5)+ Lash of Submission (20)= 155 pts

Elite 1: 3 Chaos Terminators (90) + 3x combi-meltagun (3x5) + chainfist (15) = 120 pts
Elite 2: 3 Chaos Terminators (90) + 3x combi-meltagun (3x5) + chainfist (15) = 120 pts

Troop 1: 5 Chaos Space Marines 75 pts
Troop 2: 5 Chaos Space Marines 75 pts

HS 1: 3 Obliterators 225 pts
HS 2: 3 Obliterators 225 pts
HS 3: 2 Obliterators 150 pts

Transport 1: Chaos Land Raider, Dozer Blade [Terminator Squad (Elite 1)] 225 pts
Transport 2: Chaos Land Raider, Dozer Blade [Terminator Squad (Elite 2)] 225 pts

TOTAL 1750 pts

Editor's Notes: Another useless Lash army.

PLAYER 3: Denis Müller, Florida Boy
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Blood Angels

HQ1: Librarian (100) Jump Pack (25) The Sanguine Sword (0) Unleash Rage (0) - - - > 125 P
HQ2 : Reclusiarch (130), Jump Pack (25), Power fist (15) - - - > 170 P

Elite1 : 5 Sanguinary Guard (200), Power Fist (10), 2x Infernus Pistol (20), Chapter Banner (30) - - - > 260 P
Elite2 : 5 Assault Terminators (200), 4xTunder Hammer (20) - - - > 220 P
Elite 3 : Sanguinary Priest (50), Jump Pack (25), Lightning Claw (15), Melta B. (5) - - -> 95 P
Sanguinary Priest (50), Jump Pack (25), Lightning Claw (15), - - - > 90 P

Troop 1 : Assault Squad 10 Space Marines (190), 8 x Boltpistole, 2 x Meltagun (20), Power Fist (25). - - - > 235 P
Troop 2 : Assault Squad 10 Space Marines (190), 8 x Boltpistole, 2 x Meltagun (20), Power Fist (25). - - - > 235 P
Troop 3 : 5 Scout Squad (75), 4 x Sniper Rifle (0), Missile Launcher (10), Camo Cloak (15) - - - > 100 P

FA1: 3 Scout-Bike- Squad (70), Combi-Melta (10), Melta Bombs (5) - - - > 85 P

HS1: 5 Devastator- Squad (90), Multimelta (10), 2 x Missile Launcher (20), Plasma Cannon (15) - - - > 135 P

TOTAL [ 1750pts]

Editor's Notes: Let's see...it's got a dev squad that confuses itself, a scout bike squad to stop...scouts towards an assault army...the lolz can now commence, and it's running Termies, Jump Packs, and some Sanguinary Priests to show everyone how you mix-n-match poorly, ending up with a crapfest of a list.

PLAYER 4: (Kayu, Orellana, FenneQ)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : (Space Wolves)

HQ1 : Wolfpriest (100) Wolftalisman (5) [105p]
Runepriest (100) living lightning (free) Jaws of the WW (free) [100)
HQ2 : Runepriest (100) Wolftalisman (5) Jaws of the WW (free) murderous hurricane (0) [105]
Runepriest (100p) Bolter (free) living lightning (free) murderous hurricane (free) [100p]

Elite1 : 10 Wolfguard-Terminators (10x33) 3 Shield (3x15) 2 Cyclonmissilelauncher (2x30) 4 Powerweapon (free) 4 Wolfclaw (4x5) 1 Powerfist (10) 1 Chainfist (15) [480]
Elite2 : 1 Cybot (105) Stormbolter (free) Twinlinked Autocannon (10) [115]

Troop 1 : 5 Greyhunters (5x15) 1 Flamer (free) [75]
Troop 2 : 5 Greyhunters (5x15) 1 Flamer (free) [75]
Troop 3 : 5 Greyhunters (5x15) 1 Flamer (free) [75]

FA1: 4 Thunderwolve cavalry (4x50) 1 Powerfist (25) 1 Stormshield (30) 1 Meltabombs (5) [260]
FA2: 4 Thunderwolve cavalry (4x50) 1 Powerfist (25) 1 Stormshield (30) 1 Meltabombs (5) [260]

Editor's Notes: So...it's land of the 'I can take 4 HQ's, WEE!', insufficient troops, and some TWC. Oh yeah and a Dread plus a bunch of Wolf Guard Terminators. Probably combat squad'ed. It's like it's trying to do Loganwing without Logan. Silly really.

