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more than one million women were raped in the 12 months prior to the survey, estimates show

Not laughing about the rape but uh... estimates prove something?

It's an article about statistics. If you want to extract anything useful out of it then you have to understand how the statistics were derived because with careful tweaking you can make a statistical study say almost anything. That said the original article includes a link to the actual study for once so you can dig that kind of stuff out. Go BBC I suppose on that count.

Tyyr wrote:

more than one million women were raped in the 12 months prior to the survey, estimates show

Not laughing about the rape but uh... estimates prove something?

So I presume that you never estimate anything in your life, and you only ever take action or give a damn when you see precise numbers?

(hint, this is false, only someone who is mentally deficient would do such)

Too few men reported rape by an intimate partner to produce reliable prevalence estimates. Approximately 1 in 12 men in the United States (8.0% or approximately 9 million) has experienced sexual violence other than rape by an intimate partner in his lifetime (Table 4.6). This includes being made to penetrate an intimate partner (2.2%), sexual coercion (4.2%), unwanted sexual contact (2.6%) and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences (2.7%). In the 12 months prior to taking the survey, 2.5% or nearly 2.8 million men experienced sexual violence other than rape by an intimate partner

mattyrm wrote:

Well, alright then Ill try a different approach. Does it actually bother a bloke?

I mean, If I was walking home from the pub and I got shot with a tranq dart, woke up tied to a table an hour later whereupon a big fat ginger bird with teeth like a witch-doctors necklace showed me a bizarre selection of pornography ala "A clockwork Orange" and then bounced on me till she got her rocks off before fleeing the scene, I think Id probably just go home for a long shower and then go back to the pub the next day..

"you lot aren't going to fething believe what some honking bird made me do yesterday!"

Matt, between this post and the one you did before, I'm convinced you should be writing novels or for the movies. I about pissed me britches laughing!

It's always fun to aggrandize yourself and make yourself out to be a tough guy, saying if something happens you'll not be bothered at all.

Lux_Lucis wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:That is one of the arguments around the issue.

There are women from the 60s who say that in those days they sometimes consented reluctantly to sex in circumstances where actually they would have preferred not to have sex, because it was less trouble than having a row about it. They did not consider this rape as such, merely an episode of bad sex.

These same women say that modern women do consider such circumstances to be rape, and will complain about it in surveys, which helps explain the higher reporting of rape.

Remembering that in the UK until 1994, a wife was deemed to have consented in perpetuity to sex with her husband.

1991, not 1994. R v R, House of Lords. Most previous cases had found other ways to prosecute though that didn't require a clarification of that point of law.

1991 then. The point still stands.

Relapse wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Well, alright then Ill try a different approach. Does it actually bother a bloke?

I mean, If I was walking home from the pub and I got shot with a tranq dart, woke up tied to a table an hour later whereupon a big fat ginger bird with teeth like a witch-doctors necklace showed me a bizarre selection of pornography ala "A clockwork Orange" and then bounced on me till she got her rocks off before fleeing the scene, I think Id probably just go home for a long shower and then go back to the pub the next day..

"you lot aren't going to fething believe what some honking bird made me do yesterday!"

Matt, between this post and the one you did before, I'm convinced you should be writing novels or for the movies. I about pissed me britches laughing!

Thanks mate! Ive got loads of hoofing stories from my time in the RM, but sadly 90% of it isn't suitable for dakka.

Monster Rain is meeting me in San Diego in a fortnight though, and I shall regale him with the always popular heartwarming tale about that time I was sexually assaulted.

mattyrm wrote: Monster Rain is meeting me in San Diego in a fortnight though, and I shall regale him with the always popular heartwarming tale about that time I was sexually assaulted.

And you may end up with a new tale to tell!

Monster Rain wrote:

mattyrm wrote: Monster Rain is meeting me in San Diego in a fortnight though, and I shall regale him with the always popular heartwarming tale about that time I was sexually assaulted.

And you may end up with a new tale to tell!

Hmm..

I best stick to 15 pints then.


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halonachos wrote:Turns out that male-male rape may be more prevalent than male-female.

Well obviously! That was my point, sure it is possible for a bloke to get raped by a woman, but it's probably way more common for a bloke to get attacked by several men, have the gak beat out of him and then get forcibly raped by a large irate homosexual, I mean ive actually read several stories about that happening over the years.

My point was it must be really hard for a lass to actually rape a bloke.. bloke on bloke, not so tough. Having the power to phsyically overpower and rape someone has to be far far more common than using some bizzare chain of events that would allow a woman to rape a man. And by that I mean a man get forced to have intercourse with her, not get tied up and reamed by an obese lesbian with an Italian waiters pepperpot strapped to the front of her overalls.

Being coerced into sex is not a "bizarre chain of events".

You've really got this idea of rape suck in your head where a person is attacking and holding someone down. That is not how most rapes are.

Most of the time when a man rapes a woman, it is not even like that, so why are you assuming a woman would need to overpower a man?

And I thought we were done with this, why are you talking about it again? If you bring it back up, I will start arguing it again.

Rented Tritium wrote:Being coerced into sex is not a "bizarre chain of events".

You've really got this idea of rape suck in your head where a person is attacking and holding someone down. That is not how most rapes are.

I have because the image of a fat woman raping a skinny bloke armed with a mace is funnier, also because of common sense though!

Honestly, how does a woman manage it without drugs or some inexplicable chain of events.. just tell me this then, how does a young man get raped by a young woman realistically.. just talk me through how you reckon one could go down, because I'm genuinely interested.

