PETA Reportedly Steals and Kills a Family Dog

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**Ouze**

Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Again, protesting what? That they have the right to steal peoples dogs and kill them? Think about how that's going to play on the news for a second here.

They will have banners screaming fur is murder and how they're being evilly opppressed and oh yea fur is murder. Come on dude you know how this stuff works.

Yes, which is why I am confused as to how such an abstract argument as "fur is murder" is going to trump a little crying girl saying "they stole my puppy, and killed it", either in or out of court.

Again, I think there must be a more specific reason why the prosecution was dropped, other than "it would be a hassle".

**Orlanth**

streamdragon wrote:

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine tin-foil hat gak.

Neither. I am not being sarcastic, as for tin-foil, it would be tin foil if someone 'confirmed' dirty tricks, it's not tin foil to keep an open mind about that being a possible reason for PETA's behaviour.
PETA are up against some big players, do they commit dirty tricks, I don't know. But other similar groups, such as those who opposed Big Tobacco faced plenty of dirt, and examples of that are in the public record. e.g Wigand.

streamdragon wrote:

PETA's own tax records, which are public record thanks to their status as an NPO, show that they give money to known eco terrorists. That they euthanize the vast majority of the animals that they take in. That a convicted felon is on their payroll, showing college students how to make gas bombs.

So you have to come to a conclusion here. Either PETA is full of nut jobs or it is not.
To help you here PETA is an international organisation, and while you may have this type of behaviour in the PETA in the US, you don't have it over here. The Uk has had animal rights extremists in the past, and some groups now, but by and large most rare responsible, including PETA. In fact the organisation is pretty well respected.
Why is the US branch of PETA so very different? It must be the staffing somewhere, no one is stopping crazies from joining, no one is kicking them out, and no one is taking positive responsibility when crazies do crazy things.
If this happened over here PETA in the UK would distance itself quickly from the activities, as such it keeps it lobbying credibility; PETA in the UK has made much headway in helping change legislation regarding factory farming.

streamdragon wrote:

They are, never were, and probably never will be a "pristine" organization. They are as dirty as it is possible to be. They are basically the clean glitzy public face of a very ugly, ugly group of people.

Again mainstream PETA outside the US would not condone actions like we see in the OP. PETA is a vegan organisation, but most vegans are vegans on doctrine not dogma. A vegan who doesn't want animal suffering would not kidnap and euthanise pets, in fact most PETA members in the Uk do not have a doctrine against pets. Vegans are a whole would not endorse the kidnapping of pets, many actually keep pets, many have several including those who have sympathies with PETA or are members in the UK.
And for the record PETA in the UK which is a whole lot less ugly than what we have seen on this thread.

PETA UK wrote:Why Animal Rights?

Almost all of us grew up eating meat, wearing leather, and going to circuses and zoos. We never considered the impact of these actions on the animals involved. For whatever reason, you are now asking the question: why should animals have rights?
Animals Are Not Ours to Eat
Animals Are Not Ours to Wear
Animals Are Not Ours to Experiment On
Animals Are Not Ours to Use for Entertainment
Animals Are Not Ours to Abuse in Any Way

Pet ownership, or "animal companions" in animal right parlance is not against PETA conditions. From the US PETS site you get the same doctrines listed. So it is not against PETA ideology to keep pets, its against the ideology only of the crazies. Who let them in and why?

There is a logical gaping hole in what is happening in PETA that begs the question of the actual real motives of some of those in authority in it. A question that could (not necessarily is) be more easily explained if some of those in authority in PETA do not have the interests of the naimal rights movement at heart but are working to destroy it from the inside.

streamdragon wrote:

I try to avoid posting Pen and Teller's bs, since many people just write off anything they say, but here. If you can look past some of the grandstanding that they do, you can and will see numerous accounts, factual accounts, of PETA's bs.

I don't like Penn and Teller's grandstanding either and have a dim view of partisan politics from comedians, because comics have less cultural safeguards than other public figures and are supposed to adhere to Fools Licence to counter-balance, and increasingly dfo not.

Thanks for the link.

