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Mr Mystery wrote:Whereas oddly, I tend to wait to see a film before writing it off. Yes, even Uwe Boll's 'efforts'.

But hey, clearly kneejerk reactions spouting bile are all the rage. Knock yourselves out guys!

Yup, this goes with everything on forums... Whining that nothing is previewed half done and then going off half cocked when it is. It isn't going to FF or Avatar, the budget will be much smaller and that means less server time for the graphics. What they do have is some top notch actors, and the potential to have a good storyline. In my personal opinion it looks ok, and will probably quite good. Remember this is GW testing the water, and if it makes money then there may be more budget for the next one and the films should get incrementaly better. How much did Monsters vs Aliens cost, and compare that with GWs turnover... see something relatively similar?

Ermm, sorry, isn't that the idea of a "preview"? to drum up interest in your product?

People look at the preview and make a judgement! How many times have you gone to a Cinema, seen a film preview, like Bridgette Jones for example, and thought meh, no way!.....whats the difference here? GW have put their best foot forward, and IMHO, stumbled....nuff said.

You compare GW making a film to the budgetary might of Bioware and Lucasarts? Really?

A teaser is just that; a teaser, to get people's juices going, to get people taling about it. It in no way is indicative of the finished film. Predators did it, as did 9, iirc UP did it too, with litle snippets that were not even in the film!

The stuff that you see in the cinemas which actually advertise the film as "Coming Soon" with clips from various sections of the film are trailers, teasers are completely different.

Delephont wrote:Ermm, sorry, isn't that the idea of a "preview"? to drum up interest in your product?

People look at the preview and make a judgement! How many times have you gone to a Cinema, seen a film preview, like Bridgette Jones for example, and thought meh, no way!.....whats the difference here? GW have put their best foot forward, and IMHO, stumbled....nuff said.

Difference between Ultramarines and Bridget Jones? I have an interest in Ultramarines, and none whatsoever in Bridget Jones. The trailers for both show what sort of film are (genre if you will).

But to say the film will be a crap representation of said genre, just from the trailer, is a little too judgemental.

Ya well, this TEASER sucks then. better? lol

I hate it when people argue the teaser/trailer thing as an excuse for most people not being excited or impressed. They put something out there, the goal of doing so, teaser OR trailer, is to create hype. If they failed, they failed, call it whatever you want, it doesn't change that!

Dont like the sound effects at all.
Bolters are shock and awe weapons, not pea shooters that sound lame and I never imagined power armour to sound like an empty suit of tin clanking about.

As for Abnett writing the story, THAT got me crap-all nervous. The guy is known to mangle marines like there is no tomorrow, anyone reading Eisenhorn or the Ghosts series will know what I mean. Marines are bumbling fools with the IQ of apes that die by the scores to common guardsmen and are even massacred by medieval blowpipe toting primitives when Abnett has his way.
Something tells me the poor ultramarines will be a chapter short after this movie is done.

Pyriel- wrote:Dont like the sound effects at all.
Bolters are shock and awe weapons, not pea shooters that sound lame and I never imagined power armour to sound like an empty suit of tin clanking about.

As for Abnett writing the story, THAT got me crap-all nervous. The guy is known to mangle marines like there is no tomorrow, anyone reading Eisenhorn or the Ghosts series will know what I mean. Marines are bumbling fools with the IQ of apes that die by the scores to common guardsmen and are even massacred by medieval blowpipe toting primitives when Abnett has his way.
Something tells me the poor Ultramarines will be a chapter short after this movie is done.

Um what?

Something tells me you haven't read Eisenhorn or the Ghosts series as well as you think you have.
1) In the Eisenhorn series, all of 2 Loyalist Marines are killed(that I remember at least). The first one that comes close is a Deathwatch Marine, who gets ambushed by an Emperor's Children Marine. The second and third ones are from the Aurora Chapter during "The Triumphal" when the whole thing to release the Psykers happens. Those are Alpha+ Psykers, mind you. The kinds of Psykers who can rip tank regiments apart.

2) The first instance of Marines appearing in a Ghosts novel is in "First and Only". It's two Iron Warrior Marines, facing the entirety of the Tanith First and a regiment of Vitrian Dragoons. The Iron Warriors were brought down by a combination of sniper fire, rockets, plasma guns, and a hellgun at close range on maximum power that hit one of the shell holes from Gaunt's bolt pistol. That's "luck".

