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I am leaving GW because of the way they are conducting themselves. I don't begrudge them the right to make money, they are a buisness and that is why you make a buisness. When you treat you customers like garbage then I have an issue. If the decide to play nice again then sure, I will buy from them again. Until then though I am finished.

Lost Boyz wrote:I plan on continuing with GW.

I make all my 'big' purchases in the 'used' and 'trade' market anyway, I only buy new to get something specific and extra bits to convert with. You really can do well on a budget (of sorts!). I still think their stuff is the best looking and most interesting. I just fail to get interested in other systems (like WM) - maybe I will try them out sometime.

As a businessman, I can see that their price increase is important, since they WILL be selling less. All businesses have to raise their prices all the time. You have to. I do. What do you think is costing LESS for ANY company? Everything costs more - the only thing that can be cheaper (sometimes) is people, and you don't want to hire 'cheap' people!! Yikes! Wanna stay in business? You either 'grow' or 'go'. There is no such thing as 'just stay the same as you were years ago'. Won't work, can't happen.

I have given up any budding plans in my brain to start a WHFB army. Too much $$$ to start into it.

My fear is if they lose customers, they may fail to get new ones -- if the entry price is too high - and that affects my (and my son's) future pool of 40K opponents!

Oh well, no nerdrage from me yet... I just bought some great Battlefleet Gothic stuff from Bartertown!! Time to learn a new game!!

This was one of the more refreshingly objective posts out there.

You do raise a fear; I have been unable to get any of my university friends to start 40k, even when they've shown an interest. Why? Because they say it's too ridiculously expensive. My main criticism of GW is that they seem to rely on compulsive spoilt children to make massive one-off purchases whereas the real gamers seem to be a dying breed.

Henners91 wrote:the real gamers seem to be a dying breed.

no, real gamers just play real (affordable) games

I will buy more GW models however these will be 2nd hand.
I'll be moving to other paints as well.

I feel as a long time customer I've being taken for a mug for far too long, this last spate of business changes is the straw that broke this camels back.

If there was ever a reason to try out new systems then this is your in.

I am leaving GW mainly because of how they have been handling themselves the last few years. It's been a slow decline and quite frankly the company that I knew 11 years ago is not the same company now. The current events are the straw that broke the camel's back for me (the camel's back being repeatedly smashed by a sledge hammer wielding Mark Wells). I decided to cut my losses and move on to greener pastures. I doubt I will ever return to GW unless they do something radical (such as firing Matt Ward and releasing a new CSM codex by the end of next year).

I did my research into alternate games and have decided to get into Warmachine. The low model count and price as well as the greater tactical aspect and overall flexibility of Warmachine appeals to me. Privateer Press seems like a nice company and they remind me of how GW used to carry itself 11 years ago when I first joined the hobby (a company that puts its fans and the game first). I've recently purchased a 25 point starter Cryx force and have high hopes ahead of me.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Henners91 wrote:the real gamers seem to be a dying breed.

no, real gamers just play real (affordable) games

No true Scotsman...

Pretty much I am leavin GW, oh hello Wayland Games! Its pretty much a case of I will still play 40K and FB since I just started HE. Since all of my games take place in a GW store it has to be GW models, so until GW bring the prices down then Wayland Games will be getting my money.

I already know that GW gets a cut of the cash I give to Wayland Games, but the less they get from me the better.

The only full price I will be paying is if I cant get it cheaper elsewhere or some of the finecast models just to see what resin is actually like.

Although I am kind of angry at the fact the hobby that I love is being made so expensive, I have never really ever bought directly from GW, I've always used my FLGS and ebay (I'll probably use Ebay even more now). I am angry that GW is gving no love to the discount sites, but I also understand that they need to make money in order to keep it alive. GW is an "evil company" at times, but they are the company that makes 40k, so I'll stay with them, admittedly with less stuff bieng bought from them.

i stopped buying GW product over a year ago. They lost me as a customer. im all in Warmahordes and Malifaux now.

but i still have my GW armies.