**lord_blackfang**

Orlanth wrote:

However PETA and groups like that stand in the way of big business. Factory farming is lucrative, and frankly the only way to keep large populations flush with foods like bacon. Medical research and cosmetic research is also lucrative, and in many cases necessary. PETA is not the first relatively small pressure group to come up against big business, and isnt the first to be on the receiving end of dirty tricks.

PETA is also a business. As I already said, they are in the business of marketing the idea of the ethical treatment of animals. Being nice to animals doesn't put food on PETA's table, convincing people to donate for the cause does.

**Frazzled**

Ouze wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Again, protesting what? That they have the right to steal peoples dogs and kill them? Think about how that's going to play on the news for a second here.

They will have banners screaming fur is murder and how they're being evilly opppressed and oh yea fur is murder. Come on dude you know how this stuff works.

Yes, which is why I am confused as to how such an abstract argument as "fur is murder" is going to trump a little crying girl saying "they stole my puppy, and killed it", either in or out of court.

Again, I think there must be a more specific reason why the prosecution was dropped, other than "it would be a hassle".

You'll never see the little girl.

**CthuluIsSpy**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Orlanth wrote:

However PETA and groups like that stand in the way of big business. Factory farming is lucrative, and frankly the only way to keep large populations flush with foods like bacon. Medical research and cosmetic research is also lucrative, and in many cases necessary. PETA is not the first relatively small pressure group to come up against big business, and isnt the first to be on the receiving end of dirty tricks.

PETA is also a business. As I already said, they are in the business of marketing the idea of the ethical treatment of animals. Being nice to animals doesn't put food on PETA's table, convincing people to donate for the cause does.

They should really just drop the pretense and demand money to not hurt animals.
"We are for the ethical treatment of animals, but only if you pay us"

It would be honest, at least.

**Frazzled**

whembly wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Again, protesting what? That they have the right to steal peoples dogs and kill them? Think about how that's going to play on the news for a second here.

I'm with Ouze on this one Frazzie...

@Thread: Do we have more info on this besides the original post? I'm trying google-fu here and I'm all over the map.

You'd have an argument if the press was all over this. But they aren't are they...

Your honor the Prosecution rests, with a cigar and a bottle of Jack!

**Orlanth**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Orlanth wrote:

However PETA and groups like that stand in the way of big business. Factory farming is lucrative, and frankly the only way to keep large populations flush with foods like bacon. Medical research and cosmetic research is also lucrative, and in many cases necessary. PETA is not the first relatively small pressure group to come up against big business, and isnt the first to be on the receiving end of dirty tricks.

PETA is also a business. As I already said, they are in the business of marketing the idea of the ethical treatment of animals. Being nice to animals doesn't put food on PETA's table, convincing people to donate for the cause does.

They should really just drop the pretense and demand money to not hurt animals.
"We are for the ethical treatment of animals, but only if you pay us"

It would be honest, at least.

Proof again the organisation branch in the US has been thoroughly corrupted.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Orlanth wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Orlanth wrote:

However PETA and groups like that stand in the way of big business. Factory farming is lucrative, and frankly the only way to keep large populations flush with foods like bacon. Medical research and cosmetic research is also lucrative, and in many cases necessary. PETA is not the first relatively small pressure group to come up against big business, and isnt the first to be on the receiving end of dirty tricks.

PETA is also a business. As I already said, they are in the business of marketing the idea of the ethical treatment of animals. Being nice to animals doesn't put food on PETA's table, convincing people to donate for the cause does.

They should really just drop the pretense and demand money to not hurt animals.
"We are for the ethical treatment of animals, but only if you pay us"

It would be honest, at least.

Proof again the organisation branch in the US has been thoroughly corrupted.

Can you please elaborate? I am not too familiar with US politics.

**Ouze**

Frazzled wrote:
[You'd have an argument if the press was all over this. But they aren't are they...

Well, I don't see the big 3, but it's on both Huffpo, the NY Daily News, and The Blaze (along with many smaller sites), so I think it will be, soon enough.

**Ahtman**

Orlanth wrote:
Proof again the organisation branch in the US has been thoroughly corrupted.

