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Year and bit now, Sep 12' they kidnapped me and forced me to do their bidding Oh and the shop is a family supermarket/newsagents we are just clearing the edge of a black hole at the moment, the tail end of the previous year almost took us out. Seems to be good now... *touches wood*

On topic, watching the video really makes you wonder what is going on up there in the lofty tower. It won't arrive here till Wens anyway, but I can't see it being much to look at, especially with it mostly covering last months releases the previous Dwarf already covered.

I think we just passed another threshold. This Warhammer Visions is the proof that the non-gaming managers who make the decisions have lost complete contact to the staff familiar with the products. No staff warned them that this doesn't work, no staff put much effort to actually try. They just did their job then sat back watching the train wreck.
Good thing this desaster hurts Tom Kirby, the man responsible for all this, as his shares skydive.

 snurl wrote:
I am going to see if i can swap my remaining subscription for the weekly magazine.

Just for the record: The weekly WD can't be subscribed nor bought at a newspaper store.

Aye, would have got it in if we could.

Tbh if the rumoured tactic of 'make them come to the GW store, they might spend some more money' is the real reason for this change, then some one needs to send Kirby to Tesco because he's in the wrong area of retail.

Those kind of tactics work in a convience/food store like ours where 50p sweets sit in front of the tills, not so much when kits costs £30 a pop.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Year and bit now, Sep 12' they kidnapped me and forced me to do their bidding

September '12?! Gosh, I am really unobservant.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Aye, would have got it in if we could.

Tbh if the rumoured tactic of 'make them come to the GW store, they might spend some more money' is the real reason for this change, then some one needs to send Kirby to Tesco because he's in the wrong area of retail.

Those kind of tactics work in a convience/food store like ours where 50p sweets sit in front of the tills, not so much when kits costs £30 a pop.

Ah, that's why I'm skint then, damn plastic candy can't walk past without spending something

I stopped buying WD when it became essentially a magazine of shiny want.
I will not be buying either of these.

I think this caters to their market. I can see little boys sitting in the playground at school looking at space marines. ETC
Having spent the whole weeks dinner money on it. Why learn to read, when you can have pretty pictures.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I think we just passed another threshold. This Warhammer Visions is the proof that the non-gaming managers who make the decisions have lost complete contact to the staff familiar with the products. No staff warned them that this doesn't work, no staff put much effort to actually try. They just did their job then sat back watching the train wreck.
Good thing this desaster hurts Tom Kirby, the man responsible for all this, as his shares skydive.

 snurl wrote:
I am going to see if i can swap my remaining subscription for the weekly magazine.

Just for the record: The weekly WD can't be subscribed nor bought at a newspaper store.

Would even a non-gaming management consider a magazine full of pictures but no text something they can sell? I don't really see many magazines in the newsstand that follow that particular format.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, so many people going "immah cancel muh subscription!"

Again?

Every time we have a thread on WD it's full of people saying they're going to cancel their subscription but lo behold, there's still plenty of subscribers left to claim the same in the next thread. If you have a subscription at this moment, it means you willingly gave GW money for WD sometime within the last year. In advance, no less. You're part of the problem.

Er..no. I canceled mine years ago when they quit running Chapter Approved.

Some fool did. I think they may have been Punk'd.

ah man, I was looking forward to warhammer visions, purely because I thought it would be something along the lines of 50/50 pretty pictures and the art work the used to cover the old (well now old old) white dwarf. Instead I'm buying a magazine with the same picture zoomed in 4 times on individual units and then a full battlefield shot, errrr no thanks.

But then I got my hopes up! Yeah! My hopes, went up! When watching the review I saw the kit bash section and got all giddy as kit bash, in my eyes, has always been the best part of WD and my favorite bit to read, but then it turns out to be a 10 page section and my hopes came pummeling back down to earth quicker then H.B.M.C's hopes for the new tyranid codex.

Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

Edit-Man I need to proof read.

 tomball0706 wrote:
Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

That was an ironic statement, right?

 Shandara wrote:


Would even a non-gaming management consider a magazine full of pictures but no text something they can sell? I don't really see many magazines in the newsstand that follow that particular format.

As has been said earlier, some Japanese magazines are like this: especially cosplay and collectible figurine magazines. So there's a market for stuff like that.

But definitely not this market.

 Flashman wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

That was an ironic statement, right?

Sadly no, they tried to reach out to the fanbase, but have the initial reviews are so bad that they have failed on a whole new level

 tomball0706 wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

That was an ironic statement, right?

Sadly no, they tried to reach out to the fanbase, but have the initial reviews are so bad that they have failed on a whole new level

Yes, I'm not convinced that they "tried" at all. As some other people have suggested, this is just a cobbled together photo catalogue to feed the existing subscribers so they can let it die in the next year or so.

 Flashman wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

That was an ironic statement, right?

Sadly no, they tried to reach out to the fanbase, but have the initial reviews are so bad that they have failed on a whole new level

Yes, I'm not convinced that they "tried" at all. As some other people have suggested, this is just a cobbled together photo catalogue to feed the existing subscribers so they can let it die in the next year or so.