PLAYER5 : Philipp, Streckmann, PhiSt
Army Description: Orkz

HQ1 : Big Mek (35), Kustom force shield (50), boss pole(5) [90]

Elite1 : 5 Lootaz (5x15) :[75]
Elite2 : 5 Lootaz (5x15) :[75]

Troop 1 : 30 Boyz(30x6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 2 : 30 Boyz(30x6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 3 : 29 Boyz(29x6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25): [209]
Troop 4 : 29 Boyz(29x6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [214]
Troop 5 : 25 Boyz(25x6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) 2 big shootaz (2x5): [195]

FA1: Deffkopta (35) buzzsaw(25) :[60]

HS1: 3 Killa kans (3x35) 3xgrotzooka(3x10) :[135]
HS2: 3 Killa kans (3x35) 3xgrotzooka(3x10) :[135]
HS3: 3 Killa kans (3x35) 3xbig shootaz(3x5) :[120]

Editor's Notes: Well, I guess this is the army Demons want to fight? Needs more guns. What's with the scout unit? Nobody in their right mind is going to scout near you. lol This is where tactics fail at the army building stage.

PLAYER 6: (Mario, Sandhövel, SonOfPhoenix)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : (Tyranids)

HQ1 : Hive Tyrant (170) (psychic scream, Paroxysm)Twin linked devourer with brainleech worms (15) Twin linked devourer with brainleech worms (15) Hive Commander (25) Old Adversary (25) :[250]
HQ1 2 Tyrant Guard (120) 2 Bonesword (30): [150]
HQ2 : Warrior Prime (80) Pair of boneswords (10) Rending claws (free) : [90]

Elite1 : 2 Hive Guard (50x2): 100
Elite2 : 5 Yrmgarl Genestealers (5x23) [115]
Elite3 : 5 Yrmgarl Genestealers (5x23) [115]

Troop 1 : Tervigon (160) Adrenal Glands (10) Catalyst (15)stinger salvo (free) : [185]
Troop 2 : 10 Termagaunts (5x10) fleshborers (free) : [50]
Troop 3 : 14 Genestealers (14x14) Broodlord-Upgrade (46) : [242]
Troop 4 : 14 Genestealers (14x14) Broodlord-Upgrade (46) : [242]

HS1: 1 Trygon (200) Adrenalin glands (10) : [210]

TOTAL [1749pts]

Editor's Notes: Wow, 2 guns, in one unit. And we're done.

PLAYER 7: (Simon Oerding, braindead, Captain)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : (Eldar)

HQ1: Farseer (55), runes of warding (15), runes of witnessing (10), spirit stones (20), doom (25), fortune (30), jetbike (30): [185]
HQ2: Farseer (55), runes of witnessing (10), spirit stones (20), mindwar (20), fortune (30), jetbike (30): [165]
HQ3: 10 Warlocks (10x25), jetbikes (10x20), 2 singing spears (2x3), embolden (10), enhance (15): [476]
HQ4: 9 Warlocks (9x25), jetbikes (9x20), 2 singing spears (2x3), embolden (10), enhance (15): [431]

Troops1: 3 Guardian jetbikes (3x22), shuriken cannon (10): [76]
Troops1: 3 Guardian jetbikes (3x22), shuriken cannon (10): [76]
Troops3: 5 Dire Avengers (5x12): [60]

HS1: Illum Zar [115]
HS2: Falcon (115), holo fields (35), spirit stones (10), shuriken cannon (5): [165]

TOTAL [1749pts]

Editor's Notes: Great it's dual seer council, maxed out, in the points values where it doesn't scale properly. Ah well, here's hoping for craptastic Orks and no cheaters, eh?

