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**Kanluwen**

Kroothawk wrote:No Chaos Dwarf range and official army book currently.

There never was an "official" army book from what I can recall. Just a Ravening Hordes army list.

**Just Dave**

There was an army book, I remember it. Was lovely, had a battle report in it and everything IIRC.
I particularly liked the Hobgoblins for some reason too.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me but I really remember there being an army book...

**AlexHolker**

Kanluwen wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:No Chaos Dwarf range and official army book currently.

There never was an "official" army book from what I can recall. Just a Ravening Hordes army list.

There was an official army book for 4th edition. I think it might have been a reprint of stuff that was originally in White Dwarf, though.

**Kanluwen**

AlexHolker wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:No Chaos Dwarf range and official army book currently.

There never was an "official" army book from what I can recall. Just a Ravening Hordes army list.

There was an official army book for 4th edition. I think it might have been a reprint of stuff that was originally in White Dwarf, though.

I just decided to Wikipedia it and here we go:

The background and rules for Chaos Dwarfs appeared in early editions of WFB and they were given several entries in Warhammer Armies and Slaves to Darkness for the 3rd edition as part of the Chaos army. For the 4th edition they became a full army in their own right, gaining a detailed background and full range of miniatures. However, unlike the other armies they were not given a proper Warhammer Armies book but instead had material that had already been published over several issues of White Dwarf issued as a single publication: White Dwarf Presents: Chaos Dwarfs. This included all of the standard army book contents but the material was not edited to work as a single book.

In the 1990s, the Chaos Dwarfs were a fully supported army but by the end of the decade the models were no longer stocked in Games Workshop stores due to lack of popularity with players. It was thought they would be removed from the game entirely, like the Squats in Warhammer 40,000. This turned out to be unfounded when Games Workshop published an army list for them in the supplement Ravening Hordes when 6th edition Warhammer was released. Despite this, there was next to no material about them in any Games Workshop publication for the following few years.

The Chaos Dwarfs are no longer directly supported as a full army like most in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle table top game. Their only "army book" is now out of date since the Ravening Hordes rules and Chaos Dwarf FAQ were removed from the Games Workshop website. There isn't a range of miniatures in the shops, but some of the miniatures were available from the Games Workshop Online Store for a time after the range was removed from the stores. However, around the end of 6th edition in 2005, the Chaos Dwarf miniature range was discontinued and made completely unavailable from Games Workshop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Dwarfs_%28Warhammer%29

So it sounds like the Chaos Dwarf "army book" was more an Index Astartes/Warhammer Annual styled thing rather than an army book proper.

**Kroothawk**

Right, for 4th edition there was a standard sized book including all info that is usually found in an army book, but was just a reprint of White Dwarf articles. Therefore "White Dwarf presents: Chaos Dwarfs - A Warhammer Supplement". So for all practical purposed it was an army book, but not officially called that. It was filled with bighat Chaos Dwarfs only.

BTW the pictured non-bighat Chaos Dwarfs were released before that.

**Just Dave**

Aaaah! That's the one I remember! OK, so not quite an army book it seems...

**Alkasyn**

Just Dave wrote:Aaaah! That's the one I remember! OK, so not quite an army book it seems...

It seems it is an army book in all but its name.

**wolfshadow**

I'm really hoping for GK in Feb. The promise of plastic GKs is what dragged me out of hiding after 6 years away from the hobby.

**AlexHolker**

wolfshadow wrote:I'm really hoping for GK in Feb. The promise of plastic GKs is what dragged me out of hiding after 6 years away from the hobby.

February is pretty much confirmed as the Blood Angels Wave 2 release, according to the Stormraven leak:

I painted this Stormraven to match the battleforce that I painted for the Blood Angels army workshop in February 2011's White Dwarf...

**Alpharius**

What else is in the BA Wave 2 release?

**Kroothawk**

The Furioso Cybot I guess.

**Dysartes**

Alpharius wrote:What else is in the BA Wave 2 release?

We're not even sure the SR will be in that wave, given the wording indicating the pictures SR was painted to fit in with a pre-existing article.

