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Action looks fun. The predators have full motion in their faces and their mouths can close unlike the ones from the first AvP. It looks like we will have good competent human vs pred and pred vs pred action. I have high hopes for my bare minimum expectations of a pred movie to be met and potentially exceeded.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The cryo does not imply slow travel times for the humans. It has nothing to do with trips taking years. Do you have any evidence FTL trips even take that much time for STL observers or other spacecraft? FTL in Aliens doesn't require cryo sleep because the ships are slow, but rather because they are fast, causing subjective time expansion for those aboard even as the rest of the universe sees the ship zooming from A to B.
I'm pretty sure Ripley drifted so long because she was traveling slower than light in that escape shuttle.
Exactly. the time between LV-426 sending a (presumably FTL) signal to Earth, the Company debating it, assembling a Marine contingent and recruiting Ripley then the Sulaco turning up was only weeks (does Newt ever say exactly how long?).
As it happens, applying the time dilation formula to speeds greater than c results in an imaginary time rather than it passing slower, but at least the authors of the Technical Manual tried.
Going by the movies, we have no idea how Predators travel; they may use suspended animation of some sort too. The ancillary material is interesting, but other than being a potential source of plot ideas, I don't think they've any bearing on the films.
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AduroT wrote: Isn’t that supposed to be how actual speed works? The closer to light you get the more relative time slows down?
In the real world, as the observed speed of an object increases, the rate of time slows down for that object compared to the observer (this is measurable, and also applies to the effect of gravity - the stronger the force of gravity, the slower time moves. This has to be taken into account by the calculations involved in GPS navigation).
This means that something moving faster experiences less time passing than something at rest.
In the Colonial Marines Technical Manual, it says this happens the other way around when moving faster than c; a ship that moves at 2c experiences less time passing than one moving at 4c. From the pint of view of an outside observer, the faster ship takes less time to make the trip, but from the point of view of the crew, it takes them longer.
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Read the leaks and spoilers and it looks like this movie is going to be terrible. I don't understand how they can screw up Predator over the years as much as they have, but they are keeping that torch lit.
Predator 1 is a classic, and I also think Predators was great. Disappointed there was no follow up to that, but it makes sense that there isn't.
I also am leaning strongly negative to this. I feel like it's falling into a lot of the traps that Jurassic World did: You don't need some new fancy super predator. You don't need some gakky subplot about genetic engineering. The original product was good. We want more of that.
Just put a regular, stock Predator in some new setting; do the same stuff as Predator 1 & 2, this is not a complex backstory that needs to be developed and expanded upon.
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whembly wrote: So... the 'umies find a wounded unconscious normal Pred... he wakes up to wreck havoc...
But, there's a ginormous, less armoured, Uber Pred that "evolved"?
Whut?
Looks cool tho.
It's one of the most shallow ways to raise stakes (while devaluing the core concept) in a sequel, just have a bigger version of the monster. I mean the fact that some sequels feel like they need to raise the stakes and won't find other creative ways to get an audience invested is problematic in
itself.
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whembly wrote: So... the 'umies find a wounded unconscious normal Pred... he wakes up to wreck havoc...
But, there's a ginormous, less armoured, Uber Pred that "evolved"?
Whut?
Looks cool tho.
It's one of the most shallow ways to raise stakes (while devaluing the core concept) in a sequel, just have a bigger version of the monster. I mean the fact that some sequels feel like they need to raise the stakes and won't find other creative ways to get an audience invested is problematic in
itself.
I didnt feel like the black super preds from Predators was just "make it bigger". They showed us a new facet of the preds. 1) a game reserve instead of just going into the wilds and looking for prey. 2) pred on pred violence. Which weve never seen in the movies before.
If this movie is a continuation of that concept its not in any way a bad thing. The idea that there is a rogue element of the preds out there who are augmenting themselves and hunting regular preds and not worrying about the standard pred code we get from the first 2 movies is something we could stand to see more of and find out more about it. The trailers dont tell us enough to say thats not happening. Why start off asuming its just going to be the most basic shallow approach when no pred film has done that yet?
