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nateprati wrote:
I love old Hammer. They should bring things back instead. All the way back

You should make a thread that is about that topic then.

 Rippy wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
The Sled. Y'all know the one.

While I normally would think none, this. The sled.[/quote

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 Sensual_T_Rex wrote:
Catachans I've never liked the look of them. I've also never met anyone who plays them in person. Seriously out of all the various imperial guard factions they could of kept (steel legion, iron guard, or valhallan) they had to stick with the wannabe Nam marines.

They're not just 'Nam dudes- they're all variations on Rambo.

And the plastics for them were a serious step down from their metal counterparts- and they've kept that particular mold in print forever.

Seriously, they should have guardsmen in trenchcoats with head options a long time ago. It could have been brilliant.

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 General Kroll wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

I play Space Wolves. I wish I could play a game without a joke about needing rabies shots. What happened to being badass space vikings?

Wolfwolfs and Fangfangs, and Thunderwolves, and Grimnar's Sleigh, are all extremely silly.

Agreed. This stuff is the only reason why I'm not returning to 8th as a Space Wolves player.

My understanding is that Imperial Fists are closest without the sillyness, but not sure I hate myself enough to paint the 30k yellow/black color scheme. Might just do Dark Angels.

There's nothing stopping you building a Viking themed Space Wolf Army. You don't have to go the full wolfening.

Yes but would it be still effective? Would it be as effective as a Dark Angels army that uses Deathwing and/or Ravenwing? Or even as effective as a basic Space Marine army?

The problem is that the silly stuff in the Space Wolves are also what gives them their main strength ATM. 8th might change this, and I hope it does, but otherwise I wouldn't know where to start in building a good wolf-less Space Wolf army.

I'm not saying to ingnore the units, just don't use the official models to represent them. Use standard tactical squads with an upgrade sprue etc. Make conversions to represent wulfen how you think they should look, and just use a stormraven instead of the wolfblimp it basically fills the same role.

 odinsgrandson wrote:

 Sensual_T_Rex wrote:
Catachans I've never liked the look of them. I've also never met anyone who plays them in person. Seriously out of all the various imperial guard factions they could of kept (steel legion, iron guard, or valhallan) they had to stick with the wannabe Nam marines.

They're not just 'Nam dudes- they're all variations on Rambo.

And the plastics for them were a serious step down from their metal counterparts- and they've kept that particular mold in print forever.

Seriously, they should have guardsmen in trenchcoats with head options a long time ago. It could have been brilliant.

Well thanks a lot . Now I can't stop thinking about all the Catachans talking like Rocky Balboa. Ehh you wanna survive war Ehh you gotta become war ADRIAN!!!

Ok, this mini:


Should be left in the same ditch they once left this mini:



Somehow, I feel that they're both Christmas themed.



Also, Jain Zar and her Mullet of Doom:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Guillimarines.

Burn them before they hatch.

Hey we agreed on something!

I hadn't even thought of the Space Wolves line...yes...feel free to axe about 90% of it, and re-do it was proper Space Vikings...please. I don't mind hopping on that dogpile. Those models are fething atrocious.

Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

The Taurox looks like 2 models that don't belong together, put together.

I think with a really minor rework it would be a terrific model.

Yeah I am probably going to buy wheel kits for the Taurox I'll eventually buy.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

Probably because it's one of the more recent ones, it has a concrete touchstone to measure it against (the chimera), and it's not quite obnoxious enough to make your brain purge it from your memory (like the sled, I'd actually managed to forget about that one) but obnoxious enough to stick out, and it's flaws are really obvious and super easy to fix (wheels, as mentioned, help a lot) but GW chooses to ignore that. TBH if you own 8 of them that's fine. Every aesthetic has some proponents who like it, and I'd be okay playing against an army with 8 of them.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

Probably because it's one of the more recent ones, it has a concrete touchstone to measure it against (the chimera), and it's not quite obnoxious enough to make your brain purge it from your memory (like the sled, I'd actually managed to forget about that one) but obnoxious enough to stick out, and it's flaws are really obvious and super easy to fix (wheels, as mentioned, help a lot) but GW chooses to ignore that. TBH if you own 8 of them that's fine. Every aesthetic has some proponents who like it, and I'd be okay playing against an army with 8 of them.

