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 Melissia wrote:
Screaming crazy bald women in torn, bloody, and tattered sackcloth robes, covered in purity seals wielding battered and half-broken chain-zweihanders is practically the epitome of everything that is 40k.

Exalted

 Melissia wrote:
Screaming crazy bald women in torn, bloody, and tattered sackcloth robes, covered in purity seals wielding battered and half-broken chain-zweihanders is practically the epitome of everything that is 40k.

They aeen't allowed to be torn. Thats sexist.

 Melissia wrote:
Screaming crazy bald women in torn, bloody, and tattered sackcloth robes, covered in purity seals wielding battered and half-broken chain-zweihanders is practically the epitome of everything that is 40k.

Screaming baldness is 40k!

I am quite excited for this release. Games Workshop has thus far done an excellent job of updating old stuff from the 80's/90's.

 Melissia wrote:
Screaming crazy bald women in torn, bloody, and tattered sackcloth robes, covered in purity seals wielding battered and half-broken chain-zweihanders is practically the epitome of everything that is 40k.

That is pretty much what I want, except seeing as how crazy people are nowadays they will say its misogynistic to show women in such an abused and ragged state.

Regardless if GW deviates too far from this, then I will be complaining no doubts about it.

 Thargrim wrote:
That is pretty much what I want, except seeing as how crazy people are nowadays they will say its misogynistic to show women in such an abused and ragged state.

The primary people who would complain about depicting soldiers in a worn out and bloody state as a direct result of combat are trolls who are presenting a strawman in order to get you to react in disgust to it.

Repentia are already great models, honestly the whole sisters line is great,its just clone heavy. (Except that screaming scroll holding one we all know) a new line to me at least means the old line will probably drop in price, so if i dont like the new look at least the price of the old will be marginally cut.

GW are such trolls

The problem with Repentia is that they don't look like the WH book. They look like this:


Awful models. Mantic bad.

To be honest, if they kept relatively the same level of detail (but updated iwth modern quality of course, especially more scars and the like), but fixed the posing to make it more aggressive and dynamic, that design would be perfectly fine.

I'm thinking something like the Sisters Of Slaughter as far as the posing.

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
Just please please PLEASE GW, No Boob plate and no powered armored high heels

Why? The girls I know that play 40k actually want feminine models.

Or should we have "They of Battle" where you really can't tell if it's a man or woman?

 Marmatag wrote:

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
Just please please PLEASE GW, No Boob plate and no powered armored high heels

Why? The girls I know that play 40k actually want feminine models.

Or should we have "They of Battle" where you really can't tell if it's a man or woman?

LunaWolvesLoyalist doesn't want Sisters of Battle. They want reasonable female characters. And that's fine, 40k could definitely use some of that (whenever Guard get a new much needed infantry box, they'd do well to toss in a couple female heads). But that's not SoB. At no point were Sisters meant to be reasonable or realistic.

That's a logical fallacy. While I'm okay with the boob-plate as an ornamental thing on the armor, it's very clearly not necessary to have a girl have her tits out in order for her to be feminine.

They certainly dont need to go the route that several mini companies do with their female models, thats for sure.

 Melissia wrote:
That's a logical fallacy. While I'm okay with the boob-plate as an ornamental thing on the armor, it's very clearly not necessary to have a girl have her tits out in order for her to be feminine.

You mean like Slaanesh models?

I don't think it's possible to create a female model that doesn't offend someone.

And I was responding to boob plate. Can you point to my logical fallacy, and explain what it was?


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 Fafnir wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
Just please please PLEASE GW, No Boob plate and no powered armored high heels

Why? The girls I know that play 40k actually want feminine models.

Or should we have "They of Battle" where you really can't tell if it's a man or woman?

LunaWolvesLoyalist doesn't want Sisters of Battle. They want reasonable female characters. And that's fine, 40k could definitely use some of that (whenever Guard get a new much needed infantry box, they'd do well to toss in a couple female heads). But that's not SoB. At no point were Sisters meant to be reasonable or realistic.

Can you define reasonable female characters? What does that mean?

Ultimately this line of thinking will conclude that all of the current Guard / Marine range could be acceptable female models.

I know this is absolutely off topic but as we are talking bodies and variety here... what I really want are more strongman/fatbutmuscled bodytipes.

And not just ogres.

Look at this miniature, this is beauty, I want more like him. I'm tired of all male miniatures being or skinny because they are things like sorcererrs or ultra muscular. Or average humans like Cadians or Empire State Troops:

 Marmatag wrote:
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Ultimately this line of thinking will conclude that all of the current Guard / Marine range could be acceptable female models.

Did you just assume those Guardspeoples gender?

 Marmatag wrote:
You mean like Slaanesh models?

No.

 Marmatag wrote:
I don't think it's possible to create a female model that doesn't offend someone.

The existence of Sisters of Battle alone offends a certain kind of pathological manchild, yes. But that's irrelevant, the point isn't necessarily to cause or not cause offense. It's just to have an interesting visual design.

 Marmatag wrote:
And I was responding to boob plate. Can you point to my logical fallacy, and explain what it was?

I quote:

 Marmatag wrote:
Or should we have "They of Battle" where you really can't tell if it's a man or woman?

Your assertion here is that if Sisters of Battle did not have enormous fake gag-boobs on their armor, no one could identify them as women. This is a patently absurd false dichotomy. You don't need boob-cups to identify the wearer of armor as feminine. I'm not saying this as an argument to remove them, I'm just saying your argument here doesn't make any sense.

Or to turn it around-- do you believe that marines need to have a shiny metal gag-penis sticking brazenly and openly out of their codpieces, with a pair of spiky hanging hanging balls underneath, in order to identify them as men?

