Adepta Sororitas are coming, what do you want to see in the new codex ?

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**aka_mythos**

Ashiraya wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
Any thing that distances SoB from the perception they are female marines is a positive... anything that makes them more like marines is a negative.

Better get rid of the bolters then.

If they did, would it be so bad? -I don't think so. My 30k militia are powered armored and run around with R30 S4 and R18 S5 las weapons... purely from a game design stand point nothing says they have to carry bolters just because marines do.

**ERJAK**

I just want sister's new rules to be so criminally broken that demon and eldar players have seizures everytime they hear the word EXORCIST.

**Reavas**

Penitent Engine: Make them MC's and 3 to box on 50mm bases

3 to a box? ahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah

you wish

**mmzero252**

Reavas wrote:
Penitent Engine: Make them MC's and 3 to box on 50mm bases

3 to a box? ahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah

you wish

It's GW. They'll sell them 1/2 to a box. Minimum squad size of 4.

**Souleater**

Maybe we will see Sisters return to T4.

My main wish is to see a fantastic new range of plastic models.

Looking at AoS they have done some fantastic looking stuff, so I am very hopeful.

As to Bolter and Powered Armour....Sisters have had those since day one of WH40K. It is part of their identity.

**aka_mythos**

Reavas wrote:
Penitent Engine: Make them MC's and 3 to box on 50mm bases

3 to a box? ahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah

you wish

I don't think its too crazy... 3 Crisis suits to a box for $75... at the end of the day the Penitent engines is just pretty much a sentinel with arms.

**Future War Cultist**

Is it better to give each unit their own unique act have of faith or have a list that all units can choose from? Probably the first for simplicities sake.

And I accept the power armour and bolt guns. It's a grandmother clause and it's too far gone to go back on.

**dracpanzer**

I prefer each squad type having their own AoF. A 20 strong BSS squad with Rending bolters and flamers sounds cool, but what will that do to their overall points price? The only unit AoF that doesn't fit the unit are the Celestians. Though more than anything in the Codex Celestians need to be torn down, re-thought and put back together, right this time.

**Salted Diamond**

Pouncey wrote:
The thing I want most from the new Codex is to be only average in power.

I absolutely, positively, do not ever want the Sisters of Battle Codex to ever be the most powerful Codex in the game.

I would honestly rather have Sisters of Battle be the least powerful army in the game than the most powerful.

And I, honestly, am frightened that Games Workshop might view the Sororitas history of low sales numbers, and consciously decide that to ensure the success of the new models, they need to make the Sisters of Battle Codex overpowered to convince as many people to get into the army as possible.

A situation where Sisters of Battle are overpowered is, frankly, a nightmare scenario for me.

Many of you, undoubtedly, do not understand why I fear my army being powerful. Why I do not want to be the most powerful in the game.

The reason stems back to 2012, when I was talking to a long-term Grey Knights player on Dakka, and he described what it was like for him in 2011 when the 5e Grey Knights Codex came out.

Those FotM comments that people make about people who people who play the most powerful army... Those comments are indiscriminatory. No one who makes those comments bothers to find out anything about the person they're making them about. They are not limited to only people who did switch armies to be the most powerful, they are also leveled at long-term players of the army who would've been playing it anyways.

A particular situation he described was the most damning evidence of all that no matter what, you cannot get people to stop making those comments until your army is no longer the overpowered one. He was setting up for a game against a buddy he'd been playing against for years, who knew how long he'd been playing Grey Knights and that they were his main army the whole time. That friend, who knew him, who knew how long he'd been playing Grey Knights, who had the most first-hand knowledge that is possible that the Grey Knights player he was facing was not a FotM army switcher, looked at the Grey Knights, and made one of those rude comments people make when they're up against the FotM army. The Grey Knights player pointed out how he should know Grey Knights was his main army. The answer was, as I recall, "Oh. Yeah. Been a while since you've pulled them out though."

This guy had not gotten the new models. All of his Grey Knights were metal and well-painted and based. Still, he received those comments constantly.