**AlexHolker**

Alpharius wrote:What else is in the BA Wave 2 release?

I'm thinking Stormraven, Furioso, the Librarian/Chaplain plastic kit and possibly a BA Battleforce. There might also be some updates of the old 2nd edition special characters, but that's just unfounded speculation.

Dysartes wrote:We're not even sure the SR will be in that wave, given the wording indicating the pictures SR was painted to fit in with a pre-existing article.

Remember that White Dwarf comes out earlier in the month than the releases do. So people would read the article around the 28th of January, then read the Stormraven online article around the 5th when the Stormraven is actually released.

**Kroothawk**

Frgt/10 over at Warseer confirmed the release date for the STorm Raven:

having seen multiple pictures of the stormraven (and the other feb releases for that matter); that is indeed the official GW model.
It looks awesome when you see it from other angles, and it comes with EVERY option in the BA codex.(...)
in fact as of feb it will be more than just BA and grey knights...

This means new GK Codex and miniatures, some BA release (Storm Raven for both, then Furioso and maybe Battleforce) plus something else which I guess is the wave 1.5 for Dark Eldar. Quite a lot for just one month

**AlexHolker**

Kroothawk wrote:Frgt/10 over at Warseer confirmed the release date for the STorm Raven:

in fact as of feb it will be more than just BA and grey knights...

This means new GK Codex and miniatures, some BA release (Storm Raven for both, then Furioso and maybe Battleforce) plus something else which I guess is the wave 1.5 for Dark Eldar. Quite a lot for just one month

I took that sentence as meaning the Stormraven would be more than just a BA and Grey Knights vehicle by then, i.e. being available for Space Marines in general.

**nosferatu1001**

Maybe WD rulespack, same as Nightspinner?

**Alpharius**

AlexHolker wrote:
Alpharius wrote:What else is in the BA Wave 2 release?

I'm thinking Stormraven, Furioso, the Librarian/Chaplain plastic kit and possibly a BA Battleforce. There might also be some updates of the old 2nd edition special characters, but that's just unfounded speculation.

Oh, please let THAT be one of the upcoming releases!

Has there already been rumors of that actually happening?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Maybe WD rulespack, same as Nightspinner?

I'd be shocked if GW DIDN'T do this. Makes $en$e after all...

**BrookM**

There have been mentions of a Lib/chap kit, but I'm a bit skeptical about this meself.

**Melissia**

Alpharius wrote:Has there already been rumors of that actually happening?

No.

GW's been pretty tight on rumor control recently.

And by control I mean Darth Vader style control.

**Whatever1**

BrookM wrote:There have been mentions of a Lib/chap kit, but I'm a bit skeptical about this meself.

Truthfully,the only real mentions I've seen of a plastic Lib/Chap kit are people wishing for one.

**AlexHolker**

Alpharius wrote:Has there already been rumors of that actually happening?

Stickmonkey suggested it might be a long way out, but this is pretty much their only chance of releasing it as part of a wave any time soon. Space Wolves are waiting for another wave but have their own unique look and a Chaplain/Apothecary hybrid, Grey Knights have their own unique look and are swamped by pseudo-Chaplain/Librarians anyway, Black Templars don't use Librarians, Dark Angel characters would wear robes...

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Sorry for the lack of patience, but this thread got to many posts, and i got few time to comment the start of it...

I read in somewhere that next Codex will be Daemon Hunters, no GK, and it will have some options for a "IG inclined" army or a "space marines inclined army".
Still beying pointless, but at least it will not be a reprint of "codex: sapace marines" with more cheesy options...

Maybe GW had discovered a new way to make money, bring new kids to the hobby and keep the old fans on it: do a Xeno Scum codex, fallowed by a Armored Eunuchs one, with a Mechanized Human Scum replacing the Xeno Scum sometimes...

I could not play where i am, except for online games, wich make me just love new plastics releases, because they give me beutifull detailed models to paint. So, i just hope that the plastic GKs comes in a similar way to the Dark Eldar, Space Wolves and Blood Angels: squads of 10 troops for around U$ 20 and 5 elite guys for around U$ 35.

