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 Ravenous D wrote:

 buddha wrote:
What are the cost of the starshot missile upgrades for dark dealers?

Reapers are 5 points cheaper than before, and starshot missiles are the same. A unit of 5 all with missiles and an exarch is 175pts.

Much appreciated.

I've missed it and can't track it down... What's the codex specific formation bonus? Maximum run rolls?

 Ravenous D wrote:


Claw is the same as before. Still awesome. As for chain sword, yup, it is +1S ap6. And you cant combine weapons. So Karandras is throwing down at s8 and exarchs are at S6., there is no more crushing blow.

EDIT: And you're all welcome, I'm trying to stay on top of these leaks like I used to but you know, life.

Ok, much obliged once again.

So Scorpion's Claw got a slight nerf to offset their mandiblaster buff. Hate that you can't combine close combat weapons to get both buffs (even if it's a +1 Strength after doubling from the claw, which is how I would think it would work). Is the Claw considered a specialist weapon? If not, it's even more beastly since it does confer the +1 attack for dual CCW's at least.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

 TheKbob wrote:
I've missed it and can't track it down... What's the codex specific formation bonus? Maximum run rolls?

Yup! Auto 6" run, which makes them all sorts of awesome.


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 Red__Thirst wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:


Claw is the same as before. Still awesome. As for chain sword, yup, it is +1S ap6. And you cant combine weapons. So Karandras is throwing down at s8 and exarchs are at S6., there is no more crushing blow.

EDIT: And you're all welcome, I'm trying to stay on top of these leaks like I used to but you know, life.

Ok, much obliged once again.

So Scorpion's Claw got a slight nerf to offset their mandiblaster buff. Hate that you can't combine close combat weapons to get both buffs (even if it's a +1 Strength after doubling from the claw, which is how I would think it would work). Is the Claw considered a specialist weapon? If not, it's even more beastly since it does confer the +1 attack for dual CCW's at least.

Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

Claw is not specialist, so you do get the bonus

Even better. Yea the claw is nutbars, especially considering what Kanandras can do with it. Buh.

What are the new rules for striking scorpions?

Aside from Deep Striking if and only if you take 3, was there any change at all to Falcons? (I haven't seen their page in any of the leaks)

Falcons are the same, other then scatter lasers are free.


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 Nicky86 wrote:
What are the new rules for striking scorpions?

Mandiblasters cause wounds on 4+ and they come with stealh and have shrouding until they shoot or fight in combat. Besides that its lots of copy pasting.

Thanks! At least my Dakka Falcon will be cheaper then!

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
I have not heard anything about rangers, are they still troops? What if anything changed with them? How much do they cost?

Can you still make pathfinders, or do you need to take that ranger HQ guy still?

Rangers have shrouded, and are the exact same as before. Illic is there, his weapon works like it used to, it is NOT D. and his old bonuses only work on rangers.

Okay, can you elaborate a bit on this?

Can Illic still upgrade ALL units of Rangers to Pathfinders(granting Precision Shots on all hits, same as Illic)? Or is that option just completely gone aside from putting him into a unit of Rangers?

Illic makes the unit of rangers he joins get precision shots same as illic.

Pathfinders are gone.

That's nonsense then.

Pathfinders aren't gone, they just moved to the Tau codex

Which units are troops choices? Same as before?

Bharring wrote:
Aside from Deep Striking if and only if you take 3, was there any change at all to Falcons? (I haven't seen their page in any of the leaks)

I'll have to go and grab my Codex today so I can pick at the language on the Deep Strike rule. This one is really bizarre to me... because how the heck do you land 3 falcons beside each other on a table, with two at 4" apart from the first... On most of our tables, that's all but impossible on the opponent's deployment zone (since we have a lot of terrain). Certainly, my opponent could severely limit where I can deep strike.

rangers lost stealth, so no doubling up with illics shrouding like they used to.

Guess rangers are paying for the 3rd ed list still.


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 Talys wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Aside from Deep Striking if and only if you take 3, was there any change at all to Falcons? (I haven't seen their page in any of the leaks)

I'll have to go and grab my Codex today so I can pick at the language on the Deep Strike rule. This one is really bizarre to me... because how the heck do you land 3 falcons beside each other on a table, with two at 4" apart from the first... On most of our tables, that's all but impossible on the opponent's deployment zone (since we have a lot of terrain). Certainly, my opponent could severely limit where I can deep strike.

Falcons don't scatter, that's how!


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lustigjh wrote:
Which units are troops choices? Same as before?

Guardians (both kinds)
Jetibkes
Avengers
Rangers

Nothing moves slots.