My main army for the past... getting close to a decade now at least... has been Sisters of Battle. They are the only faction I am willing to play in the TTG. My collection has been complete for five years and I have had faith that the plastics will come someday ever since, though my hope has wavered from time to time.

If Sisters of Battle become overpowered, every time I talk about my army to anyone online who knows about WH40k tabletop, I am going to hear those comments.

Every time I come to Dakka, I am going to receive those comments. It is inevitable.

Sisters of Battle being overpowered would make discussing WH40k tabletop unpleasant to the point I may simply stop discussing it altogether until a new FotM army appears.

And not a single one of the people on this forum will care how long I have played Sisters of Battle. Not a single person will feel bad that the things they're saying are ruining my enjoyment of WH40k. They will all feel fully justified.

And frankly, they're directing their anger at the completely wrong place. Sisters of Battle players will have had no hand in making the army overpowered. No FotM army is overpowered because the players made it overpowered. Players do not have any control over how powerful anything is. That decision lies fully, completely with the game designers. The people who wrote those rules into existence.

But people are going to insult me like I had something to do with it.

Part of me, as a long time SoB player, would love and laugh if they became OP, I agree that I don't want them to become FotM. I experienced that with BA. I had been playing the PDF codex for awhile when the 5th ed dropped, and suddenly BA players were coming of the woodworks, and I was getting the FotM comments. In all honesty I'd be happy with a mostly balanced codex with decient rules and effective formations.

**Rolsheen**

It's been a while since I've read Enforcer by Matthew Farrer but I always thought that had a good representation of what Sisters were all about.

1.) Battle Sisters should keep their iconic armour and bolters, new 10 model box set to make Celestian, Dominion and normal Sisters
2.) Saint Celestine gains Eternal Warrior, new model same size as Riptide
3.) Seraphim should have access to power lances, give them more angelic feel. Wings instead of jump packs like Stormcast Prosecutors. new 5 model box.
4.) Missionaries and Militia should be included for cheap cannon fodder, new box set to include both
5.) Retribuors should be given heavier armour like Centurions, new box of 3 models
6.) Repentia to be cheaper suicide squad or changed to small Deathcult Assassin squad, 10 model or 5 model box
7.) Penitent Engine access to wider range of weapons, new plastic box
8.) Exorcist just needs to be slightly redesigned, new plastic box shared with Immolator
9.) Enlarged Aquilla made into transport / gunship, new plastic box

**adamsouza**

Reavas wrote:
Penitent Engine: Make them MC's and 3 to box on 50mm bases

3 to a box? ahahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhah

you wish

Considering they are just Adepta Sorortas Killa Kans, available 3 to box for $46.25, I don't see it being a big stretch

and as someone else already pointed out

XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team, 3 for $75

**Oberron**

St celestine becoming EW and t4/5 would be fantastic, repentia turned into troops or keep as elites that are cheaper or either an assault vehicle

I like the seraphim as is as an harassment squad but there should be another type for them to be more melee focused (as others have suguessted), exorcist being vehicle squads of 1-3 like the penitent engine, pen engines need to be MC like the dreadknight, a flyer of any type, retributors need something to make them worth concidering (grav or las cannons options to make them unique).

Re-work acts of faith to last the entire round and usable more than once as long as you keep making the leadership checks and done during either the start of the turn or psy phase

For their decurion army wide bonus improve their ++ to a 5++

Repentants formation
2 squads of Repentia
1 squad of Pentitent engine

Bonus:Repentia ignore unwieldy and gain furious charge , PE gain FNP that Repentia do when Repentia make their AOF

Holy fire formation
1 squad exocist
2-3 max squads of Retributors

bonus: re-roll missiles for exocist, re-roll to-hit for rets

Edit:

Rets become t4 with 2+ artificer armor

**Captain Joystick**

adamsouza wrote:

Considering they are just Adepta Sorortas Killa Kans, available 3 to box for $46.25, I don't see it being a big stretch

Penitent Engines are not nearly that small.

**aka_mythos**

The Killa Kans are certainly smaller, but the Penitent engine isn't that much bigger. The original model was pretty much a heavily converted sentinel with a new crew cab and arms. If the Penitent engine becomes a multi-model unit it'd probably be more like the Crisis suit box.

