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That's my point, brah. I'm wholly aware that the Shield bag doesn't have the rigid plastic. That's why I said it was a better comparison to the Kaiser or the Portable Warfare or the Sabol bags.


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Glorioski wrote:They all make use of the card cases. The shield bag doesn't have rigid plastic.

Also it isn't cheaper either. The Kaiser case price includes international shipping. The BF Shield bag is 14 extra dollars for basic shipping in the US and 44 dollars to ship across the Atlantic.

No. The foam is still cheaper. I can walk up to the BattleFoam booth at any number of conventions and buy it. Or I can have one of my LGS's order it for me and pick it up there. Citing shipping as your balance factor for price is simply grasping at straws.

How does a bag not being rigid make it a better comparison for a rigid bag?

Again, the Kaisers are not lined with plastic. They are, at best, semi rigid. They are not akin to the PACK system. This is my point.

Further, the Sabol is not line with plastic either. Hence the more appropriate comparison.

Do you really think a plastic lining sewn into a bag is going to be that much more rigid than the card cases in the Kaiser?

Failed comparison.

The Kaiser is rigid enough for most applications. if you want something more rigid then you will need the aluminium cases, plastic lining is hardly going to give you the extra rigidity you need, if anything.

Glorioski wrote:Do you really think a plastic lining sewn into a bag is going to be that much more rigid than the card cases in the Kaiser?

Failed comparison.

The Kaiser is rigid enough for most applications. if you want something more rigid then you will need the aluminium cases, plastic lining is hardly going to give you the extra rigidity you need, if anything.

So you've used em, right? And the kaiser relies on the card cases, right'? Not just the foam?

How does the kaiser do if I simply put some Sabol foam in there? Well?

The point remains that the Kaiser bag NEEDS the card cases to function correctly.


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Glorioski wrote:Do you really think a plastic lining sewn into a bag is going to be that much more rigid than the card cases in the Kaiser?

Failed comparison.

The Kaiser is rigid enough for most applications. if you want something more rigid then you will need the aluminium cases, plastic lining is hardly going to give you the extra rigidity you need, if anything.

Like air travel?

Are you talking about the aluminum cases that multiple people have reported having serious issues with the hinges on? The same ones that are more expensive than the BF Pack system bags of the same size?

Glorioski wrote:Do you really think a plastic lining sewn into a bag is going to be that much more rigid than the card cases in the Kaiser

Are you seriously implying that cardboard is as tough or rigid as hard plastic?

Okay. Lemme ask this : in the bf videos i found, they've loaded a bag with models then hucked it around.
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I havent seen that elsewhere, mayhap my youtube fu is weak.

And in useless anedote: all sabol and kr 3+ year users bags are falling apart + replaced with bf bags. Maybe its a meta thing.

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Glorioski wrote:Do you really think a plastic lining sewn into a bag is going to be that much more rigid than the card cases in the Kaiser

Are you seriously implying that cardboard is as tough or rigid as hard plastic?

Yeh, in this context. Sheets of plastic lining vs a 2ply card box structure, it makes little to no difference. Neither are going to like you sitting on it, both will suffer a few knocks.

gunslingerpro wrote:Okay. Lemme ask this : in the bf videos i found, they've loaded a bag with models then hucked it around.
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I havent seen that elsewhere, mayhap my youtube fu is weak.

Must be:

http://www.krmulticase.com/about/casetesting.aspx

yeah,

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:...160 Night Goblins... Their standard trays which cost $15 can only hold about 60 Night Goblins...
_Tim?

They also sell a 90 model tray that would probabily be ideal for goblins. they hold my grots perfectly.



Regarding the KR battlefoam arguement.
KR have a cheaper system that is perfectly modular and the card cases stack great on shelves.
The cardboard cases protect perfectly fine against regular day to day model transporting concerns.
No one is doing an assault course carrying their minis so the Aluminium or GW hardcase is overkill!
I dislike the KR back pack, it looks like a cheap plastic school bag, but it is a lot cheaper and functionally perfect for the job.

I bought into the Battlefoam system.

I like the aesthetics of the bag... It looks the business, a military green mean bag
The BF foam is harder than the KR foam, it gives the BF bags extra rigidity and security for the minis. But it does flex to allow tight fitting too!


I think the tray creator on the battlefoam site is the dogs bollocks



I did a review of the PACK 432 -> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450718.page

My only issue now is when my foam is not in use I stack all my trays ontop of each other on shelves.the KR system looks a lot tidier with cardboard boxes stacked.
BF recently started to copy KR and sell cardboard boxes for their foam, which are again overpriced, and unavailable to their UK customers.
but when they do sell here I'll measure up and if the boxes fit the shelves I'll get some and it'll look a lot more tidy.


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haendas wrote:How do KR cases fare when used as carry-on luggage on airlines? I'm looking at the Battlefoam Privateer Press bag and it looks like a perfect option for carry-on luggage. I'm interested how KR would compare in that regard.

I can only give you my experiences with the Battlefoam bags, I hope somebody can give you more insight to the KR cases.

The PACK AIR is advertised as being a carry on compatible bag, and it is build to comply with FAA standards for carry-on. But be advised that airlines often have their own guidelines, and small regional jets are especially likely to have different standards. One of our mods had to check his AIR while flying Delta, but Southwest Airlines will let you carry it on.

I have the PACK GO, which is a little smaller and is build more like a back bag. Had no problem carrying it on the plane with Frontier. My second flight didn't have room for it in the plane so it got gate checked and spend the next two flights in luggage, going through the airport system and got thrown around a lot. Even with that I didn't see any damage on it and the minis held up fine. Biggest downside that I can see between a GO and an AIR is that the GO doesn't have wheels or a handle like a carry-on suitcase would. So it gets heavy if you are carrying it around the airport during a long layover.

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BF have the advantage here - KR don't make any cases which are specifically designed as hand luggage. The standard KR card multicase, (160 marines or 240 guard), and it's carry cases (Kaiser 1 and Backpack 1) are significantly smaller than hand luggage requirements. It's definitely possibly to carry any of them on. A standard card case will easily fit in a hand-luggage sized suitcase.

TWO KR multicases, the Kaiser 2 or a fully loaded Backpack 2 will not fit in hand luggage. If the PACK 432 does, then BF have the advantage here.

Partly, this is probably because KR is a British company, where it's much less common to fly in-country to play games. Unless you're going from one end of the country to the other, it's easier to drive...

Personally, I have always flown with a single KR multicase stowed in my big suitcase in the hold. I've never had any damage to any of my models, despite how often my big suitcase must have been thrown around...!

Thanks very much to you both for the input on using these cases as luggage. Amidst it all, there is useful information and helpful people in this thread! It looks like I'm going battle foam. Now to decide between the pack air, pack go, and the privateer press bags. Thanks again.