Ironically I only use them as Primes, which 8 of them can really really pour out the firepower! Ive only recently magnetized them to be regular tauroxes, although....with twinlinking giving extra shots a 4 shot auto cannon could be quite good to have on an armor platform.

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

partially it's because it's ugly, to most people at least, in mulitple ways (tracks dont look right and should have been wheels, the model is extremely "busy" with detail that clashes with the rest of the IG vehicle line, has a slightly "chibi" appearance, etc). Partially it's because it's tabletop effectiveness is has been...uninspiring. Partially it's because it wasnt really something that IG players were looking for when it got added and fills no real clear niche (at the same time GW removed several other, much liked units from the codex and hammer nerfed others inexplicably, like the Hydra), and partially because of a perception (rightly or wrongly) that the Chimera got nerfed unnecessarily to make the Taurox (as the new, dramatically more expensive, flashy kit) more attractive.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

partially it's because it's ugly, to most people at least, in mulitple ways (tracks dont look right and should have been wheels, the model is extremely "busy" with detail that clashes with the rest of the IG vehicle line, has a slightly "chibi" appearance, etc). Partially it's because it's tabletop effectiveness is has been...uninspiring. Partially it's because it wasnt really something that IG players were looking for when it got added and fills no real clear niche (at the same time GW removed several other, much liked units from the codex and hammer nerfed others inexplicably, like the Hydra), and partially because of a perception (rightly or wrongly) that the Chimera got nerfed unnecessarily to make the Taurox (as the new, dramatically more expensive, flashy kit) more attractive.

I can agree with it feeling forced, esp with the fire points going down. Interestingly enough hear that "fire points " are a thing of the past and lasgun array is the model for how new firepoints will work

As Primes however I always got my humble little tauroxes to be quite feared with their gatling cannons and twinlinked volley guns, esp once I started running them in the castellan formation and they kept recycling in once they died!

Tau & Necrons:
- entire line.

Imperial Guard:
- Taurox.
- Cadians, Valhallans, Mordians & Vostroyans.
Catachans need a new line for their grunts. Command squad and Hvy weapon teams are great. Rambo feels a little bit lonely by now. Therefore Schwarzenegger, Ventura & Weathers (Predator movie) need to be done as new special characters for the Nam vets. You just need retro badasses to save the galaxy and not silly Uber-Marines.

Space Marines:
- Centurions! Matrjoschkas. Are you kidding me, GW?
- Uber-Marines.
- Roboute.

Chaos Space Marines:
- Mutilators. I am quite astonished that nobody has mentioned them, yet. Jesus, their hideous mugs could even scare a GUO to death.
- Obliterators.
- Khorne Berzerkers.

Chaos Daemons:
- current Daemonettes. Where are our beloved Diaz Daemonettes?

Grey Knights:
- Dreadknight. Epic babycarrier fail.

Space Wolves:
- Santa with sled.
- Thunderwolves.
- Wulfen.
- Dreadnought with storm shield.

Ork deffkoptas, space marines flyers, penintent engines, exorcist, obliterator and mutilator (sculpts are very bad, I even liked mk1 obliterator.)

Can we just get a new Chaos Marine sprue, like something less the current one we've had ever since I started. To say...Something of the quality of the Dark Vengenace Chosen?

Other then that. I probably wouldn't miss the Ymmari, but considering they have a page on GW's 'factions' I doubt they will go the way of Squats.

I am honestly not a fan of both the Taurox or the Scions. They both just seemed to miss the mark. With a little tweaking the Taurox could be great, make it slightly shorter and give it wheels and I would love the thing. The Scions have some great ideas, but their armor looks a bit too much like a cleaned up version of Chaos plate mail. Even though they are highly trained and we'll equipped humans, they are in fact still just humans and die like humans. They should not have armor as ornate as a Space Marine Commander, whose armor has been passed down from other Marines and is a relic unto itself.