No change here.

Yup

Even though my army I'm working on isn't really finished, I'm committed to boycotting Games Workshop. Now is the best time to do it (when everyone else is doing it), because it gives us a much better chance of being noticed by GW. That can only mean fairer prices and service for all of us.

The way I see it is this...

I can last longer without making any purchases than GW can last without making any sales

This is why I think everyone should stop buying, even if it is just for a few months. Be honest; all of us have plenty of stuff we could be getting on with, that we don't have to buy anything there for a few months. I've got enough minis to keep me going for years if I wanted to.

Even if you couldn't care less about boycotting GW, I would still urge you to just focus on your painting and converting for a few months instead of buying stuff at GW. If we all did this together, then in a few months we could all go back and buy the same stuff we have been meaning to at much more reasonable prices.

I know it isn't easy, new releases look so tempting etc... But it only takes one look at their new prices to remind you of why this needs doing. How about a little solidarity?

I considered getting involved with Warhammer and all that, but decided instead to stick with smaller 1/72 scale figures as they are cheaper, have more in a box, and are of a reasonable quality. A box of 48-50 troops or 1-2 tanks is usually about NZD$17, or roughly US$14, according to my currency converter. They are good for building up proxy armies, take up less space, and can be converted to look more like the real thing. Imperial Guard Tiger Tank, anyone?

I don't buy much from GW directly, aside from the paints, so this won't affect me as much in the long run.
Heck, I don't buy that much, period. Poor college student.

Bought the Krieg army I've always wanted, and now I've really got nothing else that I want from them anymore. Had I not been planning my Krieg for months now, I wouldn't have bought them either.

Too expensive to tempt me with any further armies, no more planned upgrades for my current armies, and too expensive to justify any impulse by anymore.

Sorry GW, I'm done.

In all honesty, I have enough Marines to last me a while in any case, so my overall spending habits wouldn't benefit GW, except a few things from /my LGS. It doesn't really help their cause that just about everything I need is already OOP or 3rd party stuff.

As far as my nerdrage, meh...

Done and done and never looking back.

I was wondering what all the fuss about the whole Finecast escapade was until I saw the prices.

So, let me get this straight GW. I'm now getting one extra Uruk-Hai Berserker / Crowwbowman in each pack, but paying almost double the price...

I'll keep playing at my club, because I love my Eldar, but I think Warmachine might become my primary source of wargaming purchases now.

Well, it looks like the voting is winding down now.

Thanks very much to all those who took the time to vote and post. For what its worth I'm writing my own letter to GW this weekend and will be including the results of this poll - that won't be until later today or tomorrow so there's still time if you haven't voted!

I will, of course, post any reply I get from GW so we'll see how they respond to some fairly persuasive numbers.

Thanks again, C_C

Fairly good sample though

I stopped buying GW games for years, I still play an occasional epic battle but for 28mm We are now playing FUBAR, where we can use any mini we like, We also don´t follow the official 40k background, We have our own look on 40K universe! (It sounds heretic...).
Anyway GW makes some great minis and I still buy some, but very chosen ones and very few, and if possible at an independent retailer!
We have a lot of 28mm stuff collected for years, but if I must to start now I think I will go for 15mm sci-fi!

Chimera_Calvin wrote:
For myself, this 2 week gakstorm has finally driven me away from GW after 23 years of loyal (if increasingly frustrated) custom - I feel genuinely gutted but you have to draw a line somewhere. Following a chat with the other guys I play with regularly, we're all going to start something new (not decided what yet - Warmahordes is current favourite) so thats at least 4 customers lost.

We all know that only losing customers will force GW to change, but how many of you will actually give up?

*raises hand* yup. Finecast was the final straw. I really didnt need the reviews, good or bad, to make that decision. I dont want resin/plastic models. I like metal. Correction, I love it. It has weight and feel to it, it has value and it holds up very well. I have a ton of metal models. GW and reaper and other.