PLAYER 8: (Jakob Salzmann,Amasec)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : (Imperial Guard)

HQ 1: Company Command Squad, 4 plasma guns (4x15): [110], in transport 1
HQ 2: Company Command Squad, 4 melta guns (4x10): [90], in transport 2

Elites 1: 8 Sanctioned Psykers (60+3x10), Overseer: [90], in transport 3

Troops1: 10 Veterans (70), 3 Melta guns (3x10) = 100, in transport 4
Troops2: Platoon Command Squad (30), 4 melta guns (4x10): [70], in transport 5
Troops3: Infantry Squad (50), flamer (5), Commissar (35) with power weapon (10): [100]
Troops4: Infantry Squad (50), flamer (5): [55]
Troops5: Heavy Weapon Team (30), 3 autocannons (3x15): [75]
Troops6: Heavy Weapon Team (30), 3 autocannons (3x15): [75]

FA1: Vendetta Gunship [130]
FA2: Vendetta Gunship [130]
FA3: Vendetta Gunship [130]

HS1: Manticore (160), hull heavy flamer: [160]
HS2: Manticore (160), hull heavy flamer: [160]

Transport 1: Chimera (55), Multilaser, Heavy Flamer: [55]
Transport 2: Chimera (55), Multilaser, Heavy Flamer: [55]
Transport 3: Chimera (55), Multilaser, Heavy Flamer: [55]
Transport 4: Chimera (55), Multilaser, Heavy Flamer: [55]
Transport 5: Chimera (55), Multilaser, Heavy Flamer: [55]

TOTAL [1750pts]

Editor's Notes: So...this is Frodo's Ring, right? One army to rule them all? Ah well, what can you do if the rest of your team sucks. Enjoy winning all of your games while your team loses all around you.

Final notes: So, this is where all the grown-men, playing in 'real' tournaments, come to show us just what they've learned, huh? Team America + Team Germany, the double fail threat for ETC 2010.


SPAIN

PLAYER 1: José Diego Méndez Díaz. (Boldo)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Space Wolves

HQ 1: Runic Priest (100), chooser of the slain (10), Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning = [110]
HQ 2: Runic Priest (100) Jaws of the World Wolf, Murderous hurricane = [100]
HQ 3: Wolf lord (100), runic armour (20), thunder wolf (45), power fist (25), storm shield (30), Wolf Tail Talisman (5), saga of majesty(15), fenrisian wolf (10) = [250]

Troop 1: 7 Grey hunters (105), Wolf Standard 10), meltagun (5), Transport 1 = [120]
Troop 2: 7 Grey hunters (105), Wolf Standard 10), meltagun (5), Transport 2 = [120]
Troop 3: 10 Grey hunters (150), 2 meltagun (5) = [155]

ELITE 1: 5 scouts (75), meltagun (10) = [85]
ELITE 2: 3 wolf guards (54), 3 powerfist (60), 3 combimelta (15) = [129]

FA 1: 15 Fenrisian wolves (120) = [120]

HS 1: 1 leader and 5 long fangs (90), 3 missile launchers (30), 2 laser cannon (50) = [170]
HS 2: 1 leader and 5 long fangs (90), 3 missile launchers (30), 2 laser cannon (50) = [170]
HS 3: 1 leader and 5 long fangs (90), 5 missile launchers (50) = [140]

Transport 1: Rhino (35), dozer blade (5), transport troops 1 = [40]
Transport 2: Rhino (35), dozer blade (5), transport troops 2 = [40]

Total : [1749]

Editor's Notes: Well, two minor issues. Two Rune Priests is not necessary. Saga of Majesty instead of Warrior Born? Ugh. Well, I'd also invest in 4 GH squads in Rhinos instead of the current setup, but hey that's just me.

PLAYER 2: Julio Torrado Rodriguez. (dArDlE)
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Blood Angels.