Nerf serpents and buff falcons. Excellent move GW.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's nonsense then.

rangers get shrouded instead of stealth now, same price, so they basically just buffed all rangers to pathfinders

 Ravenous D wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I've missed it and can't track it down... What's the codex specific formation bonus? Maximum run rolls?

Yup! Auto 6" run, which makes them all sorts of awesome.

So, yea. No one is talking about this. It's probably one of the most powerful things in the codex. Anything that you can remove a dice roll from is immediately strong. More so in a game of premeasurement.

 TheKbob wrote:


So, yea. No one is talking about this. It's probably one of the most powerful things in the codex. Anything that you can remove a dice roll from is immediately strong. More so in a game of premeasurement.

I use the bunkerpult for my wraithguard, for me to get the auto 6 is a big deal, cause there is so many times that will help.

Yeah it's crazy powerful it's been mentioned before but with the warhost these are the possible movements for the units

Dire Avengers : Move 12" still shoot
Fire Dragons : Move 12" Still Shoot
Swooping Hawks : Move 24" Still Shoot
WARP SPIDERS : Move 6 + 2D6 + 6 + 2D6.
Banshees : Move 15"
Scorpions : Move 12"

Wraith Host : Move 12" Still Shoot

Is Holofields a copy/paste or is it an invuln like in the Harlies book?

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah it's crazy powerful it's been mentioned before but with the warhost these are the possible movements for the units

Dire Avengers : Move 12" still shoot
Fire Dragons : Move 12" Still Shoot
Swooping Hawks : Move 24" Still Shoot
WARP SPIDERS : Move 6 + 2D6 + 6 + 2D6.
Banshees : Move 15"
Scorpions : Move 12"

Wraith Host : Move 12" Still Shoot

Even better when combined with the aspect host, 90 Bs5 shots from 30 dire avengers with a threat range of 30" (or 36" from serpents)


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 mars2024 wrote:
Is Holofields a copy/paste or is it an invuln like in the Harlies book?

Same points, but is a 5++

I am curious why people are saying copy paste? It seems like every unit has had significant changes to how it works?

I dont think in general people like HUGE revamps and complete changes. They like little tweeks that make more units more viable. I think we are finally seeing the ability to run aspects(and not be gimping yourself). Which has been wanted for multiple editions.

as someone with a small eldar army(but is not planning on building it up) I am really excited to see the new builds that will be coming out of this book. sure there are the spam builds but they will eventually be countered and so it will be the TAC.

While I worry about facing three wraithknights I am excited about the prospect. They are gonna be easier to kill than AD lance lol so not too worried.

 Leth wrote:
I am curious why people are saying copy paste? It seems like every unit has had significant changes to how it works? Do you mean stats

The wording is identical on a lot of things, where as most rules are usually entirely rewritten there is a lot of things that have just been straight ports. There is still lots of original content but you can see that they did copy paste a lot.

Like the crimson hunter, they forgot that characters don't have precision shots... but the rule is identical.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I am curious why people are saying copy paste? It seems like every unit has had significant changes to how it works? Do you mean stats

The wording is identical on a lot of things, where as most rules are usually entirely rewritten there is a lot of things that have just been straight ports. There is still lots of original content but you can see that they did copy paste a lot.

Like the crimson hunter, they forgot that characters don't have precision shots... but the rule is identical.

True, but still overall I am happy with what I have seen and looking forward to seeing that it has to offer.

Honestly the most annoying thing is trying to memorize all the specific special rules for the units/formation bonuses. Still should not take long(I only play one game)

Do/can normal dark reapers get flakk missiles?( cant rememberthere actual name.)

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Leth wrote:
I am curious why people are saying copy paste? It seems like every unit has had significant changes to how it works? Do you mean stats

The wording is identical on a lot of things, where as most rules are usually entirely rewritten there is a lot of things that have just been straight ports. There is still lots of original content but you can see that they did copy paste a lot.

Like the crimson hunter, they forgot that characters don't have precision shots... but the rule is identical.

Except that the Crimson Hunter Exarch actually has the Precision Shots special rule.




All in all, except for the blatantly overpowered parts (which IMHO is only the Wraithknight, Wraithguard and D-cannon), this codex is actually pretty awesome. There are some units with questionable value, but nothing that's ridiculously bad, and a way to make any unit very viable if you absolutely must run it.

The only two units that are objectionably bad are Wraith Lords and Shining Spears.

Everything else is straight up better.

Skullhammer wrote:
Do/can normal dark reapers get flakk missiles?( cant rememberthere actual name.)

Yes.