New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Micky**

kronk wrote:

Not sure why it's freaking LE, though. Odd.

LE = 33% markup.

**Panic**

yeah,
So I saw this...

Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

I think this sucks so I sent GW this email..

Spoiler:

I got this reply from GW.

Spoiler:

Which I though a little confusing ... So I wrote to GW again confirming my complaint.

Spoiler:

And Gw replied again and this time looks like the point of complaint was understood.
Huzzah!

Spoiler:

All I hoped for is that they realise that customers get upset when they don't get the chance to get limited edition stuff especially when it sells out prior to general release...
I think I succeeded a little.

kitch102 wrote:
..."Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".

I agree we can only hope that GW adopt these better ways of obtaining more money from us... . . . wait!

Panic...

**Ouze**

Wow, I can't believe this sold out already. I added it to my christmas wishlist; I guess I can take it off now :/

I knew it was limited but expected it to be for; I don't know, longer then a week.

**DarkStarSabre**

I suppose I'm lucky my FLGS is ordering a number in and I called dibs fairly early on, gave them the money and all.

The whole Limited Edition schtick is getting old. There's really no reason for it, especially with 'campaign' books like Blood in the Badlands and Crusade of Fire which could make a mint if allowed to be sold for a while.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Well if everybody had actually bought Dreadfleet (instead of leaving them with squillions of unsold copies) I suspect they wouldn't be doing this

If it's as bad as the haters think it will be you'll be able to pick it up cheap on ebay later as folk dump it

if it's as good as the lovers think it will be.... well ouch

If the emails to Panic pan out though, they may be moving towards a limited release window..... ie no limit on numbers, but a limit on how long things sell for (not sure if this is preferable or not, but at least retailers should be able to gamble on stocking up)

**Sigvatr**

I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered

**Anung Un Rama**

That book took me completly by surprise. I can't believe W actually pulled something like that off. And I am so getting one.

**H.B.M.C.**

*salutes Frontline Gaming*

No AUD$70 book for me!

Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered

How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?

**Happygrunt**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
*salutes Frontline Gaming*

No AUD$70 book for me!

Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered

How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?

Wait, dose Front Line Gaming still have copies for sale?

**H.B.M.C.**

Dunno. I organised this the day it was announced.

**Sigvatr**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:
I love how some people, on the one hand, complain about how a product is released and at the same time, pre-ordered

How is that strange? Is it wrong to want a product but have issues with the way its presented to the public?

By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided. So buying something and at the same time saying that the way of distribution is bad seems contradicting to me. Buying sth. is a binary decision - yes or no, not "Yes, but..." or "No, but...".

**Alpharius**

It isn't that black and white, and I'm sure you know that.

So, what are you up to then?

**insaniak**

Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.

If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.

**haroon**

insaniak wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

No, you don't. If you dislike the way it is presented, but buy it anyway, that just means that your desire for the product outweighs the manner in which it is presented.

If something is sold as a limited edition, and you hate limited editions but want the product, your choices are to not buy the product (which means you don't get something that you want) or to buy it while you can... that doesn't mean you approve of the fact that it was limited. It just means that you wanted the product.

Right. It means you agree "to"the terms but not necessarily "with" the terms.

**ashrog**

I am not going to panic just yet. Dark Vengeance LE sold out pretty quickly on the website, but my FLGS still has probably 5-6 copies on the shelf. Hoping I can still pick this up without resorting to eBay prices.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

Oh hogwash!

As mentioned above, it's not that black and white. Don't be so daft.

**haroon**

Also if you preordered from GW that doesn't guarantee you will get one, a ton of people preordered the limited edition 6th Ed book and never got it.

**Bloodfrenzy187**

Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.

If you make it LE instead of non-LE format then that means pretty much that less people will ever get to take part in something unique to their hobby and that is sort of annoying seeing as I have all of these figures to use and would love to take part in a new campaign.

Oh well just one more punt to the nuts from GW.