I think what I want to see is the Penitent engine model get Dreadknight sized larger while the SoB should get some smaller more like centurion armor sized version to give SoB an almost dreadnought but heavy infantry unit.

**adamsouza**

Captain Joystick wrote:
adamsouza wrote:

Considering they are just Adepta Sorortas Killa Kans, available 3 to box for $46.25, I don't see it being a big stretch

Penitent Engines are not nearly that small.

They are taller because they have longer legs, but they fill the same role.

Give them some MC stats, 1-3 per selection, 3 to a box for $80, and a formation that uses 9 of them, and you have something along with the trends of recent codex releases.

I'd prefer bumping them up to something similar to a Deathknight, but since all anyone fields for GK is Termies and Deathknights, I don't think GW will pursue that avenue again.

**Captain Joystick**

aka_mythos wrote:
The Killa Kans are certainly smaller, but the Penitent engine isn't that much bigger. The original model was pretty much a heavily converted sentinel with a new crew cab and arms. If the Penitent engine becomes a multi-model unit it'd probably be more like the Crisis suit box.

adamsouza wrote:

They are taller because they have longer legs, but they fill the same role.

Give them some MC stats, 1-3 per selection, 3 to a box for $80, and a formation that uses 9 of them, and you have something along with the trends of recent codex releases.

I'm not (just) talking in terms of height here. If you had to draw comparison to another kit, the Penitent Engine is closer to a Deff Dread or a Sentinel, its legs are so long it's poseability is visibly constrained by the size of its base, if you even try to pose it right it's arms will hang well over the edge the base. A new model would easily be somewhere between a dreadnought and a sentinel in terms of sheer volume of plastic. By comparison the Killa-Kans fit rather comfortably on their base, even dreadnoughts don't have a problem with their arms hanging over the side, not usually, anyway, and crisis suits are so much smaller than any of these I have no idea why people keep bringing them up.

You can take dreadnoughts in units of 1-3, GW still sells them individually as a rule, I don't see them selling a plastic Penitent Engine (that's the same size as the existing one) for any less than a dreadnought, and at that point bundling them into threes is going to put people off, especially if the PEs stay as bad in-game as they have consistently been in multiple iterations of the Sisters' codex.

**JohnHwangDD**

Captain Joystick wrote:
the Penitent Engine is closer to a Deff Dread or a Sentinel,

I don't see them selling a plastic Penitent Engine (that's the same size as the existing one) for any less than a dreadnought, and at that point bundling them into threes is going to put people off, especially if the PEs stay as bad in-game as they have consistently been in multiple iterations of the Sisters' codex.

This is basically right. The PE is just a really big target. Stat-wise, I'd say AV10/10/10 with a 4++ Power Field (Front, only), dual DNCCWs with regular Flamers (fire both as a Heavy Flamer). 90 pts or so, based on Sentinel pricing.

**Inevitable_Faith**

I'd like there to be a list (perhaps like 6 AoF useful in different scenarios) of Acts of faith that any faithful unit may use as long as they pass a leadership test. Perhaps for each faithful unit on the board at the beginning of the movement phase you generate 1 faith point, that way larger army has a larger faith pool and vice versa. Then during your movement you declare a unit, declare the AoF and substract the required faith points (not all AoF will cost 1 point, some may be more) and make your Ld test. As long as you have faith points you can use as many AoF as you can afford but only 1 AoF per unit. I feel like that'd be fun, tactically versatile and would scale with the army. I really dislike the book-keeping I have to do right now to remember which units have already used their AoF this game, or trying to remember which unit has which AoF. The other problem with locking an AoF to a specific unit is that based on what weapons you equip them with their AoF may be significantly less useful. Doms with flamers or rets with multi-meltas for example.

Bolters and Power Armour is fine by me, it's pretty old-school SoB so it'd be weird to change it. I would like to see some SoB specific flamer and melta variants though. Perhaps even a SoB storm bolter variant too. Keep the holy trinity but give us some unique flair to the core weapons.

