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Thanks for the kind words, friend =)

Had to relinquish my 40k champions ticket... wont be in Vegas but one spot open for someone!

@Reece and
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I have finished painting and basing my orks long ago. What I did in 5th, 6th and now again in 8th is use multi colored electrical (or duct) tape sliced across the short axis about 2-3mm and adhered to the beveled edge of the base to differentiate mobs of boyz. Plus its removable so when your codex gets renewed you can rearrange them. Heck even I get confused when there's 120+ greenskins roaming about.

Now if thats not enough and draconian 5th ed GW painting rules come out where my 10000 pts of Orkansaw Razurbax cant be Goffs because theyre red? Whew weeeee! You think 'Eadcrumpa's Waaagh on Eden Prime ended badly when 'Eadkrumpa himself accidentally evaporated the entire planet along with his own Waagh... I can imagine it now.... a smug peripubescent judge strolls over to my last place table, plucking one of my precious green babies from a meticulously maneuvered quintuple envelopement. That brat would incur the most egregious salivia-spewing dirt-kicking profanity-laced neck-bearded man-child temper tantrum as had ever been seen this side of youtube! Get your cell phones ready gentlemen. DrG will turn into a table flipping Incredible Sulk. Dont mess with me... Ive watched MMA once, and my blood sugar is getting low without my Doritos!

 Reecius wrote:
What the FAQ will or will not say is up to GW, of course.

My friendly advice though, I hope is taken to heart by anyone coming to the LVO.

Again, I would assume if I were a Daemon player that the Codex Daemon stratagems will only be able to be used on Daemon Faction keyword units. Just friendly advice from me to Daemon players to consider when writing their lists for LVO.

@anticitizen013

Oh, I can tell you from experience it is mega OTT, lol. That's not conjecture either, that is from actual on the table repetitions. It is neither fun nor conducive to a fair gaming experience.

I know players will debate that to they're blue in the face but IMO for what that is worth, it is very bad for the overall game experience to allow some of the craziness that that opens up. A lot of what folks in favor of it are thinking they will do with it is a myopic perspective on the bigger picture. Lords of War, for example, don't need to be falling from the sky, etc.

At any rate, I will leave it be for now but hopefully we won't have anyone show up to LVO thinking one thing and getting another as that would be very unenjoyable for all parties involved.

While I agree that some LOWs do not need to fall from the sky (e.g Magnus with Warp Time, Brass Scorpion with 3D6 charge, etc.), I don't think it's fair to ban all Daemon's LOWs (e.g Zarakynel, Anggrath) from deepstriking, especially if you take into consideration that IG and Eldar can outflank and ds their LOWs.

So I see LVO is now on BCP - what is the last day to upload list? Not that I would do it then but just so I know. Demon codex came out and all that...

Should we prepare our own objective markers or can we expect the event to provide them?
If we need provide our own markers, what size ought they be? 40mm bases?

provide your own Youll need 6. The size of poker chips

Since there is no real acolyte model for inquisition I’m guessing conversions are ok. Would a converted guardsmen or scout model work ok

VMPL wrote:
While I agree that some LOWs do not need to fall from the sky (e.g Magnus with Warp Time, Brass Scorpion with 3D6 charge, etc.), I don't think it's fair to ban all Daemon's LOWs (e.g Zarakynel, Anggrath) from deepstriking, especially if you take into consideration that IG and Eldar can outflank and ds their LOWs.

How do eldar DS a WraithKnight? Or Outflank one?

The Webway Strike strategem is infantry or bikes only. Did I miss something? Lemme know, cause I need all the help I can get!

By the way, Lord of Skulls has the Daemon FACTION keyword. So that's a thing. Deepstrike even after FAQ anyone?
As do Obliterators. So can I slot them into a Chaos Daemon detachment and not lose anything?

