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2018/04/07 17:12:26
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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This is outdated. 2017? We're in 2018 now bud.
However if you want to go for 2017 for some reason we can do it. Top 10 armies of 2017 based on who placed most often in top 3 at major ITC events and GTs (hold on to your cornflakes);
10 - Grey Knights?!?!
9 - Death Guard
8 - Sisters O' Battle
7 - Tyranids!!!
6 - Tau?!
5 - Orks!!
4 - Ultramarines
3 - Ynarri
2 - Astra Militarimperial Guard
1 - Chaos
Right now let's look at the most successful armies of 2018 so far based on the same criteria.
January
10 - Astra Militarum
9 - Ultramarines
8 - AdMech!?
7 - Craftworld Aelvesdari
6 - Tau!!! Again!
5 - Sisters
4 - Blood Angelis
3 - Chaos
2 - Tyranids
1 - Ynarri
February
10 - Imperium Soup
9 - Blood Angels
8 - Astra Militarum
7 - Craftworlds
6 - Ultramarines
5 - Tau (pre codex?!?!, 3 Commanders used anyway)
4 - Black Legion
3 - Death Guard
2 - Ynarri
1 - Tyranids
Ruhroh! I'm not seeing much in the way of Orks?! Perhaps there's a reason? Like, dare I say it, we're not as strong now that more codexes have been released and players have learnt how to use their freshly minted new codex armies better.
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2018/04/07 17:28:59
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Does anyone know how these top lists are created?
As I have seen tournament lists with over 1k of ad mech liated as BA, over 1k of blood angles and custodes listed as ad mech and all sorts of wierd factions that realy should ve listed as imperial or chaos or aldari as they are unrepenting soup.
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2018/04/07 17:36:47
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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Ice_can wrote:Does anyone know how these top lists are created?
As I have seen tournament lists with over 1k of ad mech liated as BA, over 1k of blood angles and custodes listed as ad mech and all sorts of wierd factions that realy should ve listed as imperial or chaos or aldari as they are unrepenting soup.
In the case of my lists, it depends on what the main faction "keyword" of the army was. If it was <Chaos> or <Imperium> then it'd say it was that soup. Where possible almost all the lists were "soup" of some sort but the faction keyword that had the most points invested in it was considered the primary. So for example those Sisters of Battle armies in my lists all had Imperial Guard or Space Marine units of some description within them.
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2018/04/07 17:38:14
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fafnir wrote:I get the feeling Scourge spam is going to be really hot, but outside of that, it's going to be a solid middle/high-middle codex.
Ravager spam
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2018/04/07 18:03:29
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Kabalite Conscript
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Amishprn86 wrote: Fafnir wrote:I get the feeling Scourge spam is going to be really hot, but outside of that, it's going to be a solid middle/high-middle codex.
Ravager spam
Why not both? Sourges and Ravagers will just eat things.
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2018/04/08 03:19:08
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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An Actual Englishman wrote:
This is outdated. 2017? We're in 2018 now bud.
However if you want to go for 2017 for some reason we can do it. Top 10 armies of 2017 based on who placed most often in top 3 at major ITC events and GTs (hold on to your cornflakes);
10 - Grey Knights?!?!
9 - Death Guard
8 - Sisters O' Battle
7 - Tyranids!!!
6 - Tau?!
5 - Orks!!
4 - Ultramarines
3 - Ynarri
2 - Astra Militarimperial Guard
1 - Chaos
Right now let's look at the most successful armies of 2018 so far based on the same criteria.
January
10 - Astra Militarum
9 - Ultramarines
8 - AdMech!?
7 - Craftworld Aelvesdari
6 - Tau!!! Again!
5 - Sisters
4 - Blood Angelis
3 - Chaos
2 - Tyranids
1 - Ynarri
February
10 - Imperium Soup
9 - Blood Angels
8 - Astra Militarum
7 - Craftworlds
6 - Ultramarines
5 - Tau (pre codex?!?!, 3 Commanders used anyway)
4 - Black Legion
3 - Death Guard
2 - Ynarri
1 - Tyranids
Ruhroh! I'm not seeing much in the way of Orks?! Perhaps there's a reason? Like, dare I say it, we're not as strong now that more codexes have been released and players have learnt how to use their freshly minted new codex armies better.
this is a good post if you drop the childish language.
Nobody argued that Orks were on top, just that they're not on bottom. That's still true.
You've made a good argument that some of the other factions in the OP's list should be shuffled around!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/04/08 03:20:13
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2018/04/08 04:01:15
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Tunneling Trygon
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Tyranids did a hard sweep of adepticon due to the missions. Not really because they’re that strong
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2018/04/08 04:26:32
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Regular Dakkanaut
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luke1705 wrote:Tyranids did a hard sweep of adepticon due to the missions. Not really because they’re that strong
The opposite could be said about AM and ITC.
