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Easy E wrote: The Mob guys physically killed them in the crossfire of a bad heroine deal, but they were set-up by the Blacksmith and his crew who were part of the Black Ops conspiracy.
Yes, it gets a bit strained.
And the scene where his wife gets shot in their bedroom by a masked intruder is a ret-con? Or is he just having some sort of mental break or confusing his memories etc?
It's part of his mental condition. He often has dreams in which the perfect life turns into a bloody mess and everyone gets killed while he watches.
I was disappointed that the CIA was the enemy. Again. Marvel can't seem to stop casting the same three government agencies as the bad guys. It should have been the mafia or some kind of large gang. That's punisher territory - not this international spy crap.
Still happy with the actor they picked. He doesn't look like frank castle, but he really sounds and feels like him. Constantly angry, avoiding the complicated ethical arguments and using violence as his first resort.
Still annoyed that all the veterans in the show are depicted as not being trustryworthy with guns. I get it's hollywood, but I really didn't need all the preaching about the need to ban firearms from vets.
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
ChargerIIC wrote: It's part of his mental condition. He often has dreams in which the perfect life turns into a bloody mess and everyone gets killed while he watches.
I was disappointed that the CIA was the enemy. Again. Marvel can't seem to stop casting the same three government agencies as the bad guys. It should have been the mafia or some kind of large gang. That's punisher territory - not this international spy crap.
Still happy with the actor they picked. He doesn't look like frank castle, but he really sounds and feels like him. Constantly angry, avoiding the complicated ethical arguments and using violence as his first resort.
Still annoyed that all the veterans in the show are depicted as not being trustryworthy with guns. I get it's hollywood, but I really didn't need all the preaching about the need to ban firearms from vets.
The CIA was not the enemy, it was an agent who had gone rogue. Remember, when his boss found out what he had been doing she dropped him pretty quick. It was clear she was adamantly against what he had done.
Easy E wrote: The Mob guys physically killed them in the crossfire of a bad heroine deal, but they were set-up by the Blacksmith and his crew who were part of the Black Ops conspiracy.
Yes, it gets a bit strained.
And the scene where his wife gets shot in their bedroom by a masked intruder is a ret-con? Or is he just having some sort of mental break or confusing his memories etc?
Those scenes were his sunconcious telling him that he was ultimately responsible for his families death because of his involvement with the Death Squad. If he hadn't gotten roped in and followed orders, she would not be dead. Basically, he is so angry all the time because he ultimtely feels responsible for his families death, not the bad guys. Plus, he would rather be angry, than feeling guiltya nd sad about what he had done.
Edit: I still have 2 episodes left, but I was kind of hoping that the Black Ops guys would lead back to the mysterious group of soldiers/doctors juicing up soldiers in Jessica Jones.
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ChargerIIC wrote: It's part of his mental condition. He often has dreams in which the perfect life turns into a bloody mess and everyone gets killed while he watches.
I was disappointed that the CIA was the enemy. Again. Marvel can't seem to stop casting the same three government agencies as the bad guys. It should have been the mafia or some kind of large gang. That's punisher territory - not this international spy crap.
Still happy with the actor they picked. He doesn't look like frank castle, but he really sounds and feels like him. Constantly angry, avoiding the complicated ethical arguments and using violence as his first resort.
Still annoyed that all the veterans in the show are depicted as not being trustryworthy with guns. I get it's hollywood, but I really didn't need all the preaching about the need to ban firearms from vets.
The CIA was not the enemy, it was an agent who had gone rogue. Remember, when his boss found out what he had been doing she dropped him pretty quick. It was clear she was adamantly against what he had done.
That's always the excuse in Marvel media. It is never the entire agency but its clearly some part of the agency with power that needs a rogue agent to prove the evil they committed in warzone X. I mean, you could have swapped Punisher for Captain America and most of the series would have been the same. It's a plot tempalte that marvel uses a lot outside of its comic books and its getting tired.
The whole point of these less popular heroes getting series is that many of them have non-traditional enemies (ninjas, street gangs, mafia). After seeing Luke Cage really get engaged on some street level justice I was hoping the same for Punisher, but instead for the Corrupt Government Agent subplot again
Bender wrote:* Realise that despite the way people talk, this is not a professional sport played by demi gods, but rather a game of toy soldiers played by tired, inebriated human beings.
Ray Stevenson in War Zone was imo a pretty good actor for a grizzled Punisher after years of fighting.
Hes hands down my favorite Punisher*
*he has the look and his personality is great. The problem is the movie was just SO gakky. If he was in a remake where it was more Nerflix in feel then Id be on board. But I reallllllly like Netflixs version
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So S2 on Netflix is confirmed, with Barracuda as the main rumoured antagonist.
Shame Michael Clarke Duncan is no longer with us.
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Hopefully Punisher PUNISHES more people. That subplot with the PTSD veteran that was not Frank was a mess, as well, we could have shortened this show to maybe 9-10, far better. Instead it was rather okay. About Daredevil level. To me bad is Jessica Jones and Iron Fist.
NenkotaMoon wrote: Hopefully Punisher PUNISHES more people. That subplot with the PTSD veteran that was not Frank was a mess, as well, we could have shortened this show to maybe 9-10, far better. Instead it was rather okay. About Daredevil level. To me bad is Jessica Jones and Iron Fist.
I agree on Iron Fist, never even finished it. Jessica Jones however Id disagree with, that is probably 2nd or 3rd best for me
Finished the last episode last night. 1 episode too many.
Spoiler:
Is Billy (after having his face mangled by Castle, the same guy tha is the main baddie in Punisher: Warzone? Is his name Puzzleface/Jigsaw or something?
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ChargerIIC wrote: It's part of his mental condition. He often has dreams in which the perfect life turns into a bloody mess and everyone gets killed while he watches.
I was disappointed that the CIA was the enemy. Again. Marvel can't seem to stop casting the same three government agencies as the bad guys. It should have been the mafia or some kind of large gang. That's punisher territory - not this international spy crap.
Still happy with the actor they picked. He doesn't look like frank castle, but he really sounds and feels like him. Constantly angry, avoiding the complicated ethical arguments and using violence as his first resort.
Still annoyed that all the veterans in the show are depicted as not being trustryworthy with guns. I get it's hollywood, but I really didn't need all the preaching about the need to ban firearms from vets.
I agree with this. Its getting old. Makes us all look like broken burdens on society which is far from the truth. I did however take a different view on how the young marine was easily brought in with rhetoric. I've seen a few fall in with the wrong people based on disenfranchisement. The best part of the series, strictly from a Frank Castle perspective, was when he shoved the guy in the freezer and closed the door, then looked through the glass with that sick fething broken veteran look in his eye and said, yea kids, thats right, you can do it.
Over all great show, looked like it tried to shine a light on veteran social issues but failed horribly as to lead one to believe they were doing the opposite. Actor who plays Punisher nails it.
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Easy E wrote: Finished the last episode last night. 1 episode too many.
Spoiler:
Is Billy (after having his face mangled by Castle, the same guy tha is the main baddie in Punisher: Warzone? Is his name Puzzleface/Jigsaw or something?
Spoiler:
Yep, Jigsaw. Though, Puzzleface is a pretty awesome super viillan name.
