CMON N&R - Degenesis Clan Wars GF Q2 2024, DC Heroes United GF July 2024

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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Blood Rage digital is live and going to run for 7 days

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=dmiznf

$15 for the steam game (no physical copy) or $60 one including the physical stuff

basically only of use if you missed the original Blood Rage KS and want the extra clan and minis that were KS exclusive. If you got the stuff in the first KS you don't need this (unless you want some female warrior sculpts)

**Monkeysloth**

The mountain giantess is a step down from the original mystic but the wolfwolmen looks just as bad as the wolfman.

Not understanding why they aren't making the monsters at least non-KS exclusive as surly they could sell those at retail? Maybe blood rage is just too old and the expansions don't sell well (read somewhere that expansions have a shorter shelf life then core boardgames).

**ecurtz**

The sculpting on the new monsters isn't up to the standards of the original.

**Monkeysloth**

indeed. I don't have any real issue with the wolf or seer and the Stag clan looks great but some of them are really meh.

While I'm not expecting the original KS exclusives to appear I do hope they bring back the 3d token packs as I would like to have some consistency. Though now that I think about it, I could just print tokens.

**Mysterio**

Yeah, I can't see this one doing what CMON thinks/hopes it will do.

Some people who have looked at CMON's latest financials are seeing worrying things, apparently.

**Monkeysloth**

TBH I don't know what they think or hope it will be. I would assume 250 would be the high end without any addons. It already almost 150k but I know a lot of people in the comments are just backing so they can beg for old KS exclusives.

**Taarnak**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Blood Rage digital is live and going to run for 7 days

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=dmiznf

basically only of use if you missed the original Blood Rage KS and want the extra clan and minis that were KS exclusive. If you got the stuff in the first KS you don't need this (unless you want some female warrior sculpts)

The 5th player in the original KS was the Ram Clan. It looks to me like everything in this current campaign is new. Just to avoid some confusion.

I agree with everyone that the giantess appears to be a step down in quality. Everything else seems on par IMHO.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Yes, sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that,

the new clan isn't the same as the 5th clan in the last KS, but there are no new rules for it and you can't play a 6 player game by the rules so if you've already got the Ram Clan the only reason to pick up the Stag Clan is for the sculpts, it doesn't give any extra gameplay unless you've just got the basic retail box and want to play with 5 players

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and if the folk in the comments think they'll be able to bully CMON into selling them they physical stuff without the game good luck too them

but i'd like to point at every expansion box ever with CMON KS that they've refused to sell without a purchase of the base game (and they're a lot more expensive than $10)

**Monkeysloth**

Ya, I have no idea what those people are thinking. Several I've seen doing that are long time KSer backers and at least one is also long time active on the Reaper Forum so he should know what to expect.

I'm in for now. Price wise it's not bad even if you don't want the game as it's $70 for mainland US.

Stag Clan would be around $20 at retail after discounts (this is the same as the retail 5th clan), the two giants would probably be the same. Wolfman maybe $10 and I'm not sure how big the wolf is so maybe $15?

that's $85 based off of amazon prices plus the game if it's something you want.

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So someone from CMoN has been in the comments section and has stated there's a good chance for an add on for upgraded clan tokens from the original game.

Also no KSE stuff from the original:

We're hearing your suggestions, and will work together to see what we can try and bring to reality. Some of them are just not going to happen (offering the original exclusive monsters), but others just might work out.

**Monkeysloth**

Lots of new updates.

Tokens are now an $8 addon and they've also unlocked 3 new version of the god sculpts that are free for anyone with the physical tier. These are the same goes in the retail expansion but larger and with gold paint.

**Col Hammer**

Oh, extra tokens. I'm tempted in staying on this KS to get those. My KDM set needs nice activation tokens on the four player colours (red, blue, green and brown). I was thinking of raiding my BR set for these, but now I could buy an extra set