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Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

I didn't say this before, but I doubt that GW will increase them to true scale size. Rather if a size increase does happen I'd expect it to be in the 10-15% range. Which is fairly close to the last two size increases (RT to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition to 3rd edition). The benefit of a smaller size increase is that the vehicle kits can remain valid until GW decides to upgrade them. The Rhino is already ridiculously undersized, so it won't matter much if squads get upgraded first and vehicles come later. That's exactly what happened last time, by the way. GW waited till all the basic marine infantry kits were upgraded (Tact, Dev and Ass) before introducing the compatible vehicles (Land Raider first, than Rhino and variants).

I find IG are small enough - any smaller and they would be harder to paint

Better everything else gets bigger (plus it means GW can charge more!).


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jake wrote:

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

I didn't say this before, but I doubt that GW will increase them to true scale size. Rather if a size increase does happen I'd expect it to be in the 10-15% range. Which is fairly close to the last two size increases (RT to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition to 3rd edition). The benefit of a smaller size increase is that the vehicle kits can remain valid until GW decides to upgrade them. The Rhino is already ridiculously undersized, so it won't matter much if squads get upgraded first and vehicles come later. That's exactly what happened last time, by the way. GW waited till all the basic marine infantry kits were upgraded (Tact, Dev and Ass) before introducing the compatible vehicles (Land Raider first, than Rhino and variants).

People make them all sorts of sizes: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/306942.page

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

Granted I did ask and answer my own questions, but I was expressing my opinion on this rumor (in a similar fashion that others have posted, I might add).

If you don't like the way I posted my opinion, here's this. I like the idea of CSM and SOB in the supposed starter box. I don't see "true Scale" happening any time soon.

If it does happen, I would still buy it, since I enjoy the modeling aspect of this hobby and my clumsy hands don't work well with the TINY scale of the current ranges of 40K.

If you were just bull s g me, you can disregard this post.

Sorry, it's hard to relay tone on the interwebs. I do the same thing and was amused. I meant no offense.

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

That would make some of the Chaos Champions a cool 11ft tall right?

I can state with 99.99% surety that GW will NOT be "Truescaling" Marines for the next edition, or anytime soon, if at all.

A new starter box I can believe. Truescale? Hell no.

I can't wait to get my hands on some of those 12 foot tall 28mm scale marines.

WarOne wrote:I can't wait to get my hands on some of those 12 foot tall 28mm scale marines.

I second this. I'd love to be able to use properly scaled Marines that match their fluff.

Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

Alpharius wrote:I can state with 99.99% surety that GW will NOT be "Truescaling" Marines for the next edition, or anytime soon, if at all.

I also call "no way".

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

Granted I did ask and answer my own questions, but I was expressing my opinion on this rumor (in a similar fashion that others have posted, I might add).

If you don't like the way I posted my opinion, here's this. I like the idea of CSM and SOB in the supposed starter box. I don't see "true Scale" happening any time soon.

If it does happen, I would still buy it, since I enjoy the modeling aspect of this hobby and my clumsy hands don't work well with the TINY scale of the current ranges of 40K.

If you were just bull s g me, you can disregard this post.

Sorry, it's hard to relay tone on the interwebs. I do the same thing and was amused. I meant no offense.

Ah, no worries then.

WarOne wrote:

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

Pshaw, more like 12 to 15 if exposed to long campaigns.

No matter the size of you Marines, no matter the chapter, paint color, or base size... My Tyranids will snack upon their ankles and my Dark Eldar will play sports with severed Marine heads! I'm kidding about the sports part, I never got the impression that Dark Eldar like sports, they just have severed head collections, but I digress.

On topic: These are both interesting rumors, though I'm not sure I really believe either.

WarOne wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

I thought it was the Orks that got bigger the more violent they were and the more combat they saw.

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

WarOne wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

I thought it was the Orks that got bigger the more violent they were and the more combat they saw.

Indeed. Otherwise Dante would be about the size of a titan...

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

Again, for like the umpteenth frickin' time in this thread, Space Marines are NOT 9-10 feet tall.

withershadow wrote:

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

Again, for like the umpteenth frickin' time in this thread, Space Marines are NOT 9-10 feet tall.

No, modern regular space marines aren't 9-10 feet tall, but they used to be back in the heresy days, when the Gene Seed was more potent. That's why traitor Chaos Marines are 9-12 feet tall, the power of the warp mixed with pure geneseed mixed with millennia of slaughter give them their fearsome stature.

Also, remember that the Grey Knights are taller than regular space marines because of their pure geneseed and the gravity of Titan.

For my 12' marines, I might just look for some 54mm models!

I don't think GW likes the whole "true scale" modeling dealie anywhere near as much as a handful of folks on the Internet do. I'm perfectly happy with Heroic scale, because while it is a bit goofy, so is 40k.

I've always thought it a bit odd that the " Mighty space marines" were roughly the same size as Guardsmen.
Perhaps some new sculpts,reflecting Marines true statue (10-12 feet tall) would be in order.

I'm pretty skeptical of this rumour. True scale marines which properly represented the Marine's height of ~3m (on or around 9ft, 10 is for primarchs and extra tall marines) would make marine tanks ridiculously out of scale.

FITZZ wrote: I've always thought it a bit odd that the " Mighty space marines" were roughly the same size as Guardsmen.
Perhaps some new sculpts,reflecting Marines true statue (10-12 feet tall) would be in order.

Read the last like 4 pages of this thread to find out every reason why this shouldn't happen.

Da Boss wrote:I'm pretty skeptical of this rumour. True scale marines which properly represented the Marine's height of ~3m (on or around 9ft, 10 is for primarchs and extra tall marines) would make marine tanks ridiculously out of scale.

Marine height aside, I don't think it's possible to make nearly any 40k vehicle properly in scale. They'd be so gigantic it just wouldn't work. If a Rhino is supposed to carry 10 marines, each of whom is 9 feet tall, that Rhino would need to be 50% larger, A Land Raider would need to be at least as large as a Baneblade, and so on. It would skew everything.

But would look cooler, I think.

I think what every body needs to realise is that there is heaps of bull gak out there. I for one don't listen to rumors exept for this link which was sent to me by a friend who works at GW.

Ouze wrote:

Marine height aside, I don't think it's possible to make nearly any 40k vehicle properly in scale.

They'll just use Tonka trukks.

I want this to be true... but it clearly isn't.

Hope it's true......

I actually would be amused if they did truescale. That would mean marines get far less cover saves than they currently do!
!

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

All mine look far too small, but they are all first edition except for some out of the AoBR box.