Secondly, how common do you think it is? I mean, really?


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actually my mates just rocked up and were off to the boozer, we can do this tomorrow!

mattyrm wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:Being coerced into sex is not a "bizarre chain of events".

You've really got this idea of rape suck in your head where a person is attacking and holding someone down. That is not how most rapes are.

I have because the image of a fat woman raping a skinny bloke armed with a mace is funnier, also because of common sense though!

For some reason I like to picture her wearing an eye patch.

mattyrm wrote:[...] then get forcibly raped by a large irate homosexual,

More likely the attacker is bisexual leaning towards straight, statistically speaking, and that there just wasn't a woman around to victimize (if you're referring to prison).

mattyrm wrote:

Relapse wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Well, alright then Ill try a different approach. Does it actually bother a bloke?

I mean, If I was walking home from the pub and I got shot with a tranq dart, woke up tied to a table an hour later whereupon a big fat ginger bird with teeth like a witch-doctors necklace showed me a bizarre selection of pornography ala "A clockwork Orange" and then bounced on me till she got her rocks off before fleeing the scene, I think Id probably just go home for a long shower and then go back to the pub the next day..

"you lot aren't going to fething believe what some honking bird made me do yesterday!"

Matt, between this post and the one you did before, I'm convinced you should be writing novels or for the movies. I about pissed me britches laughing!

Thanks mate! Ive got loads of hoofing stories from my time in the RM, but sadly 90% of it isn't suitable for dakka.

I can vouch for that. Most of it isn't suitable for me, and I'm, well, me!

mattyrm wrote:Honestly, how does a woman manage it without drugs or some inexplicable chain of events.. just tell me this then, how does a young man get raped by a young woman realistically.. just talk me through how you reckon one could go down, because I'm genuinely interested.

Most male on female rapes are NOT forcible. Why should female on male rapes be any different? Social pressure makes men not fight back against women. They're afraid of being ostracized. They're afraid of being called gay. The rapist may even say she'll tell everyone he raped her if he doesn't, etc.

Believe it or not, a boner and failure to fight back does not constitute consent.

You can meet the requirements for rape with a very aggressive girl and a guy who's embarrassed to say no. You can meet them with a female boss or a coworker demanding or coercing sex. You can meet them with a very drunk man and a predatory woman.

Basically it can happen in all of the exact same ways a woman can be raped without force.

But I suspect you're one of those people who thinks that it's not real rape unless force is used, given some of your posts itt.

Women can anally rape a man with implements. It does happen.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Women can anally rape a man.

However, there are not in this country gangs of horny women going around pegging men with strapons.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Women can anally rape a man with implements. It does happen.

This is still missing the point. The rapist does not have to penetrate the victim. ANY sex act which one of the parties does not consent to is rape. If the woman coerces the man into penetrating her, that is still rape. The person doing the penetration does not need to be the rapist. The penetration rape connection is a complete misnomer.

Melissia wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Women can anally rape a man.

However, there are not in this country gangs of horny women going around pegging men with strapons.

Indeed. Frankly, who cares, get off it. You're effectively trolling the topic at this point.

As a pretty well-build bi-sexual man it does amuse me when men (usually of a certain "type") take a cavalier attitude towards rape/sexual assault.
Wonder how much they'd like it if I did that to them? Or made them do something that wasn't penetrative and therefore didn't count.

Joey wrote:As a pretty well-build bi-sexual man it does amuse me when men (usually of a certain "type") take a cavalier attitude towards rape/sexual assault.
Wonder how much they'd like it if I did that to them? Or made them do something that wasn't penetrative and therefore didn't count.

Seriously though, that was a pretty crazy thing to say.

Monster Rain wrote:
Seriously though, that was a pretty crazy thing to say.

Saying that a "real man" shouldn't mind being raped is a fair bit crazier, I think.

First of all, that's a bit of a misrepresentation of Matty's point.

Secondly, even if that was exactly what Mattyrm said, no it isn't a crazier thing to say.

It's really not.

Rented Tritium wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Seriously though, that was a pretty crazy thing to say.

Saying that a "real man" shouldn't mind being raped is a fair bit crazier, I think.

That was kind of my point.
Wonder how matty would mind if I held a knife to his throat and made him do things? Don't think he'd like it very much.

Monster Rain wrote:Secondly, even if that was exactly what Mattyrm said, no it isn't a crazier thing to say.

How do you figure?

One is a one-off joke concerning someone's legendary masculinity, and the other is musing about raping another poster.

It hurts me to have to explain this.

Joey wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:
Seriously though, that was a pretty crazy thing to say.

Saying that a "real man" shouldn't mind being raped is a fair bit crazier, I think.

That was kind of my point.
Wonder how matty would mind if I held a knife to his throat and made him do things? Don't think he'd like it very much.

I think Matty calls that...foreplay.

Monster Rain wrote:One is a one-off joke concerning someone's legendary masculinity, and the other is musing about raping another poster.

It hurts me to have to explain this.

So its okay for him to make light of the rape of thousands of men...but for me to joke about it involving him is "too far"?
You see my point bro?

Joey wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:One is a one-off joke concerning someone's legendary masculinity, and the other is musing about raping another poster.

It hurts me to have to explain this.

So its okay for him to make light of the rape of thousands of men...but for me to joke about it involving him is "too far"?
You see my point bro?

Thousads of men, by women...

You're obsessed with that dog.
I actually think it looks rather sweet.