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Ouze wrote: I also am leaning strongly negative to this. I feel like it's falling into a lot of the traps that Jurassic World did: You don't need some new fancy super predator. You don't need some gakky subplot about genetic engineering. The original product was good. We want more of that.
Just put a regular, stock Predator in some new setting; do the same stuff as Predator 1 & 2, this is not a complex backstory that needs to be developed and expanded upon.
Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
I'm actually looking much more forward to the 4K/digital remaster of the original film that is due to come out next month.
This movie doesn't seem particularly promising to me. If this had been set in a place similar to the concrete jungle video game like a futuristic decaying urban ghetto punk setting it could be interesting. I'm not sure why every Predator movie has to be so much more of the same but with more and more action.
The first trailer had me nearly wretching. Reminded me in the worst possible way of AvP2.
The second looked vaguely decent. However it pretty much seemed to give the whole darn plot away in a synopsis.
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So some details about reshoots are mentioned below, after test screenings came back negative. I've personally decided I won't be going to see this movie, but for those that intend to, I've spoilered for your protection.
Via BloodyDisgusting.com, possible plot details in the reshoot references:
(Again, Spoilers)
Spoiler:
t’s been openly reported that, after a test screening, there had been some significant reshoots on Shane Black‘s The Predator. It was alleged that the third act had been retooled, with costar Keegan-Micheal Key confirming them in an interview. Now, AvP Galaxy has all of the details, revealing major changes that include new deaths and less Predators. SPOILER WARNING.
Early photos that leaked during filming revealed (ridiculous looking) shots of “friendly” Predators riding atop an APC tank and aiming an automatic weapon. The site reports that all of the friendly Predators have been removed from the latest edit. In addition to less Predators, all of the “hybrid creatures” have been removed with the exception of the “Predator Dog”.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. The site also reports that all death sequences involving the more prominent characters have also been completely changed and the final battle with the Upgrade Predator takes place at night in the woods. This part is wild: “After attacking the Project: Stargazer base, Upgrade gives the survivors a chance to escape before he begins to hunt them to find the best fighter amongst them.”
There are even more changes detailed, with the latest cut including additional scenes that connect The Predator to the previous films, including Alien vs. Predator. “Lex’s spear is now displayed alongside City Hunter’s spear from Predator 2. Casey, Olivia Munn’s character, is also shown some grainy pictures of the Predators from the first two films.” Jake Busey plays the son of Gary Busey’s Predator 2 character, which makes this reveal pretty interesting.
How awesome would it be to see all of the original scenes when the film is eventually released on home video? Here’s hoping…
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
While those changes will probably make the film better, I'm still not sure it will be good. Also, there's a big part of me that wants to see those deleted elements in a full camp edit of the film. It might be a more pleasurable experience as trash.
Nothing says a movie is going to be awesome like extensive reshoots after test screenings.
The cut elements from that description sounds truly atrocious and to be frank the fact they were written, storyboarded, and directed at all shows that the franchise was probably placed into hands it should not have.
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The first movie had extensive reshoots after the lead role actor was changed from Jean-Claude Van Damme to Kevin Peter Hall.
The stilt-legs costume (amongst other things) had to be changed and all that footage reshot. They didn't perfect the leg setup until "Underworld" for its Lycans).
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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I don't think that's accurate.. right?. The problems with the original suit were IIRC discovered during test shoots, which is pretty much why test shoots happen. It's a world of difference between that, and reshooting a finished movie that's already gone through post.
“We started to worry as soon as we started test shooting, and after a few scenes, the worry crystallized," Schwarzenegger later wrote. "The creature didn’t work, it was hokey, it didn’t look believable."
Almost as an afterthought, he added: "Also, Jean-Claude Van Damme, who was playing the predator, was a relentless complainer."
We never shot anything with him. It was a complete screw up with his agent, trying to hustle him into a job and didn't know what the movie was. It's silly. It was really silly.
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Final trailer is out. This is red band for violence and language, so NSFW.
I think my original take was "meh", and this trailer doesn't elevate it to "awesome", but it's an improvement. You can really tell this is a Shane Black movie by the dialogue in it.
I guess adding F-bombs makes it more extreme bro! feth yeah!
