Non-Space Marine news from Games Day baltimore

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**Fishboy**

@Alex-Yeah that one hehe.

**Kroothawk**

Another reminder that this is a non-Space-Marine thread, so please no comments on Badab War, Huron, Scorpion etc.

Here better pics by Sparianos, posted by t-tauri on Warseer:

... and some info by MajorWesJanson:

The Eldar haven't really been pushed back. Badab was one book, became 2 because it was too long. The Phantom is hopefully out by Christmas, it still needs work, notably a head. Tony wnet into depth about it at the Seminar. Phantom is being made into a master, then they will convert it to resin and work out detailing and how to make it posable, and then set it up for production.

Also mentioned was that the sculpter (Will Hayes?) was slow (then changed to meticulus) and took near 3 months working on the feet. Reaver Titan stuff is on the back burner for now, even though Hayes really wants to do more weapons for it, like a Volcano Cannon, until the Eldar titan is done. Eldar are also getting a light tank, looks kind of like a Falcon cockpit section with winglets and engines, and some troops (aspect warriors?)

They also did a Necron model "impulsively" (apparently the FW guys got drunk and decided to make one, then later realized there was nowhere to put it in any upcoming books ) and Tony liked the Grot tanks so much that they made a Grot supertank, looks like an old Ironclad ship. Cylindrical turrets with 2 guns each in the front and back, large prow, sponsons with big shootas, topside turret with a grot using a telescope, and a tall mast. Turrets and guns are interchangable, maybe even with the grot tanks.

**aka_mythos**

The Eldar stuff is looking awesome, but that Grot super tank is a little lacking. I hope they can do more with it. Its a shame they couldn't find away to bring some degree of the asymmetry of the Falcon into that light tank, that was always something I appreciated when pulled off with the eldar.

**AlexHolker**

I don't like that Eldar skimmer. The tail is ugly and the attachments for the weapons and fins look distinctly un-Eldar-y.

The grot land battleship looks good, though.

**JohnHwangDD**

Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

hm, phatom is good though i'd much like those reaver weapons. HOPEFULLY they'll release the other tyranid bio titans

**Kroothawk**

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

I agree: The skimmer looks a bit like my first attempt to use everything in my Eldar bitz box ... before I realize that I forgot the engine

Better convert the Vyper to have a closed hull than shrink the Falcon wings.
Personally, I also don't like the look of all Eldar Titans so far. Still looking for a chassis to put my old Epicast Farseer Titan head on.
Well, guess I will go on using EVAs.

Small tidbit on Forge World Fantasy:

WilhelmRochRedDuke at Warseer wrote:It was asked to the designers personally and in the seminar and the response was that The fantasy group is entirely seperate from the 40K side. The group will be announcing stuff within the next few months and it will be releasing small amounts of fantasy with the possibility of some scenery pieces. The scenery that they produce are not always cost effective.

... and another one by Warseer mod PhilBrad (GW's reaction to FW stealing the show on GD Baltimore):

GW email answer wrote:There are no Forge World Seminars planned for UK Games Day.

**Scottywan82**

Kroothawk wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

I agree: The skimmer looks a bit like my first attempt to use everything in my Eldar bitz box ... before I realize that I forgot the engine
Better convert the Vyper to have a closed hull than shrink the Falcon wings.
Personally, I also don't like the look of all Eldar Titans so far. Still looking for a chassis to put my old Epicast Farseer Titan head on.
Well, guess I will go on using EVAs.

I want to third this opinion. I really WANT to like it, but... it just looks too flimsy and weird. Like someone's 10 year old built it.

**Anarchyman99**

The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

**Scottywan82**

Anarchyman99 wrote:The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

I'll say. Leaving the engine out really reduces the weight.

EDIT:

Okay, also non-SM news. Golden Daemon.

May I just say, Holy gak?

This is ludicrously awesome.

**SpacePanzee**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

Have to agree -- those little aileron thingies attached by bit of plastic rod on the trailing edges of the wings look like an amateurish conversion. I don't know aeronautics, but seeings how those pieces would presumably spin on the plasticard rod, I'm not sure what kind of steering they would provide. I think that would help with a barrel roll, but nothing else?

I'll assume that there is a single underslung engine. This would be enough for such a small vehicle, but if the other eldar tanks are already "fast," what role does that leave for this lil guy? Is it just an expensive, resin Vyper?

I do like the whimsical goldfish shaped body. If it wasn't going to cost $50, I might have bought one.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

meh i like it

**Necros**

I usually love all the eldar stuff, but that light eldar tank just doesn't do it for me. Why not just make an uber vyper or something. or better yet, put out those new crotch rocket jectbikes that have been floating around for the last like 2 years.