**H.B.M.C.**

Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
Why make a Campaign book Limited edition? Wouldn't you want more people to actually be able to take part in the fun.

That would involve thinking in the long term. GW is all about the short term.

**Breotan**

I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.

**H.B.M.C.**

Some are as into narrative gaming and campaign play as people are tournament games.

**UltraPrime**

Breotan wrote:
I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.

Yes, but would that have been the case if it wasn't limited?

**Lockark**

I wanted to get Crusade of fire, but couldn't drop the $50 CAD when the preorders went up.

And since Canada is distributed from the US, it means it's now sold out in Canada too....

=/

**Sigvatr**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
By buying something at certain terms, you immediately agree with the terms under which the product is provided.

Oh hogwash!

As mentioned above, it's not that black and white. Don't be so daft.

It isn't? GW only cares for whether they sell stuff or not. Do you honestly think GW cares the slightest for its customers' wishes? Why do we still have such horrid prices then? Why does GW now plans to have "mini-stores" that prohibit playing or drastically reduce possibilities to play?

I do not say and do not want to say that you guys buy the book because you're fine with it. You buy it because you like the fluff / campaigns. But in my eyes, assuming that GW will care for the grumbling about its way of distribution is a very naive perspective.

Simply put: GW releases something, it's sold out shortly after announcing it. It obviously worked exceptionall well. Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.

**Panic**

yeah,

Sigvatr wrote:
... Do you think GW's now going to reconsider releasing stuff in a limited edition? I certainly don't.

I don't expect them to stop doing limited editions. No.
But what I would like is for them to be made in more realistic quantities and given release dates that we know of in advance so that everyone has a chance of buying one.

Lockark wrote:
I wanted to get Crusade of fire, but couldn't drop the $50 CAD when the pre-orders went up.
And since Canada is distributed from the US, it means it's now sold out in Canada too....
=/

email GW and register your complaint and disappointment. Only by telling them what we believe they are doing wrong can we hope they will change.

Panic...

**DarkStarSabre**

Breotan wrote:
I bought Blood in the Badlands and I've not seen anyone use it after the first month. Crusade of Fire will likely go the same route. Really don't understand why people are so excited about this.

To be honest the problem with this was RL issues and gaming space - there have been two run so far over here. The one attempted at the local GW store got bogged down in gak ranging from the manager insisting on certain types of games being played in a certain way, refusing to consider options for the larger games beyond your standard Saturday megabattle farce and then trying to take over and impose his will when he wasn't even the one running it! (It was me running it, I'd even made map markers, brought in banners etc. for it and here he is overriding rulings left right and centre without even telling me...)

The one run in the FLGS/Club went a lot better as there was more space, people were willing to move tables around and the games could be run as intended.

I expect no less from this. It'll be fun for gaming groups and clubs that want to have a unified push with all involved.

**MeanGreenStompa**

This sort of behavior by the company makes me far more sympathetic towards pdf downloaders.

Also, this sort of thing should be being included in white dwarf, might make it worth buying.

**Apple fox**

Not sure if the right place to ask, but what do people think about the fighting on a deamon world rules we can see? Only 2 page but still was interesting to read I thaght.

The possession counters sound sorta awsome to play with in particular.

**d3m01iti0n**

BT flyer rules in CoF book.

http://i.imgur.com/yCN3f.jpg

Thanks to Rogue Soul of Bolter and Chainsword.

Now these seem to be "Fighter Ace" characteristics you can apply to a flyer. Seeing as how BT doesnt get flyers yet Im wondering if were getting updated sooner than we thought or GW is fething us in the ass and making CoF unusable for BT until our update. Lets hope for the former!

Which also means that since GW doesnt bother to advertise content that could potentialy create a sale, I never bothered to preorder the book. Now that a member of their fanbase has done their job for them I now want to buy the book. Oh wait, its sold out. Good job promoting piracy GW.

**Maxstreel**

My search-fu isn't too great but couldn't find if it meant "expanded rules for flyers" meaning all the flyers rules were there or if they were just some additions...