HQ 1: Librarian (100),Unleash Rage & shield of Sanguinius, Bolt Pistol (0), = [100]

Elite 1: 5 Assault terminators (200), 4 Thunder hammers & Storm Shield (20), on Transport 1 = [220]
Elite 2: 5 Assault terminators (200), 4 Thunder hammers & Storm Shield (20), on Transport 2 = [220]
Elite 3: 2 Sanguinary priests (100), 2* Bolt pistols & CCW (0), = [100]

Troops 1: 10 Assault marines (190), 2 Meltaguns (20), Inferno Pistol (15), Power Fist (25) = [250]
Troops 2: 10 Assault marines (190), 2 Meltaguns (20), Power Fist (25) = [235]
Troops 3: 5 Scouts (75), 5 Sniper Rifle (0), Melta Bomb (5), Cammo cloaks (15) = [95]

Transport 1: Land Raider Redeemer (240), Multi-Melta (10), Extra Armour (15) = [265]
Transport 2: Land Raider Redeemer (240), Multi-Melta (10), Extra Armour (15) = [265]

Total: [1750]

Editor's Note: Well that's certainly going to be a big beat stick of an army. While not subtle by any means, people will end up not liking going up against it. I expect balanced Guard will destroy you though.

PLAYER 3: David Alegre Castro. (Harridan)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Imperial Guard

HQ 1: Company Command Squad (50) + 3*meltagun (30) + regimental standard (15) = [95 pts], in Transport 1.
HQ 2: Company Command Squad (50) + 4*meltagun (40) = [90 pts].

Elite 1: Psyker Battle Squad (60) + 4 additional Sanctioned Psykers (40) = [100 pts], in Transport 2.

Troop 1: Infantry Platoon
- Troop 1a- Platoon Command Squad (30) +autocannon (10) + 2*flamer (10) = [50 pts], in Transport 3.
- Troop 1b- Infantry Squad (50) + Autocannon (10) + flamer (5) = [65 pts], in Transport 4.
- Troop 1c- Infantry Squad (50) + Autocannon (10) = [60 pts], in Transport 5.
Troop 2 : Veteran Squad (70) + 3*Meltagun (30) + Autocannon (10) = [110 pts], in Transport 6.
Troop 3 : Veteran Squad (70) + 3*Meltagun (30) = [100pts]

FA 1: Vendetta (130) + 2 Heavy Bolters (10) = [140 pts]
FA 2: Vendetta (130) + 2 Heavy Bolters (10) = [140 pts]
FA 3: Vendetta (130) = [130 pts]

HS 1: Manticore Rocket Launcher, Heavy Flamer = [160 pts]
HS 2: Manticore Rocket Launcher, Heavy Flamer = [160 pts]

Transport 1: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Flamer, Dozer blade (10) = [65 pts]
Transport 2: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Bolter = [55 pts]
Transport 3: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Bolter = [55 pts]
Transport 4: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Bolter = [55 pts]
Transport 5: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Bolter = [55 pts]
Transport 6: Chimera Transport , multi-laser, Heavy Flamer, Dozer blade (10) = [65 pts]

Total: [1750]

Editor's Notes: Well it's certainly better than the usual crap. I'm confused as to all these IG armies. Why no HW teams? Why no IST units for the Vendettas? Number of infantry troops should equal transports, discounting HW teams or blob units--and the number of transports needs to include Vendettas. I wish these basic list concepts were followed--you want scoring units in every transport so you can...score with every vehicle possible.

PLAYER 4: Moisés Ronda Ferrer. (Mohicanoska)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Eldar

HQ 1: Autarch (70), mandiblasters (10), power weapon (10), Fusion gun (10) = [100]
HQ 2: Farseer (55), runes of warding (15), runes of witnessing (10), spirit stones (20), doom (25), fortune( 30) = [155]

Elite 1: 5 fire dragons = [80], in Transport 1
Elite 2: 5 fire dragons = [80], in Transport 2
Elite 3: 5 fire dragons = [80], in Transport 3

Troop 1:9 dire avengers(108), exarch (12) with power weapon and shimmershield (15), defend (15), bladestorm (15) =[165], in Transport 4
Troop 2: 5 dire avengers = [60]
Troop 3: 5 dire avengers = [60]

