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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Does anyone know where they filmed the Oakland scenes? We were trying to figure out where in Oakland those took place, or even if they were in Oakland at all.

Atlanta, most likely.

That makes sense.

I liked it, though I felt they had this nice theme going on with a bit of a "sins of the father" bit and "reconciling the violence of the past with the present" that might build into something. Should have known I'd be disappointed cause it was a super hero film, and they were never going to give those issues any deep thought. Set myself up for disappointment a bit there cause all that just went away at the start of the third act.

I thought the last third of the film was actually really weak.



Everything from the third act just felt like the plot driving the characters rather than the characters driving the plot. There was a certain novelty to Wakanda, T'Challa, and Kill Monger for the first 2/3s of the film, and all that novelty just got tossed out the window to make way for a generic action ending. EDIT: Honestly the more I think about it the more the last third feels like it was part of a different script. Whatever happened to that one woman we see in the beginning of the movie, and later with Killmonger? Whatever happened to all these other leaders of Wakanda who basically do their bits then vanish? And why did M'Baku seemingly pull so many 180s?

 Ahtman wrote:

Spoiler:

 LordofHats wrote:
Whatever happened to that one woman we see in the beginning of the movie, and later with Killmonger?

I believe she was killed when Killmonger shot them at the aircraft and killed Klaw.

Ah. I went to the bathroom an came back to that part so that would make sense!

I thought it was great.

Fantastic film. One of Marvel's best, easily, but its still, at its core, a sci-fi fantasy epic and not what traditionally passes as an Oscar worthy film. I'm not one who subscribes to the distinction, but its a distinction to be made. It's a remarkably well constructed film that says more than it has time to say by being a film that's in many ways about itself. How good it is is really subjective and not really the point. It's good enough to be worth seeing.

I'm not sure why the conversation has died down so quickly. Between BP and Thor 3, Marvel seems to have added a political edge to their MCU. I wonder whether that will cause a backlash or result in far more well-reviewed critical successes.


Also, asking as a gamer, does any company out there make Afrofuturistic minis besides MERCS' Sefadu line?

One or two of the Infinity models, I think - in the Nomads faction. The Moran, Maasai Hunters:

https://catalog.infinitythegame.com/nomads/ver/280536-0216-moran-maasai-hunter-boarding-shotgun-crazykoalas#menuAnchor

https://catalog.infinitythegame.com/nomads/ver/280527-0169-moran-maasai-hunter-combi-rifle-crazykoalas#menuAnchor

Saw it, really loved it! I thought the movie tackled some complex issues really well, without being sappy. It was just a really enjoyable film, found myself smiling for much of it . Best Marvel film since the first Guardians of the Galaxy, imo!

I watched it yesterday, IMHO marvel movies are always on the same level (quite enjoyable but nothing special) and this one makes no exception.

I'm quite glad Marvel put some politics into one of their movies though, I think it's probably the best quality about Black Panther. The only critique that I can make is about the main villain as Marvel couldn't write him completely wicked: political correctness kicked in since portraying a black villain as a pure evil character is still a taboo for major blockbusters. They still made him quite racist, which is better than nothing, even though they basically justified him by showing his difficult childhood.

The casting was amazing, indeed.

Thor Ragnarok was a bit better IMHO, but mostly because setting and plot reflect my tastes more.

Actually, I thought they made him just a little too evil
; that rather undermined the idea that his plan could be justified.

He's about as legitimately evil as they come. I think you're confusing charismatic and sympathetic for good. I can't think of a single "good" thing he does in the film now that I'm looking for one.

 LunarSol wrote:
He's about as legitimately evil as they come. I think you're confusing charismatic and sympathetic for good. I can't think of a single "good" thing he does in the film now that I'm looking for one.

He dosen't do any good actions, but in the end he's basically portrayed as a broken kid that became evil because of his childhood. When he's about to die it seems like he was sorry for his behavior, I didn't appreciated that part.

Killmonger was complex. He is was superficially like Magneto: radicalized by a hard childhood and became a weapon of war. Michael B. Jordan did a good job of making him sympathetic, but he still was the villain who wanted thousands of people to die.

Thor 3 and Black Panther spoilers:

 LunarSol wrote:
He's about as legitimately evil as they come. I think you're confusing charismatic and sympathetic for good. I can't think of a single "good" thing he does in the film now that I'm looking for one.

I don't even think he was that Charismatic in the end. He came off as interesting early in the film, but then just became a mustache villain for the sake of a generic plot conclusion.

I thought he was the most relatable character in the film, and very charismatic.

I'm just back from the film.

Overall, I'd say, for me, it is the best Non-Guardians Marvel film since "The Winter Soldier."

I'd also probably add it kind of feels like the first time in ages that it feels like Marvel focused on doing a classic Superhero story. Rather than a 'coming-of-age' tale, or a buddy comedy, or so on...


I particularly like the James Bond inspired parts of it. The film kinda felt like a mix of Batman, James Bond and Game of Thrones which I liked.

I'm *very* thankful that they managed to avoid the whole awkward forced marvel humour thing in the film. There was only really 1 quip that felt out of place throughout the whole film, and I kind of forgot what it was. So big kudos to them on that.


