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ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

 mmzero252 wrote:
Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

I fail to see how that addresses that the hypothetical plastic SoB are less popular then the new marines.

How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

Gamesworkshop is not a charity they only exist to make money by selling toys. When we start talking in the millions of dollars of models that 14% could be 1.4 million easily so yes 14% is a meaningful margin.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.

Well, considering that they haven't had a major release in 20 years and GW sweeps them under the carpet like some dirty secret, no wonder they don't sell well. It's likely that most of GW's target audience today barely even knows they exist.

 Fafnir wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.

Well, considering that they haven't had a major release in 20 years and GW sweeps them under the carpet like some dirty secret, no wonder they don't sell well. It's likely that most of GW's target audience today barely even knows they exist.

Been waiting for plastic sisters long enough to quit the game three times now, Every time i come back i look at the sisters army.

Yeh. But they're not coming.

Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

I fail to see how that addresses that the hypothetical plastic SoB are less popular then the new marines.

Literally everything else in the game is less popular than new marines. Or indeed old marines. Or slightly different marines made out of resin. Should GW only ever make plastic Marines from now on?

The question is not "will they outsell Marines", it's "will they make enough back over their development and tooling costs to be worthwhile" and it's fairly obvious that the answer to the latter question would be "yes, easily" because we live in a world where GW can rake in a fortune from brand new monopose sculpts that only show up in boxed games for ages, or from whole new ranges developed from a faction as previously goofy and forgotten as GSCult.

Even with a really limited release like GSCult - 10 SoB multikit(covering SoB, Celestians, Dominions, Retributors), 5 Seraphim box, Canoness blister, Rhino chassis multikit(Rhino, Immolator, Exorcist) - they'd do well. If GW went whole-hog and gave them a Cult+Skitarii scale revamp as the Ecclesiarchy, with all sorts of mental new Priestly character models, big box of plastic Frateris, Repentia(ideally with a slightly less overt "bondage nuns" component - subtext GW, not giant flashing neon text in comic sans), arco-flagellants etc I wager they'd do even better.

For myself, in the first case I'd grab an allied force, and in the second would probably have to remortgage.

I would buy the gak out of them if they ever came out.
Hell, plastic sisters are one of the few things that would get me buying from GW again, but the chances are we will not see them as GW has it stuck in their head that the Sisters do not sell, somehow unable to see how £55+ for ten 20 year old figures could possible have a negative impact on sales.

My entire Sister of Battle army is 2e metal. Of course I would buy new plastics!

SJ

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I can answer for them they always say the same thing.
“Hey NenkotaMoon we haven't heard of new SoB model yet but be sure to watch this space as we will tell you here is they come.”

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I can answer for them they always say the same thing.
“Hey NenkotaMoon we haven't heard of new SoB model yet but be sure to watch this space as we will tell you here is they come.”

Are you the GW facebook guy?!

I wouldn't buy an entire army, but I would totally buy a unit or two to use.

Edit - as long as they're actually armored and not half naked.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I did a few days ago, no reply. Not even a cheeky nod.


So I went and ended up placing an order for some of Grishnak's 'War Maidens' instead, straight from my "In Case of Sisters Break Glass" fund. And if this first squad does well, I'll start buying more with that same fund until it's all dried up. Because if GW doesn't want my money, someone else can have it.

They would definitely be profitable. Everyone talks about how they don't sell but it's been my entire life never seeing them on the shelf of a game store so how would they even know? That's the biggest problem with the stats on if they sell- everone just gets them off ebay instead of gw site for whatever reason.

I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

The girlfriend would play if she could buy plastic Sisters.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

One of my sisters, painted and assembled weighs about an ounce on my scale. Tin is about $10 per pound, and pewter is primarily tin, so her raw materials run about $0.75. Right now, I can buy 5 more of her for $35, which sets the price I pay at about $7.00 per model.

Looking around online, it costs about $1.50 to $2.00 per figure for long term production of pewter models.

In addition, all the metal sisters are cast in GW's main factory in England, if I remember correctly. They have a US plant, but I think it only does plastics.

They're not really that bad, considering the raw materials and manufacturing cost of each Imperial Guardsman box is negligible yet I pay $30 for it.



Also, Sisters are 12 points/model and $35 for 5. Guardsmen are 5 points/model and $30 for 10, so I'm not doing that badly playing Sisters!

We're not cost efficient. I think Grey Knights probably win that competition, but we're about the same cost to play as it costs to play Imperial Guard or Tyranids or Orks.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

One of my sisters, painted and assembled weighs about an ounce on my scale. Tin is about $10 per pound, and pewter is primarily tin, so her raw materials run about $0.75. Right now, I can buy 5 more of her for $35, which sets the price I pay at about $7.00 per model.

Looking around online, it costs about $1.50 to $2.00 per figure for long term production of pewter models.

In addition, all the metal sisters are cast in GW's main factory in England, if I remember correctly. They have a US plant, but I think it only does plastics.

They're not really that bad, considering the raw materials and manufacturing cost of each Imperial Guardsman box is negligible yet I pay $30 for it.



Also, Sisters are 12 points/model and $35 for 5. Guardsmen are 5 points/model and $30 for 10, so I'm not doing that badly playing Sisters!

We're not cost efficient. I think Grey Knights probably win that competition, but we're about the same cost to play as it costs to play Imperial Guard or Tyranids or Orks.

An army of Sisters of Battle is actually cheaper that fielding a Genestealer Cult army, without recurring to ebay and Deatwathc Overkill boxes.

in the new edition being abel to slot them in anywhere cheaper power armor objective holders and/ of access to their meltas and missile shooting organ rhinos would be nice,.
have said it before, will say it again I dislike metal models but if sisters came out in plastic I would buy at least their start collecting box equivilant and likely pick up a squad a month until I had at least a 2k point army.

 Fafnir wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I did a few days ago, no reply. Not even a cheeky nod.


So I went and ended up placing an order for some of Grishnak's 'War Maidens' instead, straight from my "In Case of Sisters Break Glass" fund. And if this first squad does well, I'll start buying more with that same fund until it's all dried up. Because if GW doesn't want my money, someone else can have it.

I picked up several squads from Grishnark - lovely models - very happy.

If GW can't be bothered then F them I'll buy elsewhere

I have emailed Grishnark too
At least something is gonna come from this thread.
Did you know how many €/$ he ask for a squad of 10 or 20? I have email him, but to know now.

EDIT: NP, he has answer me already. A little pricey, but very good models!

Cheaper than GW's metals.

 Fafnir wrote:
Cheaper than GW's metals.

It would be harder to get more expensive.