HS1: Falcon (115), shuriken cannon (5), vectored engines (20), spirit stones (10), holo-fields (35) = [185]
HS2: 3 war walker squadron (90), 6 scatter laser (90) = [180]
HS3: 2 war walker squadron (60), 4 scatter laser (60) = [120]

Transport 1: Wave serpent (90), twin-linked scatter lasers (25), spirit stones (10) = [125]
Transport 2: Wave serpent (90), twin-linked scatter lasers( 25), spirit stones (10) = [125]
Transport 3: Wave serpent (90), twin-linked shuriken cannons (10), spirit stones (10) = [110]
Transport 4: Wave serpent (90), twin-linked scatter lasers (25), spirit stones (10) = [125]

Total: [1750]

Editor's Notes: Well the first Eldar list I can accept. I still don't like War Walkers (which should just have 5 Scatter Lasers each) but with 3 Fire Dragon units zooming forward life should be a pita. Not sure on the viability of foot DA, once the War Walkers are shot down there's nothing else to shoot light weapons at but them.

PLAYER 5: Alejandro Martín Fernández. (Kult)
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Chaos Space Marines

HQ 1: Daemon Prince (110) + Wings (20) + Mark of Slaanesh (5) + Lash of Submission (20) = [155]
HQ 2: Daemon Prince (110) + Wings (20) + Mark of Slaanesh (5) + Lash of Submission (20) = [155]

Elite 1: 3 Chaos Terminators (90) + 3x combi-meltagun (15) = [105], in Transport 1

Troop 1: 5 Plague Marines (115) + meltagun (10) = [125]
Troop 2: 5 Plague Marines(115) + 2X meltagun (20) = [135], in Transport 2
Troop 3: 8 Berzerkers (168) + Personal Icon (5)+ Skull Champion (15) + Power fist (25) = [213]

HS 1: 3 Obliterators [225]
HS 2: 3 Obliterators [225]
HS 3: 2 Obliterators [150]

Transport 1: Chaos Land Raider + Dirge Caster (+5) = [225]
Transport 2: Chaos Rhino = [35]

Total: [1748]

Editor's Notes: Sigh. A LR with a Dirge Caster? Really?

PLAYER 6: Fernando Castañón, (Shadowblade)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Space Marines

HQ1: Librarian (100): Null Zone, Avenger (0), Bolt pistol (0) = [100]
HQ2: Captain (100), bike (35), relic blade (30), artificer Armor (15), combimelta (10) = [190]

Elite1: 5 Assault terminators (200): 5 Hammer & Shield = [200]
Elite2: 5 Assault terminators (200): 5 Hammer & Shield = [200]

Troop1: 10 Space marines (170): Lasscannon (10), meltagun (5), meltabombs (5) = [190] in Transport 1
Troop2: 8 Space marine bikes + 1 Attack bike (255): 2 meltagun (20), power fist (25), Multimelta (10) = [310]

HS1: Land Raider (250): Multimelta (10) = [260]
HS1: Land Raider (250): Multimelta (10) = [260]

Transport1: Rhino (35), dozer blade (5) = [40]

Total: 1750

Editor's Notes: Hey that looks familiar. It's a bit too much unbalanced though.

PLAYER 7: Antonio Garrido Sánchez (Harkonlord) [CAPTAIN]
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Orks

HQ 1: Warboss (60): Power Klaw (25), Warbike (40), Cybork Body (10) = [135]
HQ 2: Big Mek (35): Kustom Force Field (50), Bosspole (5) = [90]

Elite 1: 13 Lootas =[195]
Elite 2: 13 Lootas =[195]

Troop 1: 4 Nobs (80): 4 bikes (100), 2 Power Klaws (50), Waaaaagh Banner (15), Bosspole (5), Painboy (30), Cybork Bodies (20) = [300]
Troop 2: 30 Ork Boyz (180): 2 Big Shootas (10), Shootas (Free), Nob (10) with Bosspole (5) and Power Klaw (25) = [230]
Troop 3: 20 Ork Boyz (120): 1 Big Shoota (5), Shootas (Free), Nob (10) with Bosspole (5) and Power Klaw (25) = [165]
Troop 4: 20 Ork Boyz (120): Slugga and Choppa (Free), Nob (10) with Bosspole (5) and Power Klaw (25) = [160]
Troop 5: 10 Gretchins (30), Runtherd (10) =[40]