I love the Predator franchise, and I absolutely adore the scenes in this trailer where they are wrecking fools, but I just can’t get excited for this movie. I think I was more excited for the Statham giant shark movie.
I’ll give this a rent in a few months time, unless the reviews come back positive somehow. Which I doubt, I think there were reshoots of the reshoots that I posted about earlier in this thread. I like a few of the actors in this flick, so I hope its decent.
Edit: Ninja’d!
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.
Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.
LordofHats wrote: The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.
Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.
I think the 'less is more' really only works for the first movie. After you see the predator in the first movie, it has lost its mystery.
Releasing it this time of year also seems to be an indication of the studio's lack of faith in the project. January and February are usually the industry's 'dump months', but August and September are also seen this way as well - although to a lesser degree.
I like the predator movies, but I really feel there isn't a lot for them to build upon. The core premise of the movie was born from "The Most Dangerous Game", which while appealing -- doesn't really lend itself well to expanding itself beyond that base narrative. They could try to expand the lore and sneak a more involved story/backstory/etc into it, but ultimately if the movie isn't just a re-re-retelling of "The Most Dangerous Game", it will disappoint audiences.
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Ok, I'm going to make it a rule that I won't watch any film where the trailer involves a woman opening a door, smiling at some grimacing law enforcement and saying some variant of "what's he done now?"
I can't even begin with how tired and played out that is.
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
After seeing all these trailers I just don't get why this movie was made. I mean it might turn out better than the AvP movies at least, but that's not a high bar at all to begin with. I just can't help but ask why. But then again blade runner never needed a sequel, out of all movies. The thing is, the execution on that was so clearly solid from the beginning there was very little why type questions needing to be asked.
This however is just meh, questionable if not outright bad casting etc. Normally I try to be optimistic, life is so grim as it is. But idk just cause this director was an actor in the original doesn't mean he knows how to pull off this kind of movie.
The Wife thinks it will be funny and wants to see it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
LordofHats wrote: The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.
Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.
Yeah, super predators that are bigger than the other normal predators is lame, as are the predator dogs in the context of visiting earth.
LordofHats wrote: The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.
Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.
Yeah, super predators that are bigger than the other normal predators is lame, as are the predator dogs in the context of visiting earth.
Meh, this could all just be us seeing snippets of the battles between regular Yautja and Bad Bloods. The Bad Bloods may be an exiled clan because of their genetic modification and hunting of the regular Yautja. Predators (Pred 3) had Nolan explain they were like the difference between dogs and wolves but hes an unreliable narrator in that respect. It's just the explanation he came up with based on his limited observations.
This movie might be expanding on that. With either Bad bloods coming to earth and Enforcer/s coming to kill them or Bad Bloods hunting the hunters while they are just doing their normal thing on earth. If they are bad bloods there is no line they wouldn't cross including dumping pred dogs on earth or whatever.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
LordofHats wrote: The Predator is a character that best serves itself by being seen as little as possible. Over the top action sequences and mountains of blood and violence might make a passable action movie but is a waste of the character imo.
Plus this whole "self evolution" bent the franchise has gotten into is really really dumb. It just doesn't work imo.
Yeah, super predators that are bigger than the other normal predators is lame, as are the predator dogs in the context of visiting earth.
Meh, this could all just be us seeing snippets of the battles between regular Yautja and Bad Bloods. The Bad Bloods may be an exiled clan because of their genetic modification and hunting of the regular Yautja. Predators (Pred 3) had Nolan explain they were like the difference between dogs and wolves but hes an unreliable narrator in that respect. It's just the explanation he came up with based on his limited observations.
This movie might be expanding on that. With either Bad bloods coming to earth and Enforcer/s coming to kill them or Bad Bloods hunting the hunters while they are just doing their normal thing on earth. If they are bad bloods there is no line they wouldn't cross including dumping pred dogs on earth or whatever.
That does sound better... was that in the old Dark Horse comics?
Seems to be too much humour based and the 'heroes' seem awkward. The most convincing character so far seems to be the one who was in GoT and that's because he doesn't say anything.
Such a shame, could be good but I never really had high hopes for this one. The've kinda missed out on what made 1 and 2 good, even Predators was reasonable.
