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**lord_blackfang**

Kanluwen wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
So where were the people calling for Pete Haines or Cavatore's heads?

There were plenty.

There were plenty of people who I remember just thought they were twits. I don't remember people calling for them to be fired or physically harmed like they do for Ward.

You might be correct. Maybe Ward's "crimes" are bigger. Or maybe it's a sign of the times that people are more eager to see someone who they feel has wronged them get hurt, and think this is acceptable behavior. The global politics of the past 10 years certainly helped reinforce that viewpoint.

**necroplayer**

If everyone would go a few days (three to five) without pouring our money into GW would make on hell of an impression on them.

**Revarien**

necroplayer wrote:
If everyone would go a few days (three to five) without pouring our money into GW would make on hell of an impression on them.

Maybe online, but brick and mortar stores have already bought the merchandise from suppliers and the suppliers have in turn already bought from GW... imo, it might hurt your FLGS more than GW to be honest.

**EDIT** But if people orchestrated a wide-boycott of online sales... yeah, it might get their attention... I just am at odds with this news: On one hand I'm happy to have easy to mod materials, but I'm worried about melting point in the Oklahoma heat (running an errand or 2 before heading to the game-shop can get the car incredibly warm)... and I'm miffed about the price increase of course.

**Noisy_Marine**

Let GW know you care with your wallet. It's the only language they understand.

**Valhallan42nd**

I sent this off to GW late last night.

Dear Customer Service Representative,

I realize this isn't your fault. And I realize that this doesn't affect me, as I'm in America, not the Pacific Rim, but this is breaking my heart:

Taken from Maelstrom Games

Firstly, Games Workshop's new Terms and Conditions, which come into force on the 31st of May 2011. These, among other things, restrict the sale of language products - i.e., rulebooks and codices that are not in English - and, most crucially of all, restrict the sale of all of their products to the European Union, although there are a couple of countries (such as Norway and Switzerland) that are geographically within Europe but not in the EU that we can still sell to.

The full list of countries that we can sell GW products to is as follows:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom

Obviously this means that all of our faithful Games Workshop customers from the Anglosphere - Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States - as well as those from Brazil, Chile, Peru, Russia, Japan and South Korea (apologies for those countries I have missed out) will now miss out on our superb service and cheap prices, but I'm afraid the terms and conditions of our contract with Games Workshop mean that we have to say goodbye.

I look at this, and I wonder what the heck went wrong, and why I'm so upset about this. And I begin to realize a couple of things:

The company you work for, and I used to work for, has lost sight of the big picture in lieu of short term gains.
And despite the egregious price inequity in AU, Games Workshop HQ won't do the right thing and drop prices to reflect the current exchange rate of GBP to AUD, because they're worried about short term profit.
Despite the Finecast models being made of a cheaper raw material (since rising metal costs were the reason pewter got the nix), prices will rise.
Games Workshop upper mangement seems slow to recognize that other choice in games now exist

All this is disheartening to me. Not because Games Workshop is some vast evil conspiracy, no, because it's my hobby, and I love it. It just makes me feel like I'm in a relationship with an neglectful spouse at times. I want to love your company so much, but you make it so damn hard to do that. I know that in the long run, I've already made your bean-counters happy with my 17 years in the hobby, but damn it, I want you all to be here when I have a kid, so I can show them what it means to be a wargamer, and how much fun I had discovering all this. I just think if GW keeps on this current path, people are going to get fed up, and drop out.

If you can, pass this along the chain. See if someone can shake some sense into the upper management at GW before it's too late.

Matt

**Killamop**

This seems mildly childish guys? like I understand the frustration at the price increase (and a source would be nice one that btw) but at the end of the day you either play the hobby or you don't. If you have constructive criticism to give them then write a well thought out, reasonable and most importantly FACT FILLED email to HQ. Don't fill their FB page with infantile crap.
I will continue to support my local GW and will keep buying models (albeit at a slightly slower rate). What happened to getting on with your life? it's a hobby, a luxury an enjoyable way to pass the time. They don't NEED to do any of this. They enjoy it. So man the skak up and get on with it.

**necroplayer**

Maybe online, but brick and mortar stores have already bought the merchandise from suppliers and the suppliers have in turn already bought from GW... imo, it might hurt your FLGS more than GW to be honest.