HS1: 3 Killa Kans: 3 Big Shoota (15) =[120]
HS2: 3 Killa Kans: 3 Big Shoota (15) =[120]

Total: [1750]

Editor's Notes: Mini-death star, Ork Boyz, Lootas and Kans. Not terrible, but I do think you could manage to include more firepower in the list. Buggies, Kans, Lootas. Maxing those units out helps Orks quite a bit. Minimizing actual Ork units also helps.

PLAYER 8: Eduardo González de Molina Soler. (brujo!)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Witch Hunters

HQ1 : Cannonnes (45), Eviscerator (25), Bolt Pistol (1), Book of St.Lucius (5), Cloak of st.Aspira (20), Jump Pack (20), Mantle of Ophelia (15) = [131]
HQ2 : Cannonnes (45), Eviscerator (25), Bolt Pistol (1), Book of St.Lucius (5), Cloak of st.Aspira (20), Jump Pack (20) = [116]
Elite 1a : Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor (20), Bolter-Plasma Gun (15) = [35]
Elite 1b : Retinue: 3x Veteran Guardsman (30), 3x Plasma Gun(30), 3x Acolyte(24), 3x Bolter-Flamer(30) = [114], in Transport 3
Elite2 : Callidus Temple Assassin = [120]

Troop 1 : 10 Battle Sister Squad (110), Veteran Sister Superior (14), Brazier of Holy Fire (10), Heavy Flamer (12), Meltagun (10) = [156], in Transport 1
Troop 2 : 10 Battle Sister Squad (110), Veteran Sister Superior (14), Combi-Meltagun (15), 2x Meltagun (20) = [159], in Transport 2
Troop 3 : 10 Battle Sister Squad (110), Veteran Sister Superior (14), Book of st.Lucius (5), Meltagun (10) = [139]

HS1: Exorcist = [135]
HS2: Exorcist = [135]
HS3: Exorcist = [135]

Transport1 : Rhino (50), Extra Armour (5), Smoke Launchers (3) = [58]
Transport2 : Rhino (50), Extra Armour (5), Smoke Launchers (3), Searchlight (1) = [59]
Transport3 : Land Raider (250), Extra Armour (5), Smoke Launchers (3) = [258]

TOTAL [1750]

Editor's Notes: Hey it's a 1500 point Sisters list with a Land Raider attached to it, from 4th edition no less. Sorry, make that 1250. Two flying nuns?! Well at least there aren't any Seraphim...sigh.

Final Notes: Come on now, you are almost up there with Ukraine on having good lists. Pare some crap, have all good lists!

Hey, Stelek is posting on Dakka again!

willydstyle wrote:Hey, Stelek is posting on Dakka again!

Just indirectly. Ignore his comments if you like.

I've got no beef with him. While I think he is wrong a lot of the time and doesn't have the ego to admit it, he still posts better information than 90% of dakka users.

Well, Stelek is a pro and belongs to the 40k celebreties.

willydstyle wrote:I've got no beef with him. While I think he is wrong a lot of the time and doesn't have the ego to admit it, he still posts better information than 90% of dakka users.

Think about what you just said. Some people might feel you yourself are not in the exclusive 10 percent.

Anyways it's like I said, all the lists start to look the same after awhile and there are no secret builds. It's more about what you can do.

willydstyle wrote:I've got no beef with him. While I think he is wrong a lot of the time and doesn't have the ego to admit it, he still posts better information than 90% of dakka users.

And yet, he was completely unqualified to assess ETC 40k lists...

I wonder what his excuses will be.

Yeah, congrats and big respect to the US team!
I have to admit I, just like many if not most of Europeans, had the US marked for the last third of the field. Reasons being their strange and mostly not really hard lists and inexperience with the pairing system.