Sadly I agree. I don't think they tried anything other than "How can we do a price hike and cut down on costs even more", coupled with the standard "These fools will buy anything we put out!" mentality that seems to prevalent.

 Flashman wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:
Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

That was an ironic statement, right?

Games Workshop, taking Homer Simpson's life lessons to heart:

 tomball0706 wrote:
ah man, I was looking forward to warhammer visions, purely because I thought it would be something along the lines of 50/50 pretty pictures and the art work the used to cover the old (well now old old) white dwarf. Instead I'm buying a magazine with the same picture zoomed in 4 times on individual units and then a full battlefield shot, errrr no thanks.

But then I got my hopes up! Yeah! My hopes, went up! When watching the review I saw the kit bash section and got all giddy as kit bash, in my eyes, has always been the best part of WD and my favorite bit to read, but then it turns out to be a 10 page section and my hopes came pummeling back down to earth quicker then H.B.M.C's hopes for the new tyranid codex.

Oh well, you tried GW, at least you tried.

Edit-Man I need to proof read.

Yes GW is very trying

I know print is dying and all that, but this magazine really shows that the management don't think much of their customers.

 Da Boss wrote:
I know print is dying and all that, but this magazine really shows that the management don't think much of their customers.

I think that's the worst part of all. It's like they pretty much didn't bother to try because they think their customers are so stupid that they'll buy anything that has the Warhammer logo on it. IMO it's just downright insulting to their customers.

 heartserenade wrote:

 Shandara wrote:


Would even a non-gaming management consider a magazine full of pictures but no text something they can sell? I don't really see many magazines in the newsstand that follow that particular format.

As has been said earlier, some Japanese magazines are like this: especially cosplay and collectible figurine magazines. So there's a market for stuff like that.

But definitely not this market.

I'm the kind of saddo who owns (and has written for) a lot of mags like this.

the people who put them together put incredible effort into them; they may well be full of photos, but they have spent time choosing and sourcing the items photographed - and each photo is there for a reason. The only reason for most of the photos in Visions is simply to Fill Up Space.

WayneTheGame wrote:
I think that's the worst part of all. It's like they pretty much didn't bother to try because they think their customers are so stupid that they'll buy anything that has the Warhammer logo on it. IMO it's just downright insulting to their customers.

Insulting, but largely correct. This is happening because people do keep giving them money for anything with the Warhammer logo on it. People still buy WD. People buy DLC. People pay double just to have a variant cover on their Codex. Think about that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
I think that's the worst part of all. It's like they pretty much didn't bother to try because they think their customers are so stupid that they'll buy anything that has the Warhammer logo on it. IMO it's just downright insulting to their customers.

Insulting, but largely correct. This is happening because people do keep giving them money for anything with the Warhammer logo on it. People still buy WD. People buy DLC. People pay double just to have a variant cover on their Codex. Think about that.

I don't think "special edition" codices are doing so well as of late. I kept track of the Tyranid LE codex, and on release day they said there were only 500 in the world. 3 weeks later the number was down to 424 before it got taken off their website.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
I think that's the worst part of all. It's like they pretty much didn't bother to try because they think their customers are so stupid that they'll buy anything that has the Warhammer logo on it. IMO it's just downright insulting to their customers.

Insulting, but largely correct. This is happening because people do keep giving them money for anything with the Warhammer logo on it. People still buy WD. People buy DLC. People pay double just to have a variant cover on their Codex. Think about that.

Some people do.

The real question is whether a lot more people would pay to have a cracking good magazine. The evidence of history is that they would.

To make it better, the digital Visions seems to be broken. It tells you that it's designed to be viewed in landscape format and won't allow you to read the mag while in portrait mode...but the White Dwarf newsstand app forces the device into portrait mode. There is literally no way to read the 300MB mag I just downloaded.

Edit: never mind, I didn't realise the app needed an update. You need to download the update manually from the newsstand store.

PastelAvenger wrote:
(words honestly escape me)

That's Warhammer Visions' problem too.

 loki old fart wrote:
I think this caters to their market. I can see little boys sitting in the playground at school looking at space marines. ETC
Having spent the whole weeks dinner money on it. Why learn to read, when you can have pretty pictures.

'

Sure if this was still 1991 and nobody owned smartphones

evilsponge wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:
I think this caters to their market. I can see little boys sitting in the playground at school looking at space marines. ETC
Having spent the whole weeks dinner money on it. Why learn to read, when you can have pretty pictures.

'

Sure if this was still 1991 and nobody owned smartphones

Wassup don't understand satire ??

The problem with WHV is that I can go to a site like Cool Mini Or Not or one of the numerous blogs around the web and see all of this and... It's free. So why would I ever pay money for one that has inferior paintjobs? GW obviously does not understand anything about there playerbase.

Oh well, for digital subscriptions at least - Apple says GW, GW says Apple - neither will give me a refund :(

Not pleased