The second instance of Marines appearing in a Ghosts novel is in "Ghostmaker", and it's four Khorne Berzerkers ambushing a Basilisk convoy, and being counter ambushed at close range and cooked by flamers, plasma guns, rockets, and short range massed lasgun/storm bolter fire. Bear in mind that the Berzerkers were focused on ripping the Basilisks apart, and ignore the Ghosts during this. Berzerkers aren't well-known for moving away from their "RAWR SMASH!" for tactics, y'know.

The third instance is a single former Chaos Marine, Asphodel the Inheritor in "Necropolis". He dies to a blessed, master-crafted powersword. Again: "luck", and he still managed to scythe his way through several Ghosts and nearly killed Gaunt too.

The latest instance is kind of murky. It's implied that the Hunt Team in "Traitor General" are Traitor Astartes, but it's also entirely likely they're not. Power armor can be used by normal humans remember; and the rest of their descriptors don't seem Marine-ish but more like just genetically enhanced humans. They almost all die entirely to Gaunt's powersword, barring one who gets an entire friggin' satchel full of demo charges draped around his neck, another who gets his head blown of by three point-blank hotshot sniper rounds, and the final one who gets his head riddled with volleys of iron darts the size of a human being's arm being propelled at supersonic speeds by what amounts to a primitive railgun.

Enhanced regeneration or not, when you don't have a skull you're not getting back up.

So, tell me again what the problem is? Because I'm not seeing "scores" dying to common Guardsmen.

Mr Mystery wrote:Difference between Ultramarines and Bridget Jones? I have an interest in Ultramarines, and none whatsoever in Bridget Jones. The trailers for both show what sort of film are (genre if you will).

Your understanding of what a teaser or trailer is for is wrong. The purpose is not merely to inform the audence of what genre of movie it is. Any idiot could do that with a piece of paper that says "Ultramarines: The Movie. Genre: Military Sci-Fi." What a teaser or trailer is supposed to do is convince you that it is going to be a good movie, that you'd want to spend money to see. You want to see the movie, but is this because of this trailer, or despite it?

But to say the film will be a crap representation of said genre, just from the trailer, is a little too judgemental.

As Delephont said, this was their attempt, on their terms, to convince us the movie was worth seeing. If they can't even get that right, why should we give them the benefit of the doubt?

Kanluwen wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:Dont like the sound effects at all.
Bolters are shock and awe weapons, not pea shooters that sound lame and I never imagined power armour to sound like an empty suit of tin clanking about.

As for Abnett writing the story, THAT got me crap-all nervous. The guy is known to mangle marines like there is no tomorrow, anyone reading Eisenhorn or the Ghosts series will know what I mean. Marines are bumbling fools with the IQ of apes that die by the scores to common guardsmen and are even massacred by medieval blowpipe toting primitives when Abnett has his way.
Something tells me the poor Ultramarines will be a chapter short after this movie is done.

Um what?

Something tells me you haven't read Eisenhorn or the Ghosts series as well as you think you have......

Bravo Kanluwen, my first reaction was also What!? Much better than my version which might have ended more painfully for me.

The latest instance is kind of murky. It's implied that the Hunt Team in "Traitor General" are Traitor Astartes, but it's also entirely likely they're not. Power armor can be used by normal humans remember; and the rest of their descriptors don't seem Marine-ish but more like just genetically enhanced humans. They almost all die entirely to Gaunt's powersword, barring one who gets an entire friggin' satchel full of demo charges draped around his neck, another who gets his head blown of by three point-blank hotshot sniper rounds, and the final one who gets his head riddled with volleys of iron darts the size of a human being's arm being propelled at supersonic speeds by what amounts to a primitive railgun.

Nope, those were 5 traitor marines (implied by the reactions of the other traitor forces to them) walking into the woods to hunt for some primitives who were hiding and were armed with electric bow slings (no where did it say supersonic speeds and even if it did so what, common bullets travel often at supersonic speeds so?).
All 5 died almost instantly after bumbling into the camp like common day idiots and besides "normal" people dont wear marine power armour.
No squad tactics, no planning, no thinking, just lets split up and rush headlong into whatever traps there might be since primitives who had never even seen a lasgun surely cannot bring down us space marines (wow how wrong they were).