They seem to have done their homework though and obviously are skilled players, the draws against Sweden and Spain were very impressive indeed and to lose against Poland is no shame (they are still undeafeted in ETC tourneys!).
US had draw luck on the first day and only played lower tier countries but the second day showed they have potential to play for the win next year. I hope they do, the more serious competition the better.

@Hulksmash and others who believe the US played the wrong strategy, I challenge you to come next year and prove it.
I strongly believe you are wrong in your assessment that a team of 8 all-comers is superior to the current strategy of the top-teams, but I'm also very interested in how that would exactly work out if 8 skilled players were using those type of lists.

@Rhyskalor: Perhaps if the US placed all 8 of their guys in the top 10 of the Singles, that might work.

Why do people think 40k is a rock-paper-scissors game? The notion that you can just select a "hardened" list as a good counter to an opponent's list is just absurd.

The US did right, despite taking "not perfect" lists ... if even the same team spent a year practicing with perfectly optimized lists so that they were as comfortable with them as with what they brought (which is why what they brought was better than "perfectly optimized" this year around), they'd be fine.

Congrats to the USA team.

MVBrandt wrote:Why do people think 40k is a rock-paper-scissors game? The notion that you can just select a "hardened" list as a good counter to an opponent's list is just absurd.

The US did right, despite taking "not perfect" lists ... if even the same team spent a year practicing with perfectly optimized lists so that they were as comfortable with them as with what they brought (which is why what they brought was better than "perfectly optimized" this year around), they'd be fine.

QFT

I'd be happy to attend if given the opportunity. If we can come up with a proper way of qualifying for it next year I'll try to make it to the qualifiers no matter where they are. That being said I think the biggest problem with the US is the sheer scale of it. Most of the other 20 teams come from an area not much larger than Texas. Getting together for a series of tournaments to determine a team is much harder.

Maybe we can get a Canada team to. Then some of us can merc out Then at least we'll manage to send 2 north american teams to the UK's 4 teams....

I'll second that 40k isn't rock/paper/scissors. Taking a list good for you is more important than taking one you haven't presonally tweaked. Hopefully the US can get their team for next year set up early and start tweaking lists from day 1. I hope someone steps up and runs a similar tournament in the US with maybe state teams? It would help a)determine who we should be sending (no dig on the people who went, they did great) and b)would give some much needed experience in this format. Just a thought.

@Hulk: Maybe a Mexican team, too?

We can all chant: "Go NAFTA, Go NAFTA!! "

I'm down. A united North America!

I wonder if as big as the US is if they would allow multiple US teams if we had enough people.

US North
US South
US Mid-west
US West

?

@ Hulksmash

If you had come to Adepticon this year you would have had the opportunity to qualify for the team.

MVBrandt wrote:Why do people think 40k is a rock-paper-scissors game? The notion that you can just select a "hardened" list as a good counter to an opponent's list is just absurd.

Because there are aspects of the game that are like rock/paper/scissors. There are also aspects that are not.

I think that, in general, there are two types of list. One is proactive - it says this is what I'm going to do, and you can try to stop me. The other is reactive, and adjusts what it does to what its opponent is doing.

Some codexes make better proactive armies, some make better reactive codexes. Orks are an example of a codex that works better proactively. The ork player pretty much says, "I've got 180 boyz" or "I've got 4 battlewagons", and dares you to stop them. Codex Marines tend to work better reactively. If you're playing against guard, motor towards them and close the distance, if you're playing against orks, sit tight and get as many shooting phases in as possible. (Note, orks can do reactive, and marines can do proactive - I'm not saying they're forced to be this way)

Reactive armies tend to be more balanced - they have to be in order to react to whatever their opponent is playing. Proactive armies, on the other hand, do best when they seek to overload their opponent's ability to handle one sort of threat. This can be too many AV12 vehicles, too many infantry, too many AV14 vehicles, or whatever. They're saying, I've got more of this than you can handle, so I'm going to dictate this battle.