Then maybe we should try and convince our local stores not to order from GW for a certain period of time because we're just not to purchase any of it until that period of time is up.

**Absolutionis**

People complaining about the price hikes on Facebook may not faze Games Workshop itself, but it'll at least spread the word to a wide population that otherwise doesn't browse forums such as DakkaDakka and Warseer.

Massive complaints may not change GW's mind, but it'll get the word out to the ignorant majority.

**SilverMK2**

Scottywan82 wrote:So, taking a look at some of the financial reports, it looks like it backs up what many folks here have been spouting off about.

SilverMK2's post on GW's wall wrote:I really cannot fathom just what you are doing GW. You are pricing yourself out of existence and alienating customers. Your non-announcements and utter lack of advertising outside of the “GW internal memo” style self promoting is quite fran...kly unbelievable. How can you expect to continue to exist on a continually diminishing customer base on “word of mouth” alone? LOTR was a huge chance to grab vast numbers of new players but look how that turned out. I don’t think I’ve seen a LOTR game being played in years.

Looking at your financial statements the figures show constantly declining sales "glossed over" with the raises in price helping to make up the shortfall.

The only reason you are staying afloat is because you are closing stores, cutting back the fat, etc... none of which are in any way sustainable. Is the ideal GW sales model a single guy somewhere buying a pack of 5 Space Marines for £100m? Because that seems to be where it is heading.

**Dracos**

All the adolescent complaining is what needs to stop. What needs to continue are the coherent posts of how this is going to affect each person.

For instance, warmachine/hordes is gaining popularity locally, and instead of getting a third army or even getting into WHFB, ill instead choose Warmachine/hordes.

GW has the privilege of hearing my intentions so they can decide, with all other data, how they want to proceed. Its fine if they want to continue with their annual 5-25% price increases. It just means they won't be selling their products to me anymore.

**warboss**

Valhallan42nd wrote:I sent this off to GW late last night.

Dear Customer Service Representative,

I realize this isn't your fault. And I realize that this doesn't affect me, as I'm in America, not the Pacific Rim, but this is breaking my heart:

But it does affect you, albeit not to the extent that it does under the equator. Your choices of whom you can order from will drop as of the date of the new policy. I *have* ordered from wayland and maelstrom despite having an equivalent option in the states (the exchange rates were favorable at the time). I *won't* be able to as of May 28th and neither will you.

**Just Dave**

Dracos wrote:All the adolescent complaining is what needs to stop. What needs to continue are the coherent posts of how this is going to affect each person

I agree man, but ultimately, it's what happens in such a widespread, public and anonymous form of discussion. Just need to sort the wheat from the chaff (or whatever the saying goes)...

**AgeOfEgos**

SilverMK2 wrote:
The only reason you are staying afloat is because you are closing stores, cutting back the fat, etc... none of which are in any way sustainable. Is the ideal GW sales model a single guy somewhere buying a pack of 5 Space Marines for £100m? Because that seems to be where it is heading.

lol, that was good.

**SilverMK2**

Hehe - I think one of my other posts caused someone to delete their post in shame

**jbunny**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:GW will close their own account?

There is a reason GW's site no longer has a message board.

**Mad4Minis**

Korraz wrote:
GW closed their own forums, when people started first to complain.

So let them. Let them keep sticking their heads in the sand, it will be all the more entertaining when the crash comes.

Well, that is unless for some reason known only to those on the inside they are trying to kill the company. Maybe some of the people want it to go bankrupt then buy up the IP as a private company again.

In the meantime I need to get the funds for 2 SM tac squads, 2 term squads, and 2 CSM tac squads. That should set me up with minis pretty well for the other system I use.

Would be a very small bummer if they tank before the new necrons come out...

**Kroothawk**

Noisy_Marine wrote:Let GW know you care with your wallet. It's the only language they understand.

Actually, they don't even understand THAT language, as the decade long decline in total revenue (inspite yearly price hikes by about 10%), sales and customers as featured in the annual reports show. Too bad that the shareholders don't understand that language either and let the current management continue.

**Mad4Minis**

Revarien wrote:
necroplayer wrote:
If everyone would go a few days (three to five) without pouring our money into GW would make on hell of an impression on them.

Maybe online, but brick and mortar stores have already bought the merchandise from suppliers and the suppliers have in turn already bought from GW... imo, it might hurt your FLGS more than GW to be honest.