You keep thinking that.

**Frazzled**

Ouze wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
[You'd have an argument if the press was all over this. But they aren't are they...

Well, I don't see the big 3, but it's on both Huffpo, the NY Daily News, and The Blaze (along with many smaller sites), so I think it will be, soon enough.

I hope so but I doubt it.

Interesting color on Huffpo. Note there are links in the article to the other articles mentioned if you go to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/peta-steals-and-kills-lit_b_6156196.html

PETA Reportedly Steals and Kills a Family Dog
Posted: 11/14/2014 1:33 pm EST Updated: 11/14/2014 3:59 pm EST Share Tweet Email Comment
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PETA reportedly stole a family's pet chihuahua from their porch, and killed it.

You heard that right. Yes, we're talking about that PETA: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The theft was caught on video, and has been reported by WAVY.com, local media in Accomack County, Virginia.

County Sheriff Todd Godwin insists that he charged the two PETA workers with larceny. The prosecutor has apparently refused to pursue the case, however, citing insufficient evidence of "criminal intent."

Let's try to comprehend this: we have a home surveillance video clearly demonstrating that a van marked "PETA" pulled up to the house of Wilbur Cerate, and that someone took the family's chihuahua, Maya. PETA has reportedly admitted that Maya was killed: they arrived later with a basket of fruit as compensation, says Maya's owner. (For some bizarre reason, PETA thinks that a nice basket of food makes killing pets okay.)

Hence, we have what we are told is pretty strong evidence that a crime was committed. An admission of guilt has been alleged. What part of the notion "criminal intent" am I missing here?

We also seem to have powerful evidence that the girl who owned Maya is inconsolable. The New York Daily News reports:
The Mexican immigrant said the tiny dog had been the only thing that cheered his daughter, who was having difficulty adjusting to her new country.

PETA has refused to comment. Local reporter Anita Blanton has tried valiantly to elicit a statement from PETA headquarters in Norfolk, Virginia, and has thus far had no luck.

It's hard to believe, but People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has a long history of this kind of abuse. You'll find it documented in ugly detail here: "Shocking Photos: PETA's Secret Slaughter of Kittens, Puppies." Even more difficult to believe is that they tend to get away with it.

In 2005, PETA employees killed numerous healthy dogs and cats in the back of their van, and deposited the bodies in a dumpster behind a mall. They were charged with "21 felony counts each of animal cruelty," but were convicted only of "littering."

The littering conviction was later overturned. PETA has very good lawyers. "Essentially, the littering charges against Adria Hinkle and Andrew Cook were overturned because the prosecution failed to prove that a dumpster is not the proper place for trash." ("Trash" here being dead pets.)

Since then PETA has been careful to dispose of bodies legally, using a professional crematorium. (They have killed over 29,000 animals.) But they are not being careful enough, it seems, when it comes to rounding up neighborhood animals. PETA are keen on eradicating strays -- in particular, they urge the mass killing of feral cats -- but they do not have permission to grab a family's pet dog from their home. Clearly they did not expect that the Cerate house would have a surveillance camera.

WHAT YOU CAN DO

PETA would prefer that people not keep animals for their amusement. If you personally find this unacceptable, however -- the alleged theft and destruction of a family dog -- then please let the local prosecutor know how you feel. Yes, PETA has a huge budget, and powerful lawyers, but public outrage can be effective.

The Commonwealth Attorney's name is Gary Agar. His office number is 757-787-2877; the office email is commatt@verizon.net.

You can also make your displeasure known to The Sam Simon Foundation. Sam Simon, co-creator of The Simpsons, has long done wonderful work for animals, and his foundation works towards -- among other things -- saving strays from so-called "euthanasia."

Mr. Simon is currently fighting cancer, and has announced that he is leaving a substantial portion of his 100-million-dollar fortune to PETA. It seems clear that this is a truly decent man, who hasn't the faintest idea what kind of organization he has decided to leave his money to. The situation is not unusual: most celebrities are kept in the dark regarding PETA's nature.