Celestians struggle for a role and I'm hard-pressed to think of anything that'd make everyone happy. I thought they'd be cool with storm bolters and a storm shield equilivent, kind of as a defender squad to hold the line but I doubt many people would feel that fits them thematically. To fit the "close combat" role that I think the digidex currently has for them I think they'd need some interesting special rules to make these S3 T3 girls worthwhile in melee, especially considering we have eviscerator wielding crazies already.

**Stormonu**

I'm not too familiar with SoB, but if GW wanted me to buy in, this is what I'd like to see:

HQ

- Celestine - needs to look more impressive
- Remove Jacobus; replace her with a Joan of Arc sort of character that has a sacrifice mechanic (she takes damage so other units/models can survive)
- (New) Mother Superior - armed with a combibolter
- Canoness - remodel so the open book is on her belt
- Redo Missionary as a female character that looks less medieval

ELITES

- A Sister "Choir" which has psychic-like abilities (which they ascribe to being "acts of faith" to justify their use/existance, even though they're worked out like psychic powers).

TROOPS
- Sisters - remake 'em in plastic
- Repentia - incorporate a bolter into the base of the chainsaw

DEDICATED TRANSPORT

- A Flu er-de-lis shaped drop pod?
- An open-topped "wagon-like" transport - maybe something that looks like a SDKFZ 251 Hanomag (could be taken as heavy support with options like a multimelta or other heavy weapons)?

FAST ATTACK
- Sepharim (making the backpack more wing-like)
- (New) Sisters on hoverbikes - say, something akin to this (or something like Harleys with wings)?

- A reverse trike vehicle like the Polaris Slingshot - with some sort of melta or flamer weapon:

HEAVY SUPPORT
- A slight redesign to the exorcist so the "pipes" looks slightly more like a katayusha rocket launcher (in that they are at more of a slanting angle instead of straight up). Until I read the model's entry, I thought it was a silly-looking sonic weapon of some sort, not a missile launcher.

**Salted Diamond**

Stormonu wrote:
I'm not too familiar with SoB, but if GW wanted me to buy in, this is what I'd like to see:

HQ
- (New) Mother Superior - armed with a combibolter
- Canoness - remodel so the open book is on her belt

I like you list for the most part, but inplace of a higher ranks Canoness, I think we need a cheaper lower ranked one. From the old Witchhunters codex, a Palatine.

If you want to go higher then the correct names (in order from low to high) would be Canoness Commander/ Canoness Preceptor/ Canoness Superiror. Mother Superiror just dosn't sound right to me.

**EnTyme**

Gamgee wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
So, do we have confirmation or not? Is this a true thing (finally), or just another empty wish/troll attempt from desperate fans/GWtrollHQ?

Lady Atia says its true so it is. The video teased says 6 months or so. Give or take depending on any delays that could happen.

Technically, the video said "several months" and didn't give a specific number. I do agree that Atia saying it more or less confirms the rumor in my mind. My guess is Q1 2017, so 6 months would be about right.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Ashiraya wrote:
But if so, they have the potential to become my absolute favourite army.

That would be absolutely hilarious!

adamsouza wrote:
Adepta Sororitas run around in divine powered armor, and their spiritual leader runs around in a robe.

Well, the big thing is: the Priest is a civilian. The Sisters are military. The Priest use his ceremonial garb.

On topic, I want Frateris Militia and I really really want a 40k version of the Grail reliquary to go with them.

**aka_mythos**

In the Age of Apostasy before the SoB when the Ecclesiarchy had their armies... I have to imagine there are some other demilitarized remnants of units from that era... Frateris milita are good example of that having been part of the Ecclesiarchy's army back in the day but now benefiting from work arounds by being more of an ad-how force. Other things like the Redemptionist gangs represent similar sorts of ad-hoc forces serving the Ecclesiarchy.

**Jimsolo**

If we're blatantly wishlisting?

* Sisters in lighter armor with rules to reflect more of a skirmisher role, as an alternate troop choice.

* An Elites choice that represents a dedicated CC option, preferably with some tool which enables them to reach/survive CC.

