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Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Loving the list Tomb King, but why not drop the tac squads and termies to get 100% more firepower and an AA dread?

Librarian 95
Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Field Generator
Command Squad 165
Dev Standard

5 Scouts x2

Ravenwing Darktalon 480pts
Ravenwing Darktalon
Ravenwing Darktalon

Land Raider Crusader (265pts) x3
Melta, Dozer.

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought
TL AC, Cyclone Missile Launcher

My variant trades the high S firepower for more resiliency. What makes my list so painful is you need to go through AV-14 just to start hurting me. So basically if I take out the things in your army that can hurt AV-14 then the game is effectively over for you depending what the mission is of course and situation.

VRBs were his tailored Dark Eldar answer to this? He did it wrong. 3 Ravagers with Dark Lances, 2 Venoms full of Blasterborn, Blaster Reaver squads, and Wyches with Haywire grenades would be my solution.

 A GumyBear wrote:
Heres a small combo that will quickly and almost always drop a LR t1

Libby with null and vortex
Pod with 5 stern and 4 combi melta

You could see this combo with most SM armies they will have the components they just need to start the libby in the sternguard and boom not only do you have an annoying dp in your way but you are down a land laider and probably in trouble since they will most likely target the one containing the shield then all they have to do is focus down the shield and you're boned

I love sterngaurd and own around 15 combi melta/ melta gun sternguard guys, and sadly it is not guaranteed to take out land raiders, game before last I used 5 in a pod failed to touch a bastion, 2 miss then all 3 that hit fail to pen, few games before that when I used 5 sternguard in pod against a BA land raider who had shield of sang in his army got two through which were saved, and another time two pens gets through which failed to blow it up.

The tricks DA have for the land raiders are pretty good, saved a crusader yesterday by making my opponent re roll his pen roll, went from a 6 to a 5. Star of that game was land raider achilles that laughs off most stuff, av14 which ignores melta, lance and minus one to any damage roll, add in a techmarine inside with servo harness and two servitors I was repairing the immobilised result on a 2 plus and hull points on a 2 plus and with a power field gen giving it a 4 plus save, pretty beasty, expensive yea but it was a big game


Plus 10 sternguard in pod is 335points, plus in a libby with null zone is another 100pts, points wise they are hardly that cheap when they wont 100% kill a land raider yea there is a chance they will kill both but not 100% but they pretty much are guarenteed to be killed in return.

This list isn't for casual play. Make that clear right now. As for the list that would destroy this could you name some popular TAC meta builds that could wreck this list with ease?

K so I am new here at DAKA, I joined to respond to this. I play guard arty, and the new rules and necessity of tight formations for the banner mean that I will nick at least one of your raiders with even my MoO. I'd have you cracked open before my foot sloggers got on the board. Also, as with any Lynchpin army you should expect everyone to gun for your command vic. True that if they cant crack the command vic before you get to their side you should pretty much always win. Some armies besides arty you should expect trouble from: Deamons with Flamer spam, Necrons, and the good old fashioned god killer lists that feature other raiders or plenty of heavy weapons teams. Another big problem you end up with is targeting MSU lists. Sure you obliterate anything you shoot at, but an MSU build can have upwards of 30 objective claimers and you can only kill 4 per turn. It is a very cool idea though, love to hear how it works out. I had been considering the Banner of Devastation with Bikes for twinlinked goodness but yours is better I think.

For 1750 why not try this

Libby termie armour and PF gen 125pts
DW command squad with salvo banner 265pts
LR crusader with dw upgrade (DT for command squad) 280

tac squad 140
tac squad 140

LR crusader with mm 260
lr crusader ith mm 260
lr crusader with mm 260

comes out as 1750 on the dot.

 Tomb King wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Loving the list Tomb King, but why not drop the tac squads and termies to get 100% more firepower and an AA dread?

Librarian 95
Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Field Generator
Command Squad 165
Dev Standard

5 Scouts x2

Ravenwing Darktalon 480pts
Ravenwing Darktalon
Ravenwing Darktalon

Land Raider Crusader (265pts) x3
Melta, Dozer.

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought
TL AC, Cyclone Missile Launcher

My variant trades the high S firepower for more resiliency. What makes my list so painful is you need to go through AV-14 just to start hurting me. So basically if I take out the things in your army that can hurt AV-14 then the game is effectively over for you depending what the mission is of course and situation.

Yeah, but the Deathwing LR isn't scoring and sort of mills about in the back not accomplishing much most of the time, its too big to fit in the front line. The Dark Talons can screen the main LR force against melta threats and have Blind, which could be useful.
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MarkyMark wrote:
For 1750 why not try this

Libby termie armour and PF gen 125pts
DW command squad with salvo banner 265pts
LR crusader with dw upgrade (DT for command squad) 280

tac squad 140
tac squad 140

LR crusader with mm 260
lr crusader ith mm 260
lr crusader with mm 260

comes out as 1750 on the dot.

That works... your basically saving the points that were spent on the command squad. The only issue now is your terminators are just glorified banner bearers. They cant get in the fight without risking the banner.

Still waiting to see the other army lists you trounced. That SW list was utter garbage and not a tac list at all, so if the other were similar I am not so impressed.

So, the program you are using to test your lists, is it an online game of 40k basically? Do they regularly update the rules? I have never heard of it before this thread.

I'm fairly confident my TAC DA list could take this.

I run.

HQ- Libby ML2 with powerfield

Troops- Tactical squad with Melta, combi-melta razorback with TLLC and Dozerblade

Troops- Tactical squad with Melta, combi-melta razorback with TLLC and Dozerblade

Troops- Tactical squad with plasma, combi-plasma razorback with TLLC and Dozerblade

Troops- Tactical Squad with Lascannon

Troops- Tactical Squad with Lascannon

Fast Attack- Landspeeder w/ MM/HF

Fast Attack- Landspeeder w/ MM/HF

Fast Attack- 2x Landspeeder with Tyhpoon/HB

Elites- Dreadnought w/ 2x TL Autocannon

Elites- Dreadnought w/ 2x TL Autocannon

Heavy Support- Vindicator w/ dozerblade

Heavy Support- Vindicator w/ dozerblade

Heavy Support- Vindicator w/ dozerblade

Fortification- Aegis Line w/ Quadgun

This clocks in around 1845pts.

The vindi's supported by the powerfield will punish you for trying to use the powerfield. Las cannons on razorbacks and tac squads will threaten land raiders. As backups, I can deep strike landspeeders or send in melta-squads in the razorbacks. The typhoons, dreads, and aegis line will be of little use until I crack one of the LR. The AV 13 on the vindis will more than handle the firepower you have on the LR.

The list seems like it would make for the most boring games ever. If your opponent can fight land raiders well (necrons) than it is pretty much GG, but if they can't you will sit on them and beat them silly for 5-7 turns.

I would never rate VASSAL a good judge of what a list can do due to being 2D and 90% of the people that plan on there lack skill/good lists.

Or do you think it's a good judge of the list as good where the only regular Tau player on there only has 2 Railguns and 2 Meltaguns and a boatload of just S5? Hint -- It's not a great Tau list by a long shot.

I don't think Raiderspam works in practice because you cannot score inside a vehicle, I think it is possibly worth it to plan around 1 and go from there, however.

This list gets taken apart by anything designed to be competitive. Keeping the tanks together makes for a very static army if they are made to split apart they lose a lot of what makes them decent.

 nolzur wrote:
So, the program you are using to test your lists, is it an online game of 40k basically? Do they regularly update the rules? I have never heard of it before this thread.

Yea its vassal. With 40k version 5.4f which hasnt been updated to 6th edition yet but they did put out a terrain update for the fortifications. It helps me judge how some list work together and since its hard for me to find time for games it keeps me fresh on the rules and tactics I need for the tournament scene. Been practicing my indy open list and I think I finally got it down. Fortunately I am not bringing the 4 raiders haha. Though I am sure it would go far in the gt. Hell it could probably beat the tac list im bringing. Lol