Besides how do you allow your neck to be draped by a satchel charge by a normal human if you are a marine? Bumbling, slow reaction fools I´d say. If it was a bar fight between drunks I could have bought that.
In reality I couldnt imagine even getting close to a 2.5 meter, 1 tone monster moving three times as fast as I and cleaving scores of enemies with each lightning fast swipe of his 2m long chainsword and ripping of flesh with his armoured fingers (Gav Thorpe) but hey, somewhat someone just climbed up 3 meters using a nice ladder or so and draped a satchel charge around his neck while taking his time to set the timer, how nice of the marine to allow that to happen.

Your post reeked as much of desperate Abnett-marine defense as did my of downgrading Abnetts marines, hehe

At least the guy redeemed himself in the Iron Snake novel (finally a proper description of space marines) but then again the ending was a tad strange, a space marine shouldnt pee his pants at the sight of an ork nob and he also made 1-to-6 melee odds for marines vs common ork boys look like extremely demanding, something I highly doubt from all the SM vs ork canon fluff I have read.
You know one single company offing 50 000 orks (Kyme) almost without breaking sweat and here we have 1000 Iron Snakes (Abnett) pissing their collective pants over an ork assault.

But as said, its a nice start, hopefully the consistency will stay there but I still very much feat for the poor ultramarines.

You can't really use the "reaction of the other traitor forces to them" as an example for "Oh, they were Traitor Marines", when in similar 40k novels Kasrkin and other Stormtrooper forces get the same kind of implied awe by the Guard forces.
Also?
Nowhere did it say they were wearing Astartes Power Armor.
Plus the "draped satchel charge around his neck" was done by someone who dropped out of a tree two-ish stories above the member of the Hunt Team, who was in the midst of pulverizing one of the Nihtgane tree-platforms. That same person who did the satchel charge damned near killed herself doing it.

I really don't like to knock anything especially before it comes out but i'm really not loving what i've seen so far, I was hoping that it was going to be better than the DoW2 intro but it appears not only is it not going to be as good it's going to look like 80's beast wars! and I'm a huge 80's fan but I like my graphics a bit closer to the wh40k that GW have been re building for the last few years with the descriptions of how things are and the still shots on the Ultramarine movie site it could still be awesome but i'm a bit more nervous now and not quite as wxited in the pants as I was previously.

I'm still very excited about this movie, I love 40k fluff and finally I'll get to see a full length movie about it. I hope it does well enough that they'll do more in the future.

You can't really use the "reaction of the other traitor forces to them" as an example for "Oh, they were Traitor Marines", when in similar 40k novels Kasrkin and other Stormtrooper forces get the same kind of implied awe by the Guard forces.

And you cant simply assume they were simple beefed up human hunters.
You know the sword cuts both ways.

Nowhere did it say they were wearing Astartes Power Armor.

Nowhere did it say they werent.
Although my assumption is supported by their size, power armour, incredible strenght and weaponry not to mention the command status they had.
What is your hunter-in-tin-armour opinion based on?

Plus the "draped satchel charge around his neck" was done by someone who dropped out of a tree two-ish stories above the member of the Hunt Team, who was in the midst of pulverizing one of the Nihtgane tree-platforms. That same person who did the satchel charge damned near killed herself doing it.

And I find it incredible that a marine with all their auto senses (even should he be without helmet) failed to see a near naked barbarian sitting 4 meters up in the very same tree said marine was charging.
Truly, bumbling fools AND blind at that.


Anyway, it doesnt really matter as people have shown to display a very wide take on marine fluff. Personally I tend to follow the IA fluff but then there are people who take kindly to things like Counter spews out, marines getting beaten by medeval cavalry and a company of marines getting routed by a company of arbites.
I kind of hope we wont see that level of ridicule in the upcoming movie.

Take your bitching elsewhere, please.

agreed! grandad marine looks real naff but hey smurfs die! winner! and also seconding that the final movie is hopefully of a better quality or else it will just ruin the huge efforts and build up this has been getting.