When SoB comes, i hope they come as sexy armoured nuns, as i hope for plastic aspect warriors for eldars one day...

**Melissia**

What you want to read is here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/322631.page

Or on the BoLS Lounge (which keeps far more current than the actual blog itself, but then blogs suck anyway so that's fine):

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=8719

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The Dwarf Wolf wrote:When SoB comes, i hope they come as sexy armoured nuns, as i hope for plastic aspect warriors for eldars one day...

I hope not. If GW tries to overtly make them "sexy" they'll not only fail, they'll also insult their customers too.

**BrookM**

I just hope that the new Sisters see to it that they have a better hairstyle this time round. Some bald screaming heads would be ace.

**terribletrygon**

Hoping Sisters will get better non-fetish armour is a lost cause. It will never change. Though, you could swap out the corset and bra torso for a different one if it was all in plastic I guess.

But yeah; doomed to be 'sexy nuns' forever.

**Balance**

terribletrygon wrote:Hoping Sisters will get better non-fetish armour is a lost cause. It will never change. Though, you could swap out the corset and bra torso for a different one if it was all in plastic I guess.

But yeah; doomed to be 'sexy nuns' forever.

Eh. The Sisters, at least the classic models, really aren't that over-the-top fetishistic to me. The only real issues I could agree on is that the armor as designed is extremely ornate and form fitting.

Ornate is hard to argue in the context of 40k... The setting's whole "gothic styling in SPAAAAACE" really encourages that, what with the ships that look like old cathedrals and the Space Marines and other characters adorned with Purity Symbols and other tchotckes. The SoB are a weird mix of 'practical' and 'ceremonial' so the armor as-is looks like it was designed to be all-purpose as both a dress uniform and a field uniform. Again, a concept that works quite well in 40k where looking good on the battlefield seems to be a big deal.

Form fitting is a bit harder to defend, I admit. Still, the older models aren't particularly revealing and the armor is perhaps a bit like the 'detailed muscle' armor found in historical armor and the new Blood Angels. Because it's so much less armored than the Space Marine equivalent, I know I've said in the past I'd have been OK if it dropped a point of armor saves and was redescribed as 'power-assisted carapace' or some such. Assuming the points came down with this...

Still, some of the C:WH models were a bit over the top for me. The Sisters Repentia, for one, which I thought were a not-great idea combined with models that just didn't do it for me. The new canoness for that release, as well, had both very pointy boobs and a flaming backpack which I had to deal with as I thought they looked a bit stupid.

A certain amount of over-the-top design is really par for the course. I don't look at 40k and expect much more than a whiff of realism or even practicalness. I expect things to be outrageously overdone.

**Kroothawk**

terribletrygon wrote:Hoping Sisters will get better non-fetish armour is a lost cause. It will never change. Though, you could swap out the corset and bra torso for a different one if it was all in plastic I guess.

But yeah; doomed to be 'sexy nuns' forever.

In the grim darkness of the 41st century, men's fists are bigger than their brains and women are sexy.

**Chongara**

terribletrygon wrote:Hoping Sisters will get better non-fetish armour is a lost cause. It will never change. Though, you could swap out the corset and bra torso for a different one if it was all in plastic I guess.

The armor might not be so bad if you actually got the equipment they showed on it., what with all the light armor running around these days.

Joking aside though, plastic would be nice precisely because of that. You could add something new, or even just try to modify whats there as plastic is convert with than metal. It'd be nice to have some way to reasonable get sensible SoB models. Conceptually the faction is really great, however the the armor design is just a deal-breaker for me.

**Just Dave**

I think the armour of SoB was discussed at some length here and that it has little to do with the 'Codex Schedule'. Maybe it's just me though...

**Samus_aran115**

What if sisters got something like this:

Assisted Carapace armor- Grants the user a 4+ armor save. Failed armor saves may be re-rolled, but save on a roll of 6

? I agree it really isn't power armor. 11 points isn't enough for a 3+ save and 4 BS, IMO.