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H.B.M.C. wrote:though a few of those people judge all Clone Wars on that animated movie they put out, which is a silly way to judge an entire series

qft
I can only recommend to give the CGI series a try. Worst case you don't like it and move on.

And +1 about the (re-)introduction of EU stuff (like Z-95 starfighters) or generally seeing the series move ever closer to what we know of the era from EP4-6, such as with the early Y-Wings in this trailer:
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000764.html

Chimaera wrote:If your interested in seeing photos of the new X-Wing product check out the posters blog in the link below.
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=254&efcid=6&efidt=531045
The quality certainly looks better than WOTC Starship Battles and the game mechanic appears more in depth.

Phew, that does look intrigueing!

Makes me wish they'd add capital ships as well. Not necessarily star destroyers, but maybe corvettes and frigates?

Do you have a sense of the size? the tie fighters look a little to small relative to the x-wing

Manchu wrote:Do you have a sense of the size? the tie fighters look a little to small relative to the x-wing

It's the same scaling problem that the Micromachines had, actually.

Manchu, you had the same thought I did, it seems. They REALLY look like the Micromachines. In fact, I ran up and grabbed a couple of my MM X-wings and they're so identical, I wouldn't be surprised if FFG some how had bought(or borrowed) the molds off of Hasbro(they purchased Galoob in '99).

Platuan4th wrote:... I wouldn't be surprised if FFG some how had bought(or borrowed) the molds off of Hasbro(who, incidentally, shares the SW License).

The SW licence is broken up into all sorts of different categories... That's what prompted the fall-out over Wizkids' press-out starfighter game. WotC had the rights to Miniatures games, but Wixkids got away with it as their game was technically a card game, not a miniatures game.

Similarly, I would suspect that while Hasbro has the rights to make board games and toys, there would be some sort of distinction made between board games and miniatures games or card games.



And yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they're using the same sculpt as the MicroMachines fighters. They've popped up in a few different places over the years. I have a Star Wars Battleships game that has soft rubber ships that, aside from being made from soft rubber, are also very similar... Never compared them one to one, but they look about right.

insaniak wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:... I wouldn't be surprised if FFG some how had bought(or borrowed) the molds off of Hasbro(who, incidentally, shares the SW License).

The SW licence is broken up into all sorts of different categories... That's what prompted the fall-out over Wizkids' press-out starfighter game. WotC had the rights to Miniatures games, but Wixkids got away with it as their game was technically a card game, not a miniatures game.

Similarly, I would suspect that while Hasbro has the rights to make board games and toys, there would be some sort of distinction made between board games and miniatures games or card games.

Yeah, it was more a point towards they'd be willing to loan/sell them to FFG as they're not in direct competition w/ regards to the license. I actually had to look up that Hasbro was the one who purchased Galoob.

I need this...

I noticed today that they've got both of these games up for demo here at GenCon, and I'm hoping to get a chance to try them out tomorrow. If I can, I'll try to get some pics.

The ships looked to be about the size of the old micromachines, maybe a little smaller.

I'll do what I can!

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/media/genconplayer.html

There's a little bit more info in the video in the above link.


.. man, Gencon looks great .. one day...

Road trip?

I think they call it "re-militarizing" in Germany.

The tie fighters and X-Wings look great for this game.

I wasn't impressed with the card game.

I got to play the ship battles game at gen con and can say it was tons of fun. The tie fighters seemed a little small compared to the xwings but not by much. Besides they're not the final miniatures apparently and are kind of fragile. the guy running the table said they where trying to do everything to scale with everything else. All in all it was lots of fun. I'll certainly be getting it when it comes out.

In agreement with the poster who wants plastic multi-pose Stormtroopers and a Star Wars skirmish game. Also a squad level minis game would be good. Wouldn't mind a new RPG, as long as it doesn't involve D20. (Actually played a D20 Star Wars RPG campaign and enjoyed it, but that was mainly due to the GM and the group. There are cleaner RPG systems than D20.)

I like these minis, and like other systems that I dont play, the rules dont affect my purchase decision.