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2018/04/08 14:32:11
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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So do mechanicus go to mid tier?
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Imperials fists 2060 Orks 1100
Firestorm and Star Wars Armada |
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2018/04/08 20:25:48
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
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2018/04/08 20:38:28
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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djones520 wrote:So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
So you got... what? One game in against a new army that you're unfamiliar with and now they're god?
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2018/04/08 20:46:57
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Fafnir wrote: djones520 wrote:So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
So you got... what? One game in against a new army that you're unfamiliar with and now they're god?
No, I've used my 20 years of experience playing this game to exam their rules, discussed the topic with friends who are very experienced/good at the game as well, who agree on the strengths of the new book, and gotten play experience against the army, and saw how great it was.
But thanks for being an ass.
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2018/04/08 20:50:33
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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I'm not gonna pretend that we know where Dark Eldar will fall just yet but at a first glance the codex seems to be top of the top tier. The only army that can cancel a stratagem. The only army that can give another unit the ability to ignore the character restrictions on shooting. Some of their units seem broken strong regardless of both of the above - Wyches are bonkers for their price and Kabalites for 6ppm seem undercosted.
I have no doubt they'll rise to top tier over time as players get used to the army.
axisofentropy wrote:this is a good post if you drop the childish language.
Nobody argued that Orks were on top, just that they're not on bottom. That's still true.
You've made a good argument that some of the other factions in the OP's list should be shuffled around!
What childish language? A bit of levity to a serious discussion?
Orks are bottom tier if we're going on recent results. If we're going on last year's results before the codexes were released then I guess not. It all depends on whether we want to use the most recent data or old, 2017 data I guess.
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2018/04/08 21:10:30
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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It really does come across as condescension. Not that condescension is particularly uncommon here.
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2018/04/08 21:26:26
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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djones520 wrote: Fafnir wrote: djones520 wrote:So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
So you got... what? One game in against a new army that you're unfamiliar with and now they're god?
No, I've used my 20 years of experience playing this game to exam their rules, discussed the topic with friends who are very experienced/good at the game as well, who agree on the strengths of the new book, and gotten play experience against the army, and saw how great it was.
But thanks for being an ass.
And I've got 10 years behind me and have done much the same, and I'm sitting at the revelation that short of Ravagers, Scourges, and the fliers, everything looks potent yet fairly reasonable at mid-high in the face of the relevant meta.
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2018/04/08 22:07:32
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Fafnir wrote: djones520 wrote: Fafnir wrote: djones520 wrote:So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
So you got... what? One game in against a new army that you're unfamiliar with and now they're god?
No, I've used my 20 years of experience playing this game to exam their rules, discussed the topic with friends who are very experienced/good at the game as well, who agree on the strengths of the new book, and gotten play experience against the army, and saw how great it was.
But thanks for being an ass.
And I've got 10 years behind me and have done much the same, and I'm sitting at the revelation that short of Ravagers, Scourges, and the fliers, everything looks potent yet fairly reasonable at mid-high in the face of the relevant meta.
You only really need 1 detachment worth of units for Drukhari to be a mainstay on the top tables. The rest of the list can just be Ynnari/Craftworlds as per usual. It might be ideal if you can take a powerful Battalion given that Agents of Vect is 3CP, but it's also probably not necessary since those lists can get CP elsewhere if they need to do so. But this gets into the schizophrenic nature of this thread: are we talking about codexes, or are we talking about how people actually build their armies in the real world?
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2018/04/09 06:14:42
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Waaagh! Ork Warboss
Italy
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djones520 wrote:So having played against the new Dark Eldar codex now... they deserve to be at the top tier, no question, arguably at the top of it.
Yeah when you face someone for the first time and have no clue about how to counter that's the impression you get. I got the same impression the first time I faced the guilliman list, which seemed impossible to defeat.
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2018/04/12 15:21:34
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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So Dukhari are at least mid tier for now
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Imperials fists 2060 Orks 1100
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2018/04/12 16:20:36
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Norway, T&amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;oslash;nsberg
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Do you guys think the ‘nids are still gonna be top of the top tier for ITC games if the faq limits flyrants to one pr. detachment?
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2018/04/12 16:35:26
Subject: Top tier codexes & indexes
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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killerpenguin wrote:Do you guys think the ‘nids are still gonna be top of the top tier for ITC games if the faq limits flyrants to one pr. detachment?
yeah it was Adepticon's missions and terrain that helped them. In ITC they're less important and balanced tyranids are already better than tyrant spam.
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