* Some type of Chariot in a FA slot. Something that can do a little hardcore assaulting, but primarily gives a support buff to units within a certain radius.

* Some kind of towering construct-colossus in a Heavy slot. An MC (or dare I say it, GMC) that is slow but extremely powerful, like some kind of living statuary.

**Milkshaker**

What I'd like to see based on the kit rumours from a while ago is:

– 5-model combo-unit Sisters infantry kit
Battle sister/Retributor/dominion combo kit

– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit
(very much wishlisting) a saint celestine like squad. Angel-winged power armored multi wound flaming sword wielding angels of doom. possibly 2 wound FMC's. Awesome in assault, no shooting attack at all maybe. I imagine this isn't a popular thing to wish for, though :(

– 5 model Sisters unit on 32mm bases kit (different from the infantry unit listed above)
Celestian/Seraphim combo kit

– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “A” kit
Rhino/immolator

– Sororitas combo unit vehicle kit “B” kit
Excorsist/anti air vehicle

– Sororitas Walker/Monstrous Creature vehicle kit
Penitent engine

– 3 clampack Sororitas characters
celestine/cannoness/priest

**Ezr91aeL**

It would be incredibly cool if Sisters could get something similar to Centurians but a bit less armoured but with a powerfull jumpack, for example something like this:

ARCHANGEL SQUAD - 160 pt

ARCHANGEL SISTER ---------------------------- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry
ARCHANGEL SISTER SUPERIOR ----------- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry (Character)
ARCHANGEL VET. SISTER SUPERIOR ---- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-2 Ld-9 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry (Character)

UNIT COMPOSITION: 2 Archangel Sisters, 1 Archangel Sister Superior

WARGEAR:
TL Heavy Flamers
Jumpack
Two Eviscerators

SPECIAL RULES:
Shield of Faith
Act of Faith (something cool I dont know)
Slow and Purposeful
Very Bulky

OPTIONS:
-May include up to two additional Archangels ------------------------------------------- 50 pt / model
-Any model may replace its TL Heavy Flamers with on o the following:
___TL Heavy Bolters ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- free
___TL Multi-Melta -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15 pt / model
-Upgrade Archangel Sister Superior to Archangel Veteran Sister Superior ------ 10 pt

The Jumpack would compensate the lack of a Land Raider transport and would made them a great melee unit for the Sisterhood.

**Milkshaker**

Ezr91aeL wrote:
It would be incredibly cool if Sisters could get something similar to Centurians but a bit less armoured but with a powerfull jumpack, for example something like this:

ARCHANGEL SQUAD - 160 pt

ARCHANGEL SISTER ---------------------------- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry
ARCHANGEL SISTER SUPERIOR ----------- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry (Character)
ARCHANGEL VET. SISTER SUPERIOR ---- WS-4 BS-4 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-4 A-2 Ld-9 Sv-2+ --------- Infantry (Character)

UNIT COMPOSITION: 2 Archangel Sisters, 1 Archangel Sister Superior

*Snip*

This sounds cool indeed. Although I'd rather have them have a mystical origin like the saint celestine rather than a technological one. I think the hypocrisy theme that they have mutants (that just look like angels) is a lot cooler than the tech route.

**Brutus_Apex**

A giant rolling cathedral tank

lots of angel wings and cherubs everywhere

a winged chariot

more musical weapons a la the exorcist

close combat heavy sisters with swords and shields

more fanatical units like the penitent engine and repentas

**Ezr91aeL**

Brutus_Apex wrote:

close combat heavy sisters with swords and shields

Could be simple giving Celestian the possibility to substitute their Boltgun with a Chainsword (free) or a Power Weapon (10 pt) and their Boltpistol with a Praesidium Protectiva (15 pt)

PS: The Cathedral Tank is a must!

**Mr Morden**

Brutus_Apex wrote:
A giant rolling cathedral tank

lots of angel wings and cherubs everywhere

a winged chariot

more musical weapons a la the exorcist

close combat heavy sisters with swords and shields

more fanatical units like the penitent engine and repentas

I heartily approve of all of these!