I enjoyed X-wing, and will get some pictures up in the next day or two. There was a big notice saying basically what MrBakelsworth up there said, that the game is still in early development and the minis were fragile resin stand-ins that may or may not represent what the final product will be like, and that a lot of the point costs and whatnot are still in development.

It was a fun game though. I can't say how similar it is to Wings of War because I've never played that, but several of the people in my group remarked on the similarities as well. The way the game worked, each pilot in the battle was ranked according to skill. At the very beginning, everyone would place a command marker face down saying how their ship(s) would move that turn (speed, direction-chosen from a number of templates). After that they'd take their movement from least skilled pilot to most skilled and choose what action to take that turn. The actions were things like locking on to an enemy (re-roll misses), focusing (roll more dice for attack or defense), evasive maneuvers (re-roll failed defense), emergency repairs, or TIE fighters could barrel roll (lost my last 1v1 because of this, blast it! ). After all the movement, every ship could make an attack, starting with the most skilled pilot and working on down to the least skilled. Then the next turn would start.

The guy running us through was one of the developers, and we talked a bit about what would come in the future. The starter will more than likely just be X-Wings and TIEs, like the demo, with single-ship non-random releases in the future. I asked about expanded universe stuff, and he replied that it's possible but they want to work on all of the in-universe stuff like A-wings, B-wings, Interceptors, etc before they get into anything from the EU.

The best news by far was when he was asked about ships from 'those other three movies.' "What other three movies?"

I'm sorry, B-Wings and A-Wings?

Damnit FFG. Damn you and your desire to access my bank account.

Zefig wrote:<detailed description>

Thanks for posting this, I guess that settles it for me. I'm soo going to buy that.

*Waves hand* I have already given you the money Mr FFG person.

Everytime FFG releases a new product I have to smile... they seem to know what they're doing.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm sorry, B-Wings and A-Wings?

Damnit FFG. Damn you and your desire to access my bank account.

Exactly... for the sake of completeness maybe some Y-wings too?

aka_mythos wrote:Everytime FFG releases a new product I have to smile... they seem to know what they're doing.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm sorry, B-Wings and A-Wings?

Damnit FFG. Damn you and your desire to access my bank account.

Exactly... for the sake of completeness maybe some Y-wings too?

That's implied, Mythos!

Everyone knows you can't have Crosses and Pointers without some Wishbones and *tries to remember Imperial slang for an X-Wing, fails miserably*.

Anyways. Yeah. I think I'll be painting up a few squadrons.

Y-wing please. I know it's a bomber but still, it's my fave.

Lynata wrote:

Zefig wrote:<detailed description>

Thanks for posting this, I guess that settles it for me. I'm soo going to buy that.

Hey, no problem, I'm excited about it all too

aka_mythos wrote:Everytime FFG releases a new product I have to smile... they seem to know what they're doing.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm sorry, B-Wings and A-Wings?

Damnit FFG. Damn you and your desire to access my bank account.

Exactly... for the sake of completeness maybe some Y-wings too?

I got the impression they'd be working on getting out all the ones from the movies, so I'd assume the Y-wing would be included too. Examples rather than a comprehensive list and all that.

I just hope they DO eventually make good on expanded universe stuff. I'd love to see some Z95s, TIE Defenders...maybe even some of the weirder ones like the TIE/Ds, the cloaked ones from Rebel Assault 2, etc.

I'd guess the Sun Crusher would be a bit overpowered.

Now that I think of it, he also mentioned being able to pick up named character with special abilities/better stats for more points, and mentioned that they were already nearly done with Luke. All the models they had were random rebel and imperial pilots, and the most specific they got was "Red Squadron Leader." They also had additional equipment you could buy, like astromechs to help fix your shields and proton torpedoes, although the torpedoes weren't used in the demo I played.

reds8n wrote:
Most interested in the RPG and miniature games...

... hmm... lot of ex GW design studio guys writing for FFG now eh ?

.. Plastic multi part Stormtroopers would just... *takes a breath* let's see what happens, I'm sure anything like that , if it even happens, is a long, long way off.

You'd be surprised. It may be a lot sooner than you think.