Mr Mystery wrote:

But to say the film will be a crap representation of said genre, just from the trailer, is a little too judgemental.

C'mon, I never said the film would be a crap representation of said genre, I said the graphics suck! Big difference.....the first DUNE movie with sting was a crap representation of the genre / Dune setting, AND it had crap graphics, but thats a different point.

It could well be that the story is amazing....I doubt it, cause if GW can't get the fluff "right" in novel form, they have no hope of doing it in movie format, but that remains to be seen. You know, if the story line is great, it will outweigh the crapiness of the visuals.....I guess we'll have to wait and see.

From page 32 of Traitor General. It is obvious that Uexkull is a chaos marine and has four others at his command. This is the squad sent into the Until that the Tanith and Nihtgane kill.


The etogaur had been gone for five minutes when Uexkull arrived. Attended by a coterie of four Chaos Marines, Uexkull clanked down the long hall in his burnished power armour, vapour wisping from the smoke-stacks rising from his back. He towered over Desolane, but still made an effort to bow.

..."A Patrol annihilated."
..."Astartes?"
"No, I don't think so." Desolane said. The huge warrior looked disappointed. "But mission specialists..."

If you've already made up your mind that it sucks, don't go buy it. There's no reason to just sit though it if you've decided ahead of time it's bad. But if you are able to keep an open mind between now and then, buy it and watch it. I'm going to. I like the subject matter, and I've seen much worse than the trailer showed, so I'm gonna buy it, as long as it's not a $50 DVD. Only thing I'm worried about, now that it occurred to me, is that GW will decide to charge game prices instead of DVD prices for their DVD.

That would be the only thing to hold me back too, I'd definately get it, but a 50 dollar DVD would not be cool.

burad wrote:But if you are able to keep an open mind between now and then, buy it and watch it.

++An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded++

Games Workshop has seen fit to provide evidence of their level of skill. Ignoring that evidence is foolish. Now, future trailers might remedy this failure, or reviewers might reveal that the creators are simply far worse at making trailers than they are at making movies, but unless this conflicting evidence comes to light I will not be buying a bad movie just because it has Space Marines in it.

^ You're joking, right?

Simonbarsinistr wrote:^ You're joking, right?

What makes you think I am? I'm saying these days I don't pay to see a movie unless I have a reason to think they're worth the price.

Iron Man had a great trailer. Avatar was directed and produced by the man responsible for many of my favourite movies. Primer had great word of mouth support. Unless Ultramarines can do something similar, I'm not going to buy it.

On a different tangent, I'm really not sure why GW decided to go with a craptastic studio like the one they did, best known for a kid's movie. Surely they've got enough name recognition to try to net themselves an actual studio with an actual budget, instead of whoring themselves to the basement dwellers who browse the B-movie racks?

Were Blur Studios busy or something?

Elmodiddly wrote:You compare GW making a film to the budgetary might of Bioware and Lucasarts? Really?

Why not, it's quite typical for producers to get funding from other sources. GWs turnover is irrelevant as the movie should be being financed by third parties who've been sold on the idea of the film and think it worth investing in.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Were Blur Studios busy or something?

Actually, I think they're busy making a comic book CGI adaptation.

cadbren wrote:Why not, it's quite typical for producers to get funding from other sources. GWs turnover is irrelevant as the movie should be being financed by third parties who've been sold on the idea of the film and think it worth investing in.

You think GW could have retained the rabid level of IP control that they are use to in that situation? Once someone starts giving you money, they're going to want a say.

I hate the looks of the movie. eh.
Space marines are suppose to retain their youth. In all the books i have read. They look young. And the helmets= fail
I'm sorry but thumbs down. If Dispatch films has 1 single CGI guy make a badass thing! Then these guys should be able to be able to make it look like a flipping badass movie! But no they make it look like a two yearold split paint on the bar and called it art.
I'm sorry but this is truly a disappointment! Now if you excuse me my older brother is telling me that he wants to make a live action flim for 40k

Like I said, if you've already made up your mind, don't buy it. I've seen LOTS worse, in live action movies as well. I've seen rocket ships on strings with sparks coming out the back (i'm pretty old). Doesn't mean it isn't a good story. If graphics are that important to you, I'm afraid real life is going to be somewhat disappointing as you get older.