**Kanluwen**

I get an odd feeling that it's not really meant to be "speedy", but it'll be a weird kind of up-armored weapons platform.

**Frazzled**

SpacePanzee wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

Have to agree -- those little aileron thingies attached by bit of plastic rod on the trailing edges of the wings look like an amateurish conversion. I don't know aeronautics, but seeings how those pieces would presumably spin on the plasticard rod, I'm not sure what kind of steering they would provide. I think that would help with a barrel roll, but nothing else?

I'll assume that there is a single underslung engine. This would be enough for such a small vehicle, but if the other eldar tanks are already "fast," what role does that leave for this lil guy? Is it just an expensive, resin Vyper?

I do like the whimsical goldfish shaped body. If it wasn't going to cost $50, I might have bought one.

if they put engine nacelles just above the backs of the wings under the guns it could look pretty good however.

**H.B.M.C.**

I think it'll have a single engine, centred underneath the main body.

**Gymnogyps**

this is all I think of when I see that Eldar tank...

Kroothawk wrote:

**Mewiththeface**

I think the eldar tank looks epic. You can see an engine underneath the main part of the craft.

**eledamris**

Scottywan82 wrote:
Anarchyman99 wrote:The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

I'll say. Leaving the engine out really reduces the weight.

EDIT:

Okay, also non-SM news. Golden Daemon.

May I just say, Holy gak?

This is ludicrously awesome.

Honestly, I feel like this deserved to swap with what won Silver. Part of it is probably because I absolutely hate Archaon conversions, especially to Empire Generals, but also partially because I think the freehand on the shield is somewhat lacking. Natalya Melnik's Teclis that won Silver was better, IMHO. Still, the freehand on the barding was beautiful...

**Grimstonefire**

Lol. FW people should get drunk more often! Mental note; spend money on beer next time I visit GW HQ.

**Iron Angel**

I dont know why, but i love the Eldar stuff. And since my gf plays them.. happy Eldar buying.

Cheers all

**Mewiththeface**

Grimstonefire wrote:Lol. FW people should get drunk more often! Mental note; spend money on beer next time I visit GW HQ.

Bugmans bar.

**Kurgash**

If the Necron model is as good as I'm hoping, it will be the first FW thing I buy.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

i still say the eldar light skimmer looks alright. as for the necron thing i'm hoping for the Obelisk as it's cool

**Kirasu**

I just hope FW shows some creativity with weaponry for the eldar phantom.. Imperial titans get like 10+ types of interesting weapons. Id be a bit dissapointed if the Phantom gets 1 weapon, IE a bigger pulsar, IE a bigger prism cannon, IE a bigger starcannon

And please someone tell them the reaper launchers on the revenant serve no purpose :( so please nothing like that for the phantom..( Its like giving the warhound a single heavy bolter

I do like the light skimmer tank minus the weird fin things on the back.. Its similar to the vehicle I designed for my Eldar campaign

**Orinoco**

I think the skimmer has conversion potential in combination with a vyper. I expect GW has told FW that they can't touch the jetbike. They could have done a cool vyper conversion though or taken their design cue from the vyper. it's a goodwin piece so can't go wrong with trying something like that. It just looks a bit awkward, the new eldar walkers are genius for example and in comparison this just looks out of place. somebody did a conversion of a vyper once with d-cannons on the side and it looked amazing and they gave it some extra bulk. something like that would have been cool.

I think forgeworld listenend to people who thought about their superheavy turrets being converted to something else and saw a market.

**Tenchuu**

Since we're on Dakka Dakka, some Ork clarification:

For the record, the Grot Megatank will be out within a month.

The orks are on the same vague schedule as Chaos, though they will visit the other clans as stated at the start of IA:8.

I pointed out to the speaker at the booth that the Grot Bomb Launcha needed some kind of weapon; a slugga, anything, in order to be anything more than a uselessly tankshockless vehicle after the launch. A look of realization came over his face. "Oh! Oh yes, I see what you mean! I'll bring it up." So I hope they may fix it sometime soon. You know, that way someone might buy the model.

- I was the guy waiving his arms that he asked if I needed to go to the toilet. (I was just excited about Bad Moons and Lamentors)

**JOHIRA**

I like the light skimmer except for the guns- they look too large.

So I guess what I mean is I like it as something other than a tank. If Forgeworld made a spin-off to 40K where everybody in the universe solved their conflicts through epic and violent speeder races, this piece would be a perfect fit for it.