Reactive armies kind of exist outside the Rock-Paper-Scissors aspect of the game. If you made your reactive army well, it's going to have the tools to deal with a horde, a monstrous creature rush, or a mech gunline. But proactive armies can very easily fall to matchup problems, especially when they run into another proactive army that happens to have the tools to beat them. 180 slugga boyz aren't going to do well against 16 bloodcrushers, let alone bloodcrushers backed by fateweaver. Even charging they stand to lose combats, and by a lot.

A Tyranid list with lots of multi-wound T4 models poses a threat to a lot of armies. If your army relies on meltas and autocannons, then those warriors and raveners are either too close, or you're expending a lot of firepower to remove models. But when that same army has to face 15 long fangs with missiles, all of those wounds count for naught.

Some armies don't have easy counters, that's true. Balanced reactive armies don't generally have matchup issues. But others do. If your plan involves having too many land raiders for your opponent to deal with, 9 twin-linked rail guns can sure spoil your day

Anyhow - congrats to the US team, well fought - post some pics

MVBrandt wrote:Why do people think 40k is a rock-paper-scissors game? The notion that you can just select a "hardened" list as a good counter to an opponent's list is just absurd.

Want to play? I'm bringing a Chaos Daemons army...good thing you can't make a list to take advantage of that.

I do not think the idea of more than 1 team per country is a good idea. Then you get into dividing the country and its only fair to offer other teams the same chance. There appears to be an ever growing Indy GT scene that is fueling a lot of events of grand scale. If you goto those, you start meeting guys from across the country. I attend mostly Northeast events, didn't make Adepticon this year. But if you asked me who were some of the top tier Fantasy Players, I'd have named a couple guys on that WFB team

AOE: I mean, I don't list tailor ... I invite list tailoring ... and I bring Strakenguard anytime I play ... with basically no changes. Leafblowers, double jetseers, razorwolves, whatevs ...


I guess that's a yes, sure? This list isn't really about me, and despite an excellent track record I don't feel I'm on "prove how awesome I am" row, b/c it's a toy soldiers game.

Redbeard - true enough; I generally think the best lists are buildable, are true all comers, and can come out of any dex ... able to handle any of the "rock" armies out there, that live and breathe off strong combos and getting favorable match-ups in battle point systems.


NJPC - Too early for me to even ponder multiple teams per country, but without a formal national evaluation system, it should generally be allowed. If a 2nd US team forms and wants to go, which one gets to go? That's an argument I shouldn't have to carry further to prove a point.

For now, the only props due are to the Americans who went ... I didn't see another team of 8 all paid up volunteered and ready to go, so any kind of criticism is really just snipin' from the peanut gallery.

MVBrandt wrote:AOE: I mean, I don't list tailor ... I invite list tailoring ... and I bring Strakenguard anytime I play ... with basically no changes. Leafblowers, double jetseers, razorwolves, whatevs ...


I guess that's a yes, sure? This list isn't really about me, and despite an excellent track record I don't feel I'm on "prove how awesome I am" row, b/c it's a toy soldiers game.

You missed my point or I communicated it poorly . It wasn't a real challenge, I was simply pointing out that you can indeed make a 'hardened' list to counter an opponent's list...and was made tongue in cheek...

We can arm wrestle or something though if you want. I'll warn you though, I use the Over the Top method and train off my semi mirrors.

I sweep the leg when arm wrestling.

Do you have a problem with that?


I "sorta" got your point ... I get that you can "harden" a list to try and counter someone, if list tailoring is enabled; that point taken, I actually don't think it matters. I routinely invite people to custom tailor any list with any proxy vs. me, and routinely win regardless ... a true all comers isn't really "tailorable" against, in a material enough way to bypass its operator's skill (in short, I don't care what you do, I'll beat you whatever you bring, with the lists I use). I / you generically, of course.

Your raptor Jesus entrances me.

MVBrandt wrote:
Your raptor Jesus entrances me.

He went extinct for your sins...


On topic, I would be interested to hear from the guys that played. Mostly, I wondered how difficult the language barrier became...given some of the vague language 40k offers and how important in game communication becomes during complicated hand to hand, etc...