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After reading this thread I have lost the sliver of faith I had left for humanity. Well done BTP!
But in a more on topic tone, I can not phanthom why these weasels still roam freely
sorry for the quality not able to do anythig else at this time.
Wow sounds like you got really screwed, sorry to hear. Will def tell people to stay away from BTP since this is far from the first bad things I've heard from them, but probably the worst.
filbert wrote: Any chance of a quick text precis for those of us not able to view the video?
Basically BTP kept asking for continuations and tried to drown him in legal bills. Eventually they settled and would pay lawyer fees and the cost of the army, and were allowed to do so over two years with no interest on a payment plan. BTP then paid the bare minimum for lawyer fees and then stopped paying and ran away from being served. Eventually OP could go after assets but does not have the money to get into another legal battle so BTP gets off scot free
Can you not ask for summary judgements in the U.S.? What a shame, start a gofundme, I'm sure the community will back you to go after this scumbag.
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filbert wrote: Any chance of a quick text precis for those of us not able to view the video?
Basically BTP kept asking for continuations and tried to drown him in legal bills. Eventually they settled and would pay lawyer fees and the cost of the army, and were allowed to do so over two years with no interest on a payment plan. BTP then paid the bare minimum for lawyer fees and then stopped paying and ran away from being served. Eventually OP could go after assets but does not have the money to get into another legal battle so BTP gets off scot free
Can you not ask for summary judgements in the U.S.? What a shame, start a gofundme, I'm sure the community will back you to go after this scumbag.
yes... and I got one. But if they chose to to pay after this you still have to go back to the lawyers... as an individual its near impossible to force someone to pay.
Posted over on your Youtube, but man, what a scumbag. Sorry this happened to you, but thank you for making a video on how this all resolved. Hopefully people will no longer use BTP and understand the scam they run.
jreilly89 wrote: Posted over on your Youtube, but man, what a scumbag. Sorry this happened to you, but thank you for making a video on how this all resolved. Hopefully people will no longer use BTP and understand the scam they run.
Since he's gone from operating a large studio with gaming tables to what appears to be operating out of his lounge on his videos, I'd say this case has, along with other factors such as a divorce, given his business a hammering. Given that I've also watched some of his 'unique' ramblings on his other videos as Shawn Gately along with his stream of thought specials on his BTP youtube account, I doubt he perceives any of this as his fault or responsibility but rather the universe 'testing his resolve in his dream' or somesuch...
ie he's round the twist and anyone who has access to his history of smoke and mirrors and dubious business practice and still gives him money is similarly insane.
filbert wrote: Any chance of a quick text precis for those of us not able to view the video?
Basically BTP kept asking for continuations and tried to drown him in legal bills. Eventually they settled and would pay lawyer fees and the cost of the army, and were allowed to do so over two years with no interest on a payment plan. BTP then paid the bare minimum for lawyer fees and then stopped paying and ran away from being served. Eventually OP could go after assets but does not have the money to get into another legal battle so BTP gets off scot free
Can you not ask for summary judgements in the U.S.? What a shame, start a gofundme, I'm sure the community will back you to go after this scumbag.
yes... and I got one. But if they chose to to pay after this you still have to go back to the lawyers... as an individual its near impossible to force someone to pay.
Sorry this happened to you and yes, that is about what I know about the process of trying to get someone to pay. The moment you said payment plan, I was thinking you needed to put a lean on his house or some other tangible asset.
I remember when Miniwargaming endorsed these guys. Didn't they stick with BTP for a bit before pulling their endorsement?
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Trondheim wrote: After reading this thread I have lost the sliver of faith I had left for humanity. Well done BTP!
But in a more on topic tone, I can not phanthom why these weasels still roam freely
Because they're good at running away from people trying to serve them like the scumbag cowards they are.
curran12 wrote: I think we need to really go out and inform every possible site about this practice. This can't possibly stand.
If it's any consolation, the person mentioned in the original post has decided not to go forward with the project, in large part due to this thread. He decided the money would be better spent on a guitar.
I agree, something needs to be done. Daniel-Mandelbaum-style chicanery and predation should not be tolerated by a worldwide community of enthusiastic hobbyists, nor does it have to be. Shawn has had long enough to correct the problem and we should now be looking at collective action as a means of addressing this injustice.
Maybe a first step it to ask the mods to include a sticky warning in the Swap Shop about dealing with BTP? We could create a poll asking people if they would support such an action. This would get a good deal of exposure and perhaps cause Shawn to come to the table with tenebre.
A second action would be to call for a public boycott of Valhalla. It's an event organized by BTP that is enjoyed by some serious gamers, but it comes at the expense of people like tenebre. Perhaps we go forward with a public awareness campaign to alert people about the relationship between the event and the actions of it's host. While this may not impact who attends, it may affect who publicizes their attendance.
A third action might be to do a comment campaign, where a bunch of people comment on everything Shawn does asking when he's going to pay the judgement laid against him. Shawn is a public figure who uses social media as a means of conducting business, negative comments from a lot of people together would be very hard for him to run away from.
Well, I've started a thread on MWG's site, maybe if we can get a lot of posts there, it will help to spread the word? I like the idea of a call to boycott Valhalla, and mass campaign of making sure that this doesn't just slither away and die.
How much money woul tenebre need to go down the asset siezing route? Is thsr something we could crowdfund? I'd hate for this guy to think he's getting away with anything
sorry for the quality not able to do anythig else at this time.
Oh good god man. I followed the whole sad adventure with BTP (and what...50+ pages on that thread?) but was pleased that at the end, it seemed you had at least gotten closure on this and the community stepping up to bring that army to a good place. To find out you actually didn't even have that satisfaction of settlement and he's literally running away from his own legal agreements is a huge disappointment =/
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Are you guys paying him? You should tell him you'll be paying his services directly to Tenebre so that the funds are going to the guy who rightfully deserves them! Shawn is a scumbag who deserves nothing but contempt. +1 to the gofundme thing!!
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timetowaste85 wrote: Are you guys paying him? You should tell him you'll be paying his services directly to Tenebre so that the funds are going to the guy who rightfully deserves them! Shawn is a scumbag who deserves nothing but contempt. +1 to the gofundme thing!!
No. And whether or not we were, I'm not going to listen to some internet gunslinger on what I should be doing with my money.
I have no horse in this fight, I was just simply clarifying an incorrect statement that someone had made earlier.
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Herzlos wrote: How much money woul tenebre need to go down the asset siezing route? Is thsr something we could crowdfund? I'd hate for this guy to think he's getting away with anything
I'm sure these suggestions were made, but it seems they were taken down for being unhelpful or inappropriate. I guess someone didn't like the idea.
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Herzlos wrote: How much money woul tenebre need to go down the asset siezing route? Is thsr something we could crowdfund? I'd hate for this guy to think he's getting away with anything
I'm sure these suggestions were made, but it seems they were taken down for being unhelpful or inappropriate. I guess someone didn't like the idea.
The comments I've seen taken down were along the lines of 'well you could always get your money back off them by other means *wink**wink* *nudge**nudge* *totally not being clever*, not necessarily about proposing a crowdfund effort.
Yeah, Shawn is a Scumbag. He lost most of his painters too actually, that is something he wont tell you. Its down to a few "Interns" from what I hear from former painters.
He is a loon who believes he is revolutionizing the painting industry. Not someone who is scamming people out of their money.
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