Mr. Simon is very ill, and it's perhaps best to tweet your outrage to his foundation (whose work PETA is busy undermining): @ssfoundation1

And please let PETA themselves know what you think: @PETA

The citizens unlucky enough to share their neighborhood with PETA headquarters have long been concerned that the group will target their pets. Not many of these people have the means to pursue a civil suit against PETA, but this is why we have criminal laws: it is absurd that a family's dogs and cats cannot be protected from the depredations of this organization.

**hotsauceman1**

How dare they hurt the world's greatest breed of dog

**Ouze**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
How dare they hurt the world's greatest breed of dog

Seriously, what's wrong with you.

To be frank, even referring to a Chihuahua as a dog for the duration of this thread is taking a concerted effort.

**Frazzled**

Ouze wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
How dare they hurt the world's greatest breed of dog

Seriously, what's wrong with you.

To be frank, even referring to a Chihuahua as a dog for the duration of this thread is taking a concerted effort.

Well, despite being a barking rat they're still dogs and thus part of the Great Wienie.

**Lockark**

Reading this topic made me read more into this practice of peta. It reminded me of a pet dog from my youth when I lived in America. It was always Strange to us that they broke into our house but only took our dog.

After doing some more reading I now realized my family might of been victimized by peta. I have no proof but some of the stories I read sounds a lot like what happened to my dog.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
How dare they hurt the world's greatest breed of dog

Seriously, what's wrong with you.

To be frank, even referring to a Chihuahua as a dog for the duration of this thread is taking a concerted effort.

Well, despite being a barking rat they're still dogs and thus part of the Great Wienie.

In the Great Wienie army, ALL canines have their roles.

**Frazzled**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Ouze wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
How dare they hurt the world's greatest breed of dog

Seriously, what's wrong with you.

To be frank, even referring to a Chihuahua as a dog for the duration of this thread is taking a concerted effort.

Well, despite being a barking rat they're still dogs and thus part of the Great Wienie.

In the Great Wienie army, ALL canines have their roles.

Exactly. Chihuahas make excellent spotters. They are so nevrous any little thing will set them off in a tizzy. You need that kind of scanning capacity when you're deep in country, surrounded by the foul beings known as cats.

**Piston Honda**

I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

**Kilkrazy**

You got food poisoning?

**whembly**

Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

That is AWESOME!

Or wear this:

**Avatar 720**

Kilkrazy wrote:
You got food poisoning?

They abducted the beef patty, euthanised it, and then incinerated it.

**whembly**

Avatar 720 wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
You got food poisoning?

They abducted the beef patty, euthanised it, and then incinerated it.

Well done I hope.

Don't forget the CHEESE!

**Frazzled**

Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

SOUnds like it ended excellently.

mmm bacon burger.....

**whembly**

Frazzled wrote:
Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

SOUnds like it ended excellently. mmm bacon burger.....

MMmmmmmmmm... makes me wanna get a "Double Bypass" burger!

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

I got myself a (veggie) burger this evening but I am still hungry, do not torture me like that

.

**Cheesecat**

Don't vegetarians start to hate the taste and texture of meat after awhile as they to lose there familiarity with it?

**Frazzled**

whembly wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

SOUnds like it ended excellently. mmm bacon burger.....

MMmmmmmmmm... makes me wanna get a "Double Bypass" burger!

Oh my. Look at the size of those...burgers.

**jhe90**

Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

perfect

add a fur coat, some circus tickets and sea world item, youd feel the hate from there brains!

**Grey Templar**

jhe90 wrote:
Piston Honda wrote:
I once protested PETA protesting at my university by eating a double bacon cheese burger in front of them.

It did't end well.

perfect add a fur coat, some circus tickets and sea world item, youd feel the hate from there brains!

Make sure to bring your pet too and show them how much you love each other.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Cheesecat wrote:
Don't vegetarians start to hate the taste and texture of meat after awhile as they to lose there familiarity with it?

I have no idea how meat taste or is texture, so I cannot tell. I have tried some vegetarian sausage when I was in Canada, did not taste very good imho, but was from what I heard very close to actual sausage.
Burger are usually good though, and those from the small fast-food where I go? Freaking delicious!