 Brothererekose wrote:

VMPL wrote:
While I agree that some LOWs do not need to fall from the sky (e.g Magnus with Warp Time, Brass Scorpion with 3D6 charge, etc.), I don't think it's fair to ban all Daemon's LOWs (e.g Zarakynel, Anggrath) from deepstriking, especially if you take into consideration that IG and Eldar can outflank and ds their LOWs.

How do eldar DS a WraithKnight? Or Outflank one?

The Webway Strike strategem is infantry or bikes only. Did I miss something? Lemme know, cause I need all the help I can get!

Forgeworld Skathach Wraithknight.

 Brothererekose wrote:

VMPL wrote:
While I agree that some LOWs do not need to fall from the sky (e.g Magnus with Warp Time, Brass Scorpion with 3D6 charge, etc.), I don't think it's fair to ban all Daemon's LOWs (e.g Zarakynel, Anggrath) from deepstriking, especially if you take into consideration that IG and Eldar can outflank and ds their LOWs.

How do eldar DS a WraithKnight? Or Outflank one?

The Webway Strike strategem is infantry or bikes only. Did I miss something? Lemme know, cause I need all the help I can get!

They have a similar stratagem that allows you to ds any Vehicle that can fly, which all of Eldar's super heavy tanks can do. In a LOWs duel, the ability to hide your LOWs is extremely advantageous.

@Orkswubwub

You can upload lists up until right before the event. The sooner the better though, for everyone.

@Doktor_G

Good suggestion!

@Ryouken

You provide your own as Doktor_G said, and anything between 25mm and 40mm is fine.

@Ivioose

Yes that is fine so long as you are consistent. IR: all models you use for Acolytes are only used for acolytes. It needs to be easy for your opponent to see what's what.

@Uriels_Flamer

Sorry you can't make it =(

This is my first tournament and I am really excited. Two quick questions:
- I am bringing Orks and I can’t really find a tray that would fit my 100 or so models. Is it ‘bad’ to just put slain models back in my foam case?
- Is it OK to ask your opponent about one of their units’ say save or wound before you attack if you’re not sure? Would some people refuse to answer?

Thanks!

Pepin wrote:
This is my first tournament and I am really excited. Two quick questions:
- I am bringing Orks and I can’t really find a tray that would fit my 100 or so models. Is it ‘bad’ to just put slain models back in my foam case?

No it is not. The model itself is usually sturdy and can take a light toss in to a box. Once it's dead, opponents won't care where it goes.
Caveat:
When that unit is getting shot up or carved up, set aside the dead in a little pile, so when Morale Checks come, you have an easy, accurate way to tally the dead. After you roll Morale, and the turn is over, toss away!

Caveat #2:
Don't play slow. As an ork horde player, you ought to get good at measuring and moving the first 2 or so models up, and then measuring and moving up the back 2 or 3 boyz, and then you can just mosh-push the middle boyz in a messy pile. Measuring for each ork is going to slow play your game.

Pepin wrote:
- Is it OK to ask your opponent about one of their units’ say save or wound before you attack if you’re not sure?

Yes!

Pepin wrote:
Would some people refuse to answer?
Thanks!

No one should. 40k is about openly knowing rules & stats and being a better tactician, not about surprises like Magic:tG or Age of Sigmar.

I would encourage you to ask and re-ask, if you need to every time. 40k is sooo complicated and detailed (the designers' own words). I would have no problem repeating the toughness, save and wounds every time you decided to shoot. It'll serve you better to make a satisfying decision for target priority. It also establishes a rhythm of communication that you hear at good players' tables:
Bob: "What are the Wraith ... ?"
Fran: "WraithGuard."
Bob: "What's their stats?"
Fran: "T-six, Armor save three, three wounds each."
Bob: "Okay, (measuring) so six Death Guard within eighteen inches, so four double tapping bolters and 2 double tap plasmagees. Strength four versus your toughness ... ?"
Fran: "WraithGuard are T six."
Bob: "Hit on threes, re-rolling ones because my Lord is right behind them. Hmm, should I supercharge the PGs (plasmaguns)? How many wounds?"
Fran: "Three wounds per model."
Bob: "Yikes. I am going to Supercharge the plasmaguns.
(rolls)
'Kay, 8 bolter hits, wounding on fives. 3 PG hits. Reroll that Crap! Still a Wound on threes for those. "

Fran should be happy to continually repeat info every time Bob asks. There are so many models that will have different toughness, armor saves, invuln saves and other goofery. No one should get impatient.

