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2018/02/05 14:22:10
Subject: Re:The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Not a fan of either team, but wow that was an excellent game. Hats off to Pederson for his game plan and Foles for executing it. I thought the Pats would pull it off, because a lot of teams can't handle the pressure against them in the 4th, but the Eagles did it.
Sucks about Cooks. What a hit. And you know with the concussion rules these days, any hit like that means the player is done for for the rest of the game.
2018/02/05 14:29:02
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Was shocked the helmet to helmet thing didn't net the Eagles a flag too!
Was legal because he was a runner at the point of collision.
The serious blow was benching Malcolm Butler. Hero of a previous Super Bowl victory and a mainstay of the defense for nearly 100% of their snaps this year. Baffling. I don’t follow New England sports channels, but from the headlines I’m seeing, Bill is getting roasted.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2018/02/05 14:47:15
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Was shocked the helmet to helmet thing didn't net the Eagles a flag too!
Was legal because he was a runner at the point of collision.
The serious blow was benching Malcolm Butler. Hero of a previous Super Bowl victory and a mainstay of the defense for nearly 100% of their snaps this year. Baffling. I don’t follow New England sports channels, but from the headlines I’m seeing, Bill is getting roasted.
Helmet to Helmet is never 'legal' - yes, he wasn't a 'defenseless receiver', but helmet to helmet is a serious no no still.
But yes, the benching of Butler was not only baffling, but could very well be what cost the Pats the Superbowl - no exaggeration, no hot take there.
Extremely odd decision...
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2018/02/05 16:32:11
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
I think Chung? going off the second time for injury might be an unspoken moment, as he was covering whoever/wherever he was supposed to be covering exceedingly well.
Brb learning to play.
2018/02/05 17:00:14
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Was shocked the helmet to helmet thing didn't net the Eagles a flag too!
Was legal because he was a runner at the point of collision.
The serious blow was benching Malcolm Butler. Hero of a previous Super Bowl victory and a mainstay of the defense for nearly 100% of their snaps this year. Baffling. I don’t follow New England sports channels, but from the headlines I’m seeing, Bill is getting roasted.
Helmet to Helmet is never 'legal' - yes, he wasn't a 'defenseless receiver', but helmet to helmet is a serious no no still.
But yes, the benching of Butler was not only baffling, but could very well be what cost the Pats the Superbowl - no exaggeration, no hot take there.
Extremely odd decision...
Isn’t “helmet to helmet” also influenced by how deliberate it was? It didn’t look like a targeted “I’m going to bash your head with mine” move...
2018/02/05 17:01:34
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
I really don't care for football at all, but it was nice to see the home team win for once. And I'm pleasantly surprised our rabid fans didn't burn the whole place down with glee.
2018/02/05 18:47:41
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Yeah, that hit was bad. I am baffled by the attempts to minimize it because it was "technically legal"- it was still an ugly hit, even if it didn't draw a flag.
That being said, the Eagles earned their win. Foles was great and the Pats never managed to stop the Eagles offense. The Patriots offense was slow to get going (what was with that trick play to Brady?) and found out that the Eagles Defense was not a 3 quarter effort. The sack was a great example of how late game intensity pays off.
Congratulations to Philadelphia on it's first Super Bowl win!
-James
2018/02/05 20:53:05
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
jmurph wrote: Yeah, that hit was bad. I am baffled by the attempts to minimize it because it was "technically legal"- it was still an ugly hit, even if it didn't draw a flag.
I don't think anybody is really trying to minimize the hit because it was legal. They are just explaining why it didn't get a flag. If the guy would have gotten his leg caught on the turf in a weird way causing it to get snapped in half, or snap his arm in half while trying to catch himself falling forward, or gotten any number of other injuries resulting from a legal hit it also wouldn't have changed the fact that the hit didn't deserve a flag because it wasn't against the rules.
A hit can be legal, severe, and cause damage all at the same time. And a hit being legal or illegal doesn't really minimize the severity of the impact or any injuries that result from that impact.
2018/02/05 21:52:49
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
2018/02/05 22:52:37
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Alpharius wrote: Again, helmet to helmets are a big no-go and get flagged all the time.
They don't care so much if the person getting his brain turned to mush is a runner rather than a receiver.
Unlike the NCAA, the NFL thinks that it's okay for a runner to get bashed in the head for whatever reason they think that's okay. Probably a mix of:
- Can't make the game boring
- Real men can take a hit
- Players should have enough situational awareness not to get hit in the head (aka: blame the victim)
- Because the NFL is stupid.
I think the concussion protocol they follow is a joke, and there are a lot of people returning back to the game the same day who probably had a concussion or even if non-concussive shouldn't be allowed to return to the game anyway. As soon as he was down I mentioned that this is what's killing the NFL, in more ways than one. More and more studies are showing that it's not just concussions that are causing long term brain damage, but that just the act of smacking your head over and over again is causing long term brain damage (who would have thought).
Maybe this hit on the world stage will cause a change, and maybe it might even be a bigger change than requiring someone to throw a yellow piece of fabric on a field while brains are being destroyed. But I'm not really holding my breath. I know I argued that it was a legal hit, but I wanted to clarify that I don't think it's a good thing that these kind of hits happen.
2018/02/05 23:29:08
Subject: Re:The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2018/02/05 23:34:55
Subject: Re:The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Like d-usa said above, the NFL’s concussion protocol is a joke.
Rant:
Spoiler:
I think what annoys me the most is helmets popping off on impact. In my industry, I sell protective helmets anywhere from $100 to 2K$. I’d probably be sued for negligence if I sold a helmet that just popped right off of a customers head. A helmet should not just slip off like some of the ones in the video. Thats a sign of a poorly fitted helmet and that arguably makes the helmet a detriment to protecting the brain, as the players head is probably bouncing around inside the helmet, thereby causing the brain to bounce inside the skull. A properly fitted helmet hugs the skull, reducing or even negating that bounce. It should be somewhat difficult to take on and off, most definitely not coming off due to an impact. Also, in the motorcycle industry, if you have one fall or crash, that helmet will lose its safety rating and be trashed (ideally). In the NFL, you got players using the same helmet throughout a game or practice(maybe both) and its getting stressed and losing it protective value pretty quickly. Maybe they replace them at Haltime (I hope) but I still feel like thats pushing it.
I don’t want to drop a hot take and say that the NFL will be dead in 10 years, but I truly think its heading for a collapse of some kind in the imminent future, mainly because of the awareness of the concussion issue. Here in Maryland, varsity football seasons were cancelled at two highschools(maybe more, I know of two for sure) and I hear reports of similiar things happening in other states and youth leagues. In my opinion, Soccer and NBA are America’s sports of the future, followed by MLB.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2018/02/06 16:36:49
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
Yeah, the SB seemed to have an oddly high number of helmets popping off. That is deeply troubling as those are an essential protection device. I have also wondered about how often they are replaced. Most helmets have to be replaced after an impact. Yet football helmets stay in play after play. Seems very risky.
Also dilly dilly needs to die. It's a nonsense phrase hoisted by an ad company and lacks any sort of cleverness or wit. And bring back the Clydesdales!
-James
2018/02/06 17:37:55
Subject: The 2017-2018 NFL Season - Time for Another Season of Let-Downs and Brady!
