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Terminators have two attacks - that's an upgrade, isn't it? I thought they only have one in 7th.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

The Deer Hunter wrote:
I was wondering how will be keeping track of remaining wounds with all this multi-wounds models. Dices? Markers?

Every time a move my tanks I have to move a ton of markers... or I cant imagine 7 tracking dices spread on the battlefield.. oops, I touched your Rhino's dice, how many were its wounds, 5? No, it were 7! No, no I'm sure, no more then 5, I shoot it in the first turn then again in third, remember?

No I don't, you are cheating.......

Use Adobe to add wound boxes to the data sheets. Print them out and laminate them (about $0.25/ea). Mark off damage with white board markers during the game.

Do you want a cookie? You deserve it for that idea
Simple and effective.

Yeah it works well in various games from Skirmish to Navy/Space ship battles. Might be worth suggesting to GW as something to add to datacards if they have not already.

You should send them an email

zerosignal wrote:
Terminators have two attacks - that's an upgrade, isn't it? I thought they only have one in 7th.

They've.. had 2A since a long time. Terminator honors used to bump things up +1A.

I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

Literally all we've seen is the profile.
We don't know anything about the changes to their wargear and special rules.

It's a bit early to conclude that they've not made Terminators accurate to the fluff (even though being tough WAS a big part of their fluff alongside Tactical Insertion).

 Rippy wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

The Deer Hunter wrote:
I was wondering how will be keeping track of remaining wounds with all this multi-wounds models. Dices? Markers?

Every time a move my tanks I have to move a ton of markers... or I cant imagine 7 tracking dices spread on the battlefield.. oops, I touched your Rhino's dice, how many were its wounds, 5? No, it were 7! No, no I'm sure, no more then 5, I shoot it in the first turn then again in third, remember?

No I don't, you are cheating.......

Use Adobe to add wound boxes to the data sheets. Print them out and laminate them (about $0.25/ea). Mark off damage with white board markers during the game.

Do you want a cookie? You deserve it for that idea
Simple and effective.

Yeah it works well in various games from Skirmish to Navy/Space ship battles. Might be worth suggesting to GW as something to add to datacards if they have not already.

You should send them an email

The idea has already has been posted on facebook

Lack of initiative is depressing. Have DE not lost enough already?

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

I said it elsewhere, but that's kind of how I feel in regards to both Tacticals and Terminators.

I could have seen:
3W Terminators and Centurions
2W "Full" Astartes(Tactical, Assault, Devastator, etc)
1W Scouts

Hopefully Tacticals and Terminators have some rule that makes them a bit more survivable, because I personally feel like they missed a big opportunity here.

i dont know if someone already posted it

There's a thread for those.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

I said it elsewhere, but that's kind of how I feel in regards to both Tacticals and Terminators.

I could have seen:
3W Terminators and Centurions
2W "Full" Astartes(Tactical, Assault, Devastator, etc)
1W Scouts

Hopefully Tacticals and Terminators have some rule that makes them a bit more survivable, because I personally feel like they missed a big opportunity here.

Maybe they'll take cover against small arms.

I mean, if cover adds to a models save and a 1 isn't auto-fail, then Terminators could just be flat out immune to small arms. That would be interesting. Hard to come to any conclusion until all the context is in.

Also, if no Initiative, what does a Powerfist do? Maybe Terminators are absolute terrors in CC now. We just don't know.

Terminators were already decent at it, but they don't contribute until that stage. Plus, MCs laughing at them with universal AP 2 on their attacks.

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

Good, the fluff should always take a back seat to good gameplay. representing the fluff is important sure, but just think about this; D weapons and invisibility are the most fluff accurate rules in the game.

Now if only the storm bolter gets AP -1. That would make them actually useful.


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ERJAK wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

Good, the fluff should always take a back seat to good gameplay. representing the fluff is important sure, but just think about this; D weapons and invisibility are the most fluff accurate rules in the game.

Not really. Invis makes it so you can't template them or blast them. The most effective ways to hit invisible opponents. Besides, there are other ways to detect opponents than the visible spectrum of light, so it's not accurate there either.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

I said it elsewhere, but that's kind of how I feel in regards to both Tacticals and Terminators.

I could have seen:
3W Terminators and Centurions
2W "Full" Astartes(Tactical, Assault, Devastator, etc)
1W Scouts

Hopefully Tacticals and Terminators have some rule that makes them a bit more survivable, because I personally feel like they missed a big opportunity here.

Maybe they'll take cover against small arms.

I mean, if cover adds to a models save and a 1 isn't auto-fail, then Terminators could just be flat out immune to small arms. That would be interesting. Hard to come to any conclusion until all the context is in.

Also, if no Initiative, what does a Powerfist do? Maybe Terminators are absolute terrors in CC now. We just don't know.

One's will always auto fail, Sigmar used to not have this rule and it screwed EVERYTHING up and there are 0 models with native 2+ saves in sigmar.

As for terminators and marines, you're thinking about there durability relative to 7th's damage output which will likely not be the case.


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Martel732 wrote:
Now if only the storm bolter gets AP -1. That would make them actually useful.


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ERJAK wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think it's a pretty weak-dick improvement to Terminators honestly. It seems to come from a "let's make Terminators better", rather than "let's make Terminators more accurate to the fluff...".

Good, the fluff should always take a back seat to good gameplay. representing the fluff is important sure, but just think about this; D weapons and invisibility are the most fluff accurate rules in the game.

Not really. Invis makes it so you can't template them or blast them. The most effective ways to hit invisible opponents. Besides, there are other ways to detect opponents than the visible spectrum of light, so it's not accurate there either.

But some other BS as*pull justification as to why invisibilty could get around your BS as*pull explanation, followed up by talking about only using the ITC systems and how dumb it would be to randomly flamethrower/bomb areas just in case something invisible might be there.

See I can make up contrarian nonsense to make myself feel better too!

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