Look me up. I might be the howling guy in the kiddie pool (1st round loss) section, wearing a BeerHammer t-shirt. One of the few, tiny, skinny guys among the sea of ... bigger fellows.

where can we send conversation in for approval? I am making my own inquisitor lord hector rex and when it is finished want approval

 Brothererekose wrote:

Pepin wrote:
This is my first tournament and I am really excited. Two quick questions:
- I am bringing Orks and I can’t really find a tray that would fit my 100 or so models. Is it ‘bad’ to just put slain models back in my foam case?

No it is not. The model itself is usually sturdy and can take a light toss in to a box. Once it's dead, opponents won't care where it goes.
Caveat:
When that unit is getting shot up or carved up, set aside the dead in a little pile, so when Morale Checks come, you have an easy, accurate way to tally the dead. After you roll Morale, and the turn is over, toss away!

Caveat #2:
Don't play slow. As an ork horde player, you ought to get good at measuring and moving the first 2 or so models up, and then measuring and moving up the back 2 or 3 boyz, and then you can just mosh-push the middle boyz in a messy pile. Measuring for each ork is going to slow play your game.

Pepin wrote:
- Is it OK to ask your opponent about one of their units’ say save or wound before you attack if you’re not sure?

Yes!

Pepin wrote:
Would some people refuse to answer?
Thanks!

No one should. 40k is about openly knowing rules & stats and being a better tactician, not about surprises like Magic:tG or Age of Sigmar.

I would encourage you to ask and re-ask, if you need to every time. 40k is sooo complicated and detailed (the designers' own words). I would have no problem repeating the toughness, save and wounds every time you decided to shoot. It'll serve you better to make a satisfying decision for target priority. It also establishes a rhythm of communication that you hear at good players' tables:
Bob: "What are the Wraith ... ?"
Fran: "WraithGuard."
Bob: "What's their stats?"
Fran: "T-six, Armor save three, three wounds each."
Bob: "Okay, (measuring) so six Death Guard within eighteen inches, so four double tapping bolters and 2 double tap plasmagees. Strength four versus your toughness ... ?"
Fran: "WraithGuard are T six."
Bob: "Hit on threes, re-rolling ones because my Lord is right behind them. Hmm, should I supercharge the PGs (plasmaguns)? How many wounds?"
Fran: "Three wounds per model."
Bob: "Yikes. I am going to Supercharge the plasmaguns.
(rolls)
'Kay, 8 bolter hits, wounding on fives. 3 PG hits. Reroll that Crap! Still a Wound on threes for those. "

Fran should be happy to continually repeat info every time Bob asks. There are so many models that will have different toughness, armor saves, invuln saves and other goofery. No one should get impatient.

Look me up. I might be the howling guy in the kiddie pool (1st round loss) section, wearing a BeerHammer t-shirt. One of the few, tiny, skinny guys among the sea of ... bigger fellows.

This is EXTREMELY helpful. Thank you so much!

I wanted to check on something that I heard at the last tournament that I went to.

Previously I had seen it ruled that the Baneblade line of tanks and other super-heavies with similar rules could overwatch even if there were enemy models within 1" of it.
However, Someone said that they heard that LVO was going to issue a FAQ on this to say that they could not. Is there an official statement on this? It is causing some confusion to us as we prefer to play following ITC, but I could not find anything written down.

