The two missing Astartes Legions

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**ThunderCracker**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
ThunderCracker wrote:
Karhedron wrote:
The lore is constantly evolving too. What may once have been true isn't guaranteed to be set in stone for ever. The original version of the Emperor's battle against Horus took place in a bunk on Terra IIRC. The next version took place aboard Horus' battle barge which has been the established version for the last ~25 years. When the Horus Heresy novels finally get around to the Siege of Terra, they have already said that they do not consider themselves bound by the fluff that has come before.

Lol yes I remember the bunker fight. I dropped in to 40k when Ptera Squirrels were a thing

As someone who grew up on scifi / fantasy / fiction / historical literature, I have a passion for established "facts" and "history" and "lore" within the setting. Things which happened which are immutable and unchangeable.

For example, LOTR lore. That's fact. It has a well established timeline. It isn't restrictive, since anyone wishing to produce stories, movies etc from that lore can easily slip it in between segments of canon.

Not so for 40k lore, which I what I find a little irksome.

How many balrogs are there, and do they have wings?

Good question. I currently answer that question as follows: There used to be lots of them. Now, there's at least one confirmed one, durins bane, which is dead. How many more are in hiding? We just don't know....

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And, do they have wings? Maybe they do, maybe they dont!

**Spetulhu**

Morgasm the Powerfull wrote:
I find 40ks approach to be better, since I like to regard the fluff as history and history always comes from someones point of view, limited and biased.

The victor writes the history books, as they say. Whatever despicable things you did in order to win and absorb (or eradicate) the losers will be presented as most proper and needed solutions to the horrible stuff they did, real or not.

And history does become legend and myths eventually, as Tolkien said. Even the story of something as recent as the American Revolution is told in a manner that makes it seem all the more heroic, presenting certain heroes that might never have existed or at least never did quite as much as they're credited with today while forgetting others because their origins would make it less "american".

**BrianDavion**

pm713 wrote:
SickSix wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was re-reading some of the Forge World books at the weekend (looking for background on the Death's Heads legion), and the clearest description of the fate of the two lost legions is in there, although right now, I can't remember exactly which book it was. IIRC, it was the Rangdan Xenocide, according to Lexicanum*, which appears to have wiped out entire Expeditionary fleets, titan legions and two entire Legions of Space Marines.

It still doesn't explain why those Legions are utterly proscribed, though. Was it because of their actions during this campaign, or were the remnants of the two Legions sent to their doom against the Rangdan to silence them?

1: The Horus Heresy Book Seven pg.81-82
2: The Horus Heresy Book Five pg.96
3: The Horus Heresy Book Three pg.82

The two legions were erased becaused they failed. Nothing is worse than utter failure in the eyes of the Emperor. (Emperor of Mankind)

Does he see the irony there I wonder?

proably not