SO I dropped a bunch of money on warmachine faction, lining up what in my basement has to get sold and whats getting put away. Sad, because I was looking folward to a SOB release, but if they release them in finecast, I wont buy it.

For me it's dependant on my local group. There's quite a few people in the surrounding area who exclusively play Games Workshop games. If we can get more on the WarmaHordes kick a small number of us is getting into, I'll probably drop from GW altogether. Play the occasional game with my current armies as they are, and switch to giving Privateer Press my business.

But, unfortunately, it doesn't do any good to switch games if no-one else is playing, so if we can't get more WarmaHordes people than I'll probably still buy the occasional bit from GW just to keep things different.

That's the only way to do it. Remember at one time (a long time ago!) no-one played GW games, but the popularity of the game (because of both it's accessibility and style) made it become the common game to play. Run some intro games with friends if you have the minis, I think any of the games like WarmaHordes/Infinity/FoW and the like will pull in new players when they see the game.

I think WarmaHordes has already hit the 'tipping point' of becoming a huge international game which, while not anything like as well known as GW's stuff, is getting there and getting much more recognition. This latest 'push' from GW means that some of the others, Infinity and the like, might well be pushed into that category as well soon.

Henners91 wrote:
...You do raise a fear; I have been unable to get any of my university friends to start 40k, even when they've shown an interest. Why? Because they say it's too ridiculously expensive.

I do see that as the main issue with GW games, especially 40K. They require a lot more models to play their standard games. The answer to that is not to play standard games. Play 750pts or 400pts Combat Patrol - I played Combat Patrol for the first time a couple of weeks ago and it was a blast. Obviously there is no way GW are going to advertise this kind of play; when I started last year Spearhead rules came out. While their sales pitch on Spearhead went in one ear and out the other with me I can see it putting some new players off.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Henners91 wrote:the real gamers seem to be a dying breed.

no, real gamers just play real (affordable) games

Seriously?
Cost doesn't even enter into it for the 'real gamers' I know. Eating is not always an option; buy a game or buy lunch? I know plenty who would buy the game, I've done it myself
It's the casual gamers that the price rises are going to push away IMO. Real Gamers are gaming 'til death

I've been a long time fan but I have slowly over time diverted expenses to other games and systems (Dust Tactics and the FFG RPG's come to mind), not to mention the discovery of other companies out there with spiffy minis. I still buy the odd mini but I've got a feeling my days of big purchases at GW are over.

Haven't bought anything since Space Hulk was republished. And before that I had not grabbed anything for almost a year so with increased price rises I will not be buying anything from GW in the foreseeable future. I will probably grab used stuff off of Ebay to finish off the armies I would like to complete. It is just gotten too expensive and my interests are starting to move more into historicals which have plenty of cheap and well sculpted options.

I'm serously cutting down my purchases, in fact I may stop entirely. I may still ask for GW miniatures as gifts, if someone intends to spend that much on me, but not any plesin rubbish. I'm not boycotting, but the state of things is ridiculous. I can't afford to buy much myself anymore, prices are now astonishingly high (50% more than just a coupke of years ago on many items) and i have a limited income, bills to pay and a kid to provide for. Quality has seemingly just gone down the toilet. GW are using every dirty trick they can think of to cut off our access to third-party discounts. They bully people over spurious IP claims, they fire staff (sometimes high-ranking, long-serving creative heads) for failing to toe the line. They're are becoming secretive to the point of paranoia, thus reducing my interest and my ability to save for upcoming releases. They release products I want as limited editions, with no warning. And this is just a partial list of their gak. I've really had enough.

There are few more things I really want and will probably get one way or another, eventually. But whereas I was buying quite a lot, I will be getting very little from now on. When i next have money for miniatures it will probably go on Mantic minis. I've been wanting some of their zombies for a while.

Had already stopped really before now being priced out overall. Still got enough to play still if I want to.

I am considering leaving Dakka though. It's done far worse in the last few weeks; this thread and it's copies included.

All this petulant whining has gone too far.

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