**EDIT** But if people orchestrated a wide-boycott of online sales... yeah, it might get their attention... I just am at odds with this news: On one hand I'm happy to have easy to mod materials, but I'm worried about melting point in the Oklahoma heat (running an errand or 2 before heading to the game-shop can get the car incredibly warm)... and I'm miffed about the price increase of course.

I very rarely buy directly from GW...the vast majority comes from ebay discounters.

**nieto666**

Dracos wrote:All the adolescent complaining is what needs to stop. What needs to continue are the coherent posts of how this is going to affect each person.

For instance, warmachine/hordes is gaining popularity locally, and instead of getting a third army or even getting into WHFB, ill instead choose Warmachine/hordes.

GW has the privilege of hearing my intentions so they can decide, with all other data, how they want to proceed. Its fine if they want to continue with their annual 5-25% price increases. It just means they won't be selling their products to me anymore.

Ive been in and out of Hordes/Warmachine three times in the past four years. Its fun for awhile, then it becomes really old really fast, as everybody has some sort one two uber cheese combo to win by turn two by killing your caster. As I said old fast. I may not like the price hikes but Ill continue playing GW, just a few more buys over the next few motnhs and Ill be done with my last two works in project.

**Pacific**

Valhallan42nd wrote:I sent this off to GW late last night.

Dear Customer Service Representative,

If you can, pass this along the chain. See if someone can shake some sense into the upper management at GW before it's too late.

Matt

I think this is the best letter I have seen so far, nicely written and keeps to the point. I think it's important for those writing letters (and I do think that writing is a great idea) stay away from the juvenile, slightly rude sounding comments I have seen elsewhere. Remember, it's not a post on the internet that you are sending, and write like you are an adult in a business situation (which is exactly what this is_

I am going to write and post a letter from the far East. Who knows, that it costs a couple of $ to send, might well show how seriously I take this current round of changes?

**krazynadechukr**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:By posting complaints about price rises, southern hemisphere embargos, smelly redshirts, a lack of news and rumours shoddy rules, lack of tourney support....

Awwww....someone's a cranky pants and needs a new hobby......

**Ravenous D**

jbunny wrote:
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:GW will close their own account?

There is a reason GW's site no longer has a message board.

Give it a few days, once the noise has quieted down a bit they'll get their web lackys to delete all the negative posts.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Their wikipedia page has been updated (quite tastefully and without profanity to reflect the current happenings )

Anyone else care to add anything?

FWIW don't be lame, keep it high brow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_Workshop#Overview.2FHistory

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krazynadechukr wrote:
Awwww....someone's a cranky pants and needs a new hobby......

Don't need a new one, just one where I can purchse product at a similar price to people in the UK and US.
I have NO problem doing that.
You would complain if you had to pay Australian prices....

**WarOne**

Who the heck is that Jeff Minor guy?

I know he has good taste in sports teams (Yankees), but why is he defending GW by calling the "whiners" poor and unable to afford the game?

**The Night Stalker**

When will enough be enough? How expensive will a box of standard troops become before people start jumping ship, even now 10 space marines is close to 40$ and most vehicles are 50 and above.

**Blitza da warboy**

The Night Stalker wrote:When will enough be enough? How expensive will a box of standard troops become before people start jumping ship, even now 10 space marines is close to 40$ and most vehicles are 50 and above.

Welcome to the world of Canadian prices my friend!

**WarOne**

Blitza da warboy wrote:
The Night Stalker wrote:When will enough be enough? How expensive will a box of standard troops become before people start jumping ship, even now 10 space marines is close to 40$ and most vehicles are 50 and above.

Welcome to the world of Canadian prices my friend!

But Canada has it worse, as the American/Canadian exchange rate does nothing to help the Canadian GW prices. Those are still much higher there than in the US for retail values.

**The Night Stalker**

Soon US prices will become Canadian prices and Canadian prices will become Forgeworld prices, and then the apocalypse will be at hand, for Forgeworld along with all GW prices will be so high that the fabric of reality will tear under their unstoppable mass.

**DarknessEternal**

I let them know I care by purchasing their products.

The quality of the miniatures and state of the game are better than ever.

**Archonate**

Yeah I kinda see this going the way of the Official GW forums... I give it a year tops before they shut it down.