I like centurions.
I like tau. I think riptides are cool, and crisis suits are my second favourite models, closely behind LR tanks.
Just saying.

Non-sisters of battle models.
All of them. Except for the cults.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I am honestly not a fan of both the Taurox or the Scions. They both just seemed to miss the mark. With a little tweaking the Taurox could be great, make it slightly shorter and give it wheels and I would love the thing. The Scions have some great ideas, but their armor looks a bit too much like a cleaned up version of Chaos plate mail. Even though they are highly trained and we'll equipped humans, they are in fact still just humans and die like humans. They should not have armor as ornate as a Space Marine Commander, whose armor has been passed down from other Marines and is a relic unto itself.

Bring back Kasrkin!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Non-sisters of battle models.
All of them. Except for the cults.

You and you're sisters. Still holding out for the plastic sprues?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Non-sisters of battle models.
All of them. Except for the cults.

You and you're sisters. Still holding out for the plastic sprues?

Someday we'll see a image like this with "Warhammer Community" as the logo on it. Hear my words!

Tyanid skyslasher swarms, meteoric spores, and mycetic spores.

The number of different cheap nonsense spore models for nids is goofy. Get back to regular spore mines. Makes them scale well. Allow units like biovores, harpys, and sporecysts (should be a fortification) purchase units of spres as wargear but do not allow units of spores to be purchased on their own. They are only ever purchased that way to pay a tax. So dont allow it.

 Rippy wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
The Sled. Y'all know the one.

While I normally would think none, this. The sled.

On topic, I'm in the camp that *most* stuff has its place, and while many units deserve remodels (Taurox, Catachans, Dreadknight, Rough Riders, Ratlings, the face of the Ork that drives the Trukk), there are few models that deserve to be fully axed. Aforementioned sled comes to mind. I'm very split on Centurions. Their current model looks like it can hardly walk, and as mentioned by others, really steals the thunder of (read: spits on) Dreadnoughts and Terminators by squeezing in between the two and outclassing both. While being the ugliest of the three. However, with a better look, and by segregating the roles of each unit, I could see Cents sticking around.

I also agree that pure giant-suit Tau armies should die in a fire, but that's 100% a list building thing. 1) because all armies and their lists ought to have basic foot troops (and plenty of them IMO), which Tau do, yet 2) Fire Warriors look really, really cool, yet people don't bring them because formations are a thing, and 3) yes, Battletech is a thing if you want giant suits and nothing else. But I digress; I do like the aesthetic of the big Tau guys, even the Stormsurge; but without the little guys alongside them they start to look pretty ridiculous.

Edit: Add Deffkoptas to the remodel list, sort of. I love the AoBR ones, love em to death. The "current" ones ironically look more out of date, less capable of speeding along at breakneck speeds (I imagine them gently floating along like Lakitus from Mario games, pretty unfluffy for Orks) and definitely less attractive.

I vote for removing all the Super heavy and gargantuan things, fliers and basically anything introduced since the big models fetish started.

 Ouze wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
Whats with all the hate for the Taurox? Sure it seems ugly...but its got a lot of character! If you have ever seen one in person they really aren't that bad, wheels would have been nice but they really aren't THAT terrible, dont lump them in with baby carriers, wulfs riding wulfs and flying santa sleds.

On a side note, I own 8 of them

The Taurox looks like 2 models that don't belong together, put together.

I think with a really minor rework it would be a terrific model.

It looks like it's tip-toeing.


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Zustiur wrote:
I vote for removing all the Super heavy and gargantuan things, fliers and basically anything introduced since the big models fetish started.

So 40k?

Ratlings. I've never liked the fething space hobbits.

Helbrutes, the models are ugly and the frenzied rule is horrible.

Anything finecast.