 Melissia wrote:
That's a logical fallacy. While I'm okay with the boob-plate as an ornamental thing on the armor, it's very clearly not necessary to have a girl have her tits out in order for her to be feminine.

It has nothing to do with being feminine. It's about the flying rodent gak insane craziness and excess that makes the Ecclesiarchy weird and wonderful. The Ecclsiarchy is all about the same kind of devotion and fanaticism that Chaos worshippers have, just bottled up and barely contained on a different side. In a way, the boobplate is decorational as a symbol not necessarily as a piece of sexuality, but as a visage of an ideal that the Imperium or the Ecclisiarchy wants to represent through the deification of the exaggerated human form(and that might be a bit over the top for toy soldiers, but that's exactly what makes SoB/Inquisition/Administorium so appealing to me in the first place).

For what it's worth, I do think that Arco Flagellants (of which there should probably be some female ones) and Death Cult Assassins (of which there should probably be male ones) should also dial up the whole warped sexual-aggression thing, really up that body horror. The thing that separates the flagellants from those warped by the forces of Chaos is that there's no magic involved, someone went out of their way with the intent make them that way. This isn't the whimsical caprices of a mystical abstract force, this was planned and designed by human hands. That's far more terrifying than anything Chaos can muster.

So throw in a spiked codpiece or three while they're at it.

I wasn't making an argument for removing boob-cups-- frankly, I actually rather like Celestine's mini and think she should be the basis for new Sisters.

I just think-- and my argument IMO rather proved-- that the argument that Marmatag presented was wrong.

Right now my main issue is to decide if I should buy up the old repentia models while they still exist....


Or not, on the basis they might actually get removed from the new Codex, and I'll have spent a fortune on models I can likely never use to even Proxy as anything.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh...

And anyone who is stupid enough to make sweeping statements like the above can leave, because as bizare as it is to you, not everyone thinks with their genitals. If we're being completely honest, IMHO it's cringeworthy thinking like this that equates them being female to needing to be "sexy" that drags down a really cool faction into the gutter. Next thing you'll be asking for bare midriffs and chainmail bikinis.

I don't want them to be attractive for the sake of being attractive, nor do I want them to be hideous for the sake of being hideous, they should simply follow the same aesthetic as the current models already have (ie. normal, generic, unmodded human females in powered armour). This is a wargame, not a damn fashion parade.

Stop lying. Admit we all want sexy but strong looking sisters of battle. Who said bare midriffs? Are you saying women can't look sexy unless they show off skin? Because that's pretty sexist! but no seriously, even my partner wants to see sexy sisters of battle but still with cool armour and toughness. And she doesn't even play 40k!

I don't mind the boob plate. It's not realistic, yeah, but nothing about the Imperium is. Over the top ornamentation is par for course for the IoM *especially* the Ecclesiarchy. Keep in mind these are the same weirdos that clone lobotomized infants so they can stitch angel wings and cybernetics as a fashion statement.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't mind the boob plate. It's not realistic, yeah, but nothing about the Imperium is. Over the top ornamentation is par for course for the IoM *especially* the Ecclesiarchy.

have you seen the size of some of those crotch codd peices? Space marines look smexy as hell! With their abbs carved into their armour and strong masculine shoulders! I'd sleep with one!

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Right now my main issue is to decide if I should buy up the old repentia models while they still exist....


Or not, on the basis they might actually get removed from the new Codex, and I'll have spent a fortune on models I can likely never use to even Proxy as anything.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh...

I got a unit a while back. Just so I can play an army of just metal should I feel like it when plastic SoBs happened.

I think I can do this in five sprues:

1. Four basic Sisters with Bolters and options to convert one to an Imagifier

2. Sister Superior with various CCW options, Hand Flamer, and Meltapistol.

3. Weapons sprue with one each of the following - Storm Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Meltagun, Multimelta

4. Four Seraphim with Jump Packs

5. Seraphim Superior with various CCW options, Hand Flamer, and Meltapistol.

My real concern is, what if they're not all pigeon toed like the Raging Heroes stuff?

I suspect the Sisters models are gona be from a Squat homeworld; two birds with one stone!

So, something just hit me. I don't think it's come up in the various conversations about the sisters' aesthetic, but the boob plate and corsetesque armor isn't there for sexy (whether it is or not is in the eye of the beholder). It's just more of the same that the ministorum puts out. The holy human form. The sisters are supposed to be obviously female because we're supposed to exalt in the female form, not as in 'hey sexy', but from a sense of ideal purity.

Melissia wrote:You don't need boob-cups to identify the wearer of armor as feminine. I'm not saying this as an argument to remove them, I'm just saying your argument here doesn't make any sense.

Eh... You're dealing with miniatures roughly an inch big. Hair is obvious, boobs are obvious but the other physical differences like height, cleaner limbs, wider hips and facial structure aren't obvious without being emphasised to the point of being a caricature.
Helmeted Sisters would be hard to make feminine without the current Gothic aesthetic.
Boob plate doesn't need to be in heroic scale though.

phydaux wrote:I think I can do this in five sprues:

1. Four basic Sisters with Bolters and options to convert one to an Imagifier

2. Sister Superior with various CCW options, Hand Flamer, and Meltapistol.

3. Weapons sprue with one each of the following - Storm Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Meltagun, Multimelta

4. Four Seraphim with Jump Packs

5. Seraphim Superior with various CCW options, Hand Flamer, and Meltapistol.

Celestians would still be very similar to regular sisters just with a different weapon loadout. With the new range, you might as well take the opportunity to make them a bit more ornate and easily distinguishable from line Battle Sisters.

Could see it being like the GK strike squads where all the options are in one box.
Hoping for a 'regular armour' box for the Battle Sister, Retributor and Dominion squads and an 'ornate armour' box for Celestians and Serephim at the very least.