Amadaes wrote:
I wanted to check on something that I heard at the last tournament that I went to.

Previously I had seen it ruled that the Baneblade line of tanks and other super-heavies with similar rules could overwatch even if there were enemy models within 1" of it.
However, Someone said that they heard that LVO was going to issue a FAQ on this to say that they could not. Is there an official statement on this? It is causing some confusion to us as we prefer to play following ITC, but I could not find anything written down.

I would also like an answer to this. I submitted the question it to FLG, but got no answer.

@Pepin

Hope you have a great time! BrotherErekose is correct in his advice as well.

@wpago

Send a pic to me and a description of what you're trying to do: contact@frontlinegaming.org

@Amadaes

Assume no you cannot, I am actually waiting for word on that one, too, FWIW. As soon as I can give an accurate answer, O will but as stated, assume you will not be able to as of this time.

@Budzerker

How did you reach out to us? I did not see an email on this topic if you emailed in.

 Reecius wrote:


@Budzerker

How did you reach out to us? I did not see an email on this topic if you emailed in.

I used the “ITC 40k Rules Question Submission Form” in the ITC menu a few months ago (shortly after Nova). Nova judges ruled Steel Behemoth I n Baneblade variants let you fire overwatch at additional charging units even when engaged. I don’t agree with this, so I’m pleased that your leaning towards a “no”.

@Budzerker

Ah yes, I need to shut that down. We were getting so many questions it became overwhelming, it was not possible to keep up without hiring someone part time to just answer rules questions which is obviously not an intelligent business decision.

Sorry you didn't reach anyone, but we just couldn't keep up with it.


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@Amadaes

So, no, you cannot fire overwatch with the Steel Behemoth rule if the model is engaged in melee.

Now, this is not official until GW says it is of course, but that is how we will play it at the LVO and I would suggest folks play it that way in general terms.

Apologies if this has been explained somewhere before, but for the purposes of both primary and secondary mission scoring that involves killing an enemy unit, do the following count as having killed an enemy unit?
- Enemy's psyker kills himself by perils
- Enemy unit runs away due to morale
- Enemy unit dies from either their own vehicle explosion or perils from a nearby psyker

Hey Pepin,

No worries, happy to help.

If a unit is destroyed by any means, it counts.

Thanks so much Reece for being so helpful.

Last question! When the 2.5 hours are up, do we end the game at the end of whatever turn that is? Does that mean that one player could have had say 3 turns while the other 2?

Thanks!

Pepin,

That can happen although I sincerely hope you go further than 3 turns, lol!

But jokes aside, we have a 20 minute rule wherein if players are down to about the 20 minute mark and are going to play another turn, each player gets half that time, total. You time your opponent, they time you. That way you get an entire turn and it is fair to both players.

Thank you sir! See you in Vegas.

I recently heard that you know require models to be based correctly. Specifically the bloodletter. Does that apply to all other units aswell that switched bases recently.

I often post just before an LVO with advice. Continuing the tradition:

If you're a tool fielding 3 codexes worth of armies (like me ) then there are a lot of things for you to remember and even more for your opponent to try to remember what's going on, which psy-powers are on-going, strategems that may affect a unit for a whole turn, etc.

I strongly recommend getting the Data-cards for your armies. Placing a card next to the affected unit really helps keep track of stuff. Or make your own markers.





I gave these a recycled purpose ... as you know, I had a lot laying around.

I have a question and a rant about ITC format. It seems impossible for player 2 (the one who goes 2nd) to win if the round ends on player 1s turn. That's an easy 4 points for killing a unit, holding and objective, killing the most, holding the most objective , and that's without primary and secondary objectives. It seems impossible for player 2 to win unless the clock runs out on their turn.

Without anything official to the only thing I can think of is before the roll off for 1st Turn is to form a gentleman's agreement that the last 10 or 15 minutes of the round belongs to player 2 and set a timer.