However, I wouldn't say it is a flawless or perfect film, which some sections of the internet would have you believe.

Killmonger felt a bit like there were 2 completely different personalities depending on the scene and they didn't really mesh together. Other villains, I agree with the spoilered comments.

It kind of felt like they smooshed 2 and a half films into a single movie. I could very well have imagined the film if given time to breathe having been expanded out into something reminiscent of the original Star Wars trilogy. - In fact, there's kind of obvious parallels at various points to Episode 4-6.

The film did suffer a bit from Jason Bourne shaky camera. - I thought people who weren't named Michael Bay had learned to stop doing that.

I found the rhinos kinda silly, particularly since everything else was kind of played very straightly. The rhinos reminded me of the Dwarf Goat Cavalry from The Hobbit.

I only noticed 1 instance of questionable CGI that might have been intentional anyway....


Overall though, thumbs up from Compel.

Killmonger felt a bit like there were 2 completely different personalities depending on the scene and they didn't really mesh together.

This is probably a better summation of my thoughts.

Voss wrote:
As for your own issues, there's more to representation than just Star Trek, and having a literal handful doesn't mean 'stop.' It's also been a generation since DS9 was on the air (a generation when the usual role was still 'criminal' or 'first to die')- giving kids an opening when someone important is like them is a huge formative moment, 'disposable popcorn' in your view or not.

Indeed. Increasing diversity in media may be "political", but choosing to maintain the status quo is an equally "political" decision.

 LunarSol wrote:
He's about as legitimately evil as they come. I think you're confusing charismatic and sympathetic for good. I can't think of a single "good" thing he does in the film now that I'm looking for one.

That was what I liked, he was the embodiment of "You're not wrong, you're just an a-hole about it." He had good points about Wakanda's isolationism, but was far too poisoned by rage to see the country as anything other than a weapon he could use to hurt the world that had hurt him.

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie. Highly recommended.

Saw it again, absolutely loved it! Manages to be extremely fun despite dealing with some really big issues. Well done, Marvel!!

Well watched it with wife. It was... forgettable. Liked the females actresses and their roles. Liked Serkis and the usurper prince guy, but they needed far more air time. Main character was just utterly forgettable though.

The first two thirds would have been more interesting as a serious drama. Shakespeare could have run with the questions posed.

Last third was just crap marvel action. Bloodless, boring. Was hoping the bad guy cut off the supposed good guy's head and stuck it on a Pike. Alas no.

My biggest complaint really is they Wouldn’t Leave Their Dang Masks On! They just flicked those suckers off and on every other shot.

Dear lord, I agree with Frazzled on something. The world must be ending.
It was forgettable. The CGI was, if not bad, at the least jarring. It didn't mesh with the live action around it. It was as bad as any Bay film. The rhinos were terrible.

The first big action sequence I had a feeling of dejavu - haven't I seen this before? Oh yeah, it's a rinse and repeat of Civil War's car chase. Which ended with one of my least favourite cinema tropes - hero surfs on something that isn't a surf board (this groan inducer was only saved by the very funny visual gag that ran alongside it).

Just getting to that action sequence was a labour. The first hour is set up, very style heavy (and it is very petty style at that). There's little snippets of the bad guys doing ... stuff ... but for an hour I'm wondering "When does the bloody story start?"

The introduction to the tech lab felt like the writers had discovered and recycled a bad scene from the last cheesy Bond film that they scrapped before the Casino Royale reboot.

The first hour was too slow, the last 20 minutes a rushed mish mash of chaotic nonsense.

There was good stuff too. The gorilla king stole every scene he was in. Killmonger's reasonings could have been fleshed out more, but over all he was a believable and horrifyingly understandable bad guy, which is something Marvel struggle with. The visual styles, the juxtaposition between tribal and futuristic, were done excellently. Serkis was obviously having a blast in his role.

But yeah, forgettable and certainly not worth the hype. It's not a bad film and sits in the middle of the Marvel pack.

 Henry wrote:
The introduction to the tech lab felt like the writers had discovered and recycled a bad scene from the last cheesy Bond film that they scrapped before the Casino Royale reboot.

Going by the interview with Ryan Coogler and the executive producer on this week's Empire Spoiler Special podcast, that's deliberate. There's a T'Challa as Bond, Shuri as Q thing going on.

Have you guys seen the Kilmonger/Vegeta comparison photos? I can't seem to get any of them to copy and paste on the iPad, but the costume resemblance is uncanny.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have you guys seen the Kilmonger/Vegeta comparison photos? I can't seem to get any of them to copy and paste on the iPad, but the costume resemblance is uncanny.

It’s not so much uncanny as it is intentional. Dude loves his anime and specifically requested it.

 AduroT wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have you guys seen the Kilmonger/Vegeta comparison photos? I can't seem to get any of them to copy and paste on the iPad, but the costume resemblance is uncanny.

It’s not so much uncanny as it is intentional. Dude loves his anime and specifically requested it.

Okay, now I need someone to dub in lines from the Abridged series.

I liked his character. I'd proffer he was the good guy. and Panther dude was actually the usurper...