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 Seaward wrote:
If so, it's even less incentive to revert back to pricing the way it was a decade ago.

True enough although their current pricing strategy is undoubtedly a significant part of the problem.

Yeah its a very short term strategy to decide that the best way to regain the money you lost through customers deciding the price is to high is to raise the cost for those who are still your customers.

If the trend was already headed in that direction, might as well maximize revenue while figuring out other streams.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
If so, it's even less incentive to revert back to pricing the way it was a decade ago.

True enough although their current pricing strategy is undoubtedly a significant part of the problem.

That's definitely a big part of it but, and I say this as someone who lives in Australia*, I don't think pricing is their biggest problem.
Their biggest problem is that they are a toy company. They believe that they are selling toys to kids for them to paint up and they maybe play a game or two before collecting more models from a new army.
They have no interest in growing the hobby, no interest in creating a community, they simply want to sell collectibles to children.
Mantic, PP, Spartan Games and Corvus Belli (just to name a few) are all trying to build a community around their games and I do believe every one of them are growing rapidly.

I think if GW simply kept prices how they are now and stopped raising them it would help, but not nearly as much as if they started interacting with their fanbase. Drop the 1 man store approach, bring games back to games day, put real content in White Dwarf that people who have been in the hobby more than a year can learn things from and actually acknowledge that a significant proportion of their customers are not 12 years old. If they made themselves a company people actually wanted to buy from it would go a long way towards putting them back on the right path.
*edit* I can't believe I forgot this one but make a professional looking rule set, with proofreaders and plasterers.


*We get the absolute worst end of the stick from GW here, meaning other companies with much nicer resin models are only on par with GW when it comes to price. This cost me the same as this would have down here.

I like the dice and the Blood for the Blood God paint! Ordered!!!!

If I didn't already own the LE Chaos Daemon codex, I would have picked that bundle up. Still tempted, but no. THAT money is for Forge World...

 jonolikespie wrote:

I think if GW simply kept prices how they are now and stopped raising them it would help, but not nearly as much as if they started interacting with their fanbase. Drop the 1 man store approach, bring games back to games day, put real content in White Dwarf that people who have been in the hobby more than a year can learn things from and actually acknowledge that a significant proportion of their customers are not 12 years old. If they made themselves a company people actually wanted to buy from it would go a long way towards putting them back on the right path.

That's a good way of putting it. A big part of why I'm a PP fanboy is the attitude that comes across from them, in their articles, website stuff and their business approach, that I feel like they want me to enjoy their game and are actively trying to increase my enjoyment, as well as selling me stuff. They release official tournament rules, try to minimise rules arguments by making them clear, strongly encourage and officially support local groups, work with fansites to preview their new models and rules, etc.

With GW, I feel more like they want only to sell me stuff and aren't especially bothered whether I have fun with it. The company is less and less involved with the community and that hurts both of them.

 Seaward wrote:

Because I see quite a few people bitching about GW pricing schemes in one thread and talking about how they're going to paint their latest GW acquisition in another.

Guilty as charged i bought the new plastic space marine tactical and vanguard? (those shooty veterans) and that is my sole GW purchase this year, the're making a bundle out of me!

10~20 years ago i spend most of my "allowance" on GW stuff every month.

I've resolved to finish my armies and then cease all purchases of new product direct from GW. I may still get cheap 2nd hand models, like Drop Pods, Rhinos etc (and in fact I'm going to see what I can pick up 2nd hand at Smoggycon this weekend).

. I will NEVER start a new GW army for any system, unless I can use cheaper non GW models (Victoria Miniatures, Wargames Factory etc).

For my Raven Guard I have a very clear picture of what I want to complete my army (I estimate that it'll be around 4000pts when I'm finished).

A Vanguard Veteran squad, magnetised for versatility.
A converted and magnetised Captain (using the Korvydae I already have as a base).
A Stormtalon.
A Land Speeder Storm.
One more Rhino/Razorback (2nd hand?)
More Drop Pods (2nd hand).
One Tactical Squad (2nd hand).

Theres been loads of stuff for the Hobbit that I'd like (Azog, hunter orcs, fell wargs, Erebor Dwarves) but the prices are so obscene that I've not bothered with the Hobbit. Nobody plays SBG at my club so I've not bothered with the £50 rulebook (I got my ORB for just £30).

In future, I'll just convert and proxy historical models as Gondor, Rohan and Harad. I prefer historicals like Gripping Beast anyway.

Somehow after looking through it, I thought the whole thing was sort of "meh" this year.

Well I was just looking at some of the new stuff for this christmas season and there is some savings there and a few good deals here and there.

The Tau pack with 9 xv88 and 1 riptide is kind of ridiculous though who would want that many xv88 suits haha.
On the other hand the Eldar Ghost Warriors package looks like an awesome deal!
3 boxes of wraith guard $180 individually
1 wraithknight $140
2 Wraithlords $111
So thats a total of $431 if you buy individually and its $325 in the package thats a $100 saving in Canada. Even in Australia its $438 individually and $330 in the package which will make them happy I am sure

From what I gather you can just get a spirtseer/farseer and thats a solid 1000 point army.

Thats the package I like the best and I think that this package is a step in the right direction price wise/savings wise!
I might just pick this up in the states when I go down there since the price is $270 there so again a good deal!

I am also pretty much out when it comes to GW. I have DA i want to paint up and may pick up stuff second hand down the line in order to complete it but beyond that I won't buy from them again.