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 caminacambob wrote:
I never measured out 6'x4' when I played games on the living room floor with books stacked up for hills...


Oh well, if you didn't then I guess none of us need to.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 caminacambob wrote:
I never measured out 6'x4' when I played games on the living room floor with books stacked up for hills...


Oh well, if you didn't then I guess none of us need to.



Totally missed my point.

This is excellent for folks starting out, much better than my floor and books start point. I would have loved something like this and the size wouldn't put me off. I'm sure I wasn't the only person like that and this will sell well to people still in that situation and others.

I'm not suggesting everyone should want this or get a smaller space to play but I think it is a shame people are slating the product as a 'miss' because it doesn't meet their needs. Seems they have forgotten the variety of players.

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Seems it's been designed to fit the average kitchen table.

   
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The price is the main issue, as far as I see it. It costs as much as their competitors 6×4 neoprene mats.

Pros:
Generic\universal art
Double sided
Easy to transport
Includes terrain

Cons:
Not a standard gameboard size
The included terrain is minimal
The price point is high, given the nonstandard size and the minimal terrain content.


I really think the included sprue of terrain puts the cost over the top. It would have probably been a better idea to include one of their existing terrain kits in the box instead of spending the money to tool a new mold for such a minimal ruins sprue.

The $80 price tag would be easier to swallow if included some more impressive terrain. It would also encouraged additional terrain purchases, as people bought terrain to match what was now in their collection.


   
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It also just doesn't work that well for me aesthetically. White? Who has miniatures based white? Craters is good on a moon base... ...but with a street sort of covering them? I do like the little ruin pieces though - they have a nice imperial look that is different from the cities of death stuff, less over the top, more solid.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's a super-expensive not completely 6x4 table. No thanks.


I agree it's super expensive. What I don't understand if this is not made for veterans but for new people why show them how expensive the hobby is? Again, if I just started now, I would be saying NO THANKS to Games Workshop hobby and go else where. So I am curious who is this really made for. Seems like GW is doing so much to create excitement, but I am not seeing no excitement for this product and just reinforcing how "not worth it" GW products are.

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That terrain is a new kit, right?

   
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Useless product and probably the stupidest thing gw has released in years. If you can't fit a 6x4 then you also can't fit this strange sized board.

Go to home Depot, buy 2 fold out tables and roll a Fatmat down. Anyone can store a fold up table.

Why would beginners buy this? They aren't finding 40k at a damn toys are us. Most likely they are seeing real tables with real terrain and want to play *that* game.

I can only assume this is marketed towards people who refuse to buy anything that isn't getting branded. Absolutely terrible product.

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 caminacambob wrote:
This is excellent for folks starting out...


No it's not.

It's absurdly expensive for some bits of folded cardboard, and the terrain included, whilst nice, is severely lacking in quantity.

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 Kirasu wrote:
Useless product and probably the stupidest thing gw has released in years. If you can't fit a 6x4 then you also can't fit this strange sized board.

Go to home Depot, buy 2 fold out tables and roll a Fatmat down. Anyone can store a fold up table.

Why would beginners buy this? They aren't finding 40k at a damn toys are us. Most likely they are seeing real tables with real terrain and want to play *that* game.

I can only assume this is marketed towards people who refuse to buy anything that isn't getting branded. Absolutely terrible product.


WTF?

3' 4" vs 4" is a big difference for fitting on dining tables especially, or in any place where space is a premium. It is simply illogical to say that if I can't fit a 6*4 then I can't fit this.

Sure I can store a fold up table, but where the hell would I put one up to play on? Not every one has large playing areas that can readily accommodate fold up tables for playing on.

Sure beginners are seeing 'real tables with real terrain' in GW shops. So when they put this on their dining table they will also have a' real table and real terrain'. Do you really think all those kids or parents are going to care about the precise size of the table, or that parents are going to rush out and buy folding game tables so their kids can play on a slightly bigger table assuming they could even put one up.

I don't know where you frequent, but when ever I go into any of the local GW stores there are no shortage of young kids wanting to get involved, often with showing their parents. Or indeed parents inquiring and asking whether their kids wants to have a go. This set is perfect for that group, £50 is not that expensive, and for beginners like that can make a huge difference to how they may enjoy the game/hobby without investing in gaming rooms and 6*4 tables that they probably don't even know about or care about.

This looks a good product to me, aimed at a very different market to the long term gamer who is a bit snobbish about 'standard' table sizes and what whether they have some well setup gaming area.

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I had a table that was much smaller than 6x4.

So I got a 6x4 piece of MDF that I could put onto that table. It was easy to store.

Later on I got fold-up trestle tables that when combined make a 6x5 table. They were even easier to store than the MDF board.

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I think the country of origin of the poster may also play a part in the mindset. Certain sizes are more common elsewhere. I think 6' x 4' is the average table size for a four person family in the US and all that.

The size is unconventional, but not a real deal breaker for me, as space is of a premium for me, I don't have access to cheap mats like some.

I think the format is mainly weird because they wanted the box that it all comes in to be in line with the rest of their boxed sets.



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I like the scenery. I wish I could get that separately.

The size of the tiles is weird, but not a dealbreaker for me. I just don't get why they went with that size. Yes, it might fit smaller tables, but so would 3'x5'.

The totally weird moonbase images are what don't work for me. Is it an airless void? Kind of weird for models that mostly don't have sealed armor. Are there craters? Why isn't there more dust/snow on the building floors? It doesn't look anything like most of the bases I've ever seen, either from GW, or from anyone else. It's a really odd first choice for a terrain image. I would have thought standard industrial gunge would have been more widely applicable.

 
   
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Da Butcha wrote:
I like the scenery. I wish I could get that separately.

The size of the tiles is weird, but not a dealbreaker for me. I just don't get why they went with that size. Yes, it might fit smaller tables, but so would 3'x5'.

The totally weird moonbase images are what don't work for me. Is it an airless void? Kind of weird for models that mostly don't have sealed armor. Are there craters? Why isn't there more dust/snow on the building floors? It doesn't look anything like most of the bases I've ever seen, either from GW, or from anyone else. It's a really odd first choice for a terrain image. I would have thought standard industrial gunge would have been more widely applicable.



Maybe someone in the publishing industry can better answer, but I figured that they are using a standard size of card stock and that's the size it ends up as.

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I have to say, given the title, I was expecting something a bit more evocative. But.. just some more gothic ruins.. ?

I suppose it's a step above books under a sheet but has set the bar pretty low. It's almost a 'Welcome to 40k: All of your games will always be played on a board like this one, even when they're meant to be on the moon"

For starters you could get one of the Battlesystems card setups for less than the price of this box. Yes I know this is setup for smaller scale skirmish games, but it would be very easy to spread this over a larger piece of grey-painted MDF (have like an outer wall or something, and you could have an attacking force breaching the hull of the base and getting inside or something? Just needs a bit of imagination)

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I can see *some* value in the ruins, but the price is off-setting for what is essentially a pile of cardboard.

I used to buy the D&D dungeon tiles, and I'd put these in the same classification overall. The size of the "mat" doesn't bother me, and the included ruins are a plus, but I'm not buying it for $80, even if I can get it at %20 discount - that's just absurd for the content and materials.

Swing and a miss, GW. Maybe a repackage that's all cardboard (including fold-up ruins) for less than $30 would be better. If the design was at right angles, I'd like to see this combinable with the Overkill and upcoming Necromunda terrain - even the Space Hulk halls for some really fun Kill Team mission boards.

P.S.: Didn't we also see these terrain runes in the recent Necromunda trailer? I'm suspecting we'll see them again here.

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 Stormonu wrote:
I used to buy the D&D dungeon tiles, and I'd put these in the same classification overall.
I have tons of D&D dungeon tiles, sometimes up to 6 sets of a single type. I wouldn't put this atrocious product in the same category at all, because the Dungeon Tiles are endlessly useful. This is small and super-expensive.

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Anyone who spends $80 on this is a sucker.
   
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Yeah at £50 this isn't worth it when you have so much choice out there, 20 quid too expensive.
   
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The size doesn't bother me, but the aesthetic, price and being card when I'd prefer a mat does bother me, so no sale here.

Da Butcha wrote:
The size of the tiles is weird, but not a dealbreaker for me. I just don't get why they went with that size. Yes, it might fit smaller tables, but so would 3'x5'.
Well it's 66" x 40", I don't know if that's a standard table size or some such. If they'd made it 3' then it'd only leave 6" for deployment zones if armies are deployed 24" apart, so I can see trying to squeeze a couple of extra inches to make it 3'4"
   
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Anyone who spends $80 on this is a sucker.


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 NurglesR0T wrote:
On topic though, yep, Moon Base is a pass at that price.

Did you really think this would be cheap? Cardboard aside, there's a fair bit of plastic terrain in there.



For what the product is, yes, I was expecting it to be cheaper.

Obviously it's much cheaper than the Realm of Battle boards they sell and is a good alternative, but when you compare it to other products out there you realise just how absurdly overpriced it is when you compare it to full 6x4 game mats that are $20US cheaper - much better quality material and the playing surface won't separate every 2 minutes whilst playing (doesn't look like there is anything keeping these cardboard sheets together, plus if they are the same material that the playing board that came with First Strike/Know no Fear then yeah, seriously why?)

Such a shame, when I first saw the previews I thought it to be exactly what I've wanted, but after seeing more details, went and placed an order with gamemat.eu for a much superior product - delivered to my door for cheaper than what GW are asking locally

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The maps that came with First Strike and Know No Fear are posters, not the thick card of Moon Base Klaisus.



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Most american dining tables are 6' by 3' 6" in my experience.

This would fit my personal dining table just fine.
   
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The size is a bit wierd, but nothing too offputting.

Had I not been a veteran, who is currently in the process on building a higher grade table (with tons of terrain) and already has table plates, I'd be intresting. not sure I'd buy-but would at the very least consider it.


Right now, when you tell people of ust how much -work- and effort it is to put up a table, its offputting to newcomers. this gives an "easy way" to get a quick-and-dirty "personal table" to play at.


It could have been better, but I think its pretty good.

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 BrookM wrote:
The maps that came with First Strike and Know No Fear are posters, not the thick card of Moon Base Klaisus.


Thanks. I thought they were card, happy to be corrected.

I think this is marketed more for the younger crowd to appeal to parents buying their first models. I'd imagine it much easier to convince a parent to buy this coupled with Dark Imperium for everything they need for 2 people to start playing right away then having to build a table from scratch.

I wish this was around when I started the hobby. We had nothing but the floor and a couple of books and cups for terrain.

There is absolutely better options and value out there for other products but this is a good start until they're ready for a proper built table and/or battle mat

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Hmm, I have been looking for a play surface so I can play at home rather than at a store. This looked really good, but the odd size and questionable quality for the price make me disinclined to buy it. I tend to think getting a 4 x 6 mat is a better choice, and probably cheaper. A bit disappointing.

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I just wanted to put up some quick pictures of the terrain in comparison to the Shadow War Armageddon stuff so everyone can get a good idea on how well they look on the table together.

First is a shot of two terrain pieces side by side so you can get a good idea on size and theme. The Klaisus terrain is not designed to integrate with the SW:A stuff but visually it works as there are elements that match the SW:A support structure pieces as well as the pipes.



Next, I stacked two Klaisus pieces and put them next to the SW:A piece. They do not match vertically and so trying to make a large building won't fit. The Klaisus is far better suited as scatter terrain in a larger SW:A setting than trying to "meld" both into a single terrain model.



Lastly, there is one bit of concern. As you see there are tight corners formed when you assemble the Klaisus buildings. This can be a bit troublesome for painting so I suggest you paint each item separately and then assemble after. You'll have a much easier time and your brush will thank you.



Lastly, one real drawback is the way the terrain is cut. The pieces fit together via slots like the old cardboard buildings. BUT... the two larger buildings have their slots cut reverse of the four smaller ones. This means you are limited in how you can assemble things. An unnecessary limitation, in my opinion, and one that I really wish they'd not continue with future releases.


 
   
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If they sold the ruins by themselves that might make me *vaguely* interested. Although, do the cardboard panels fold out into a single board? That has some plusses. Also, is there any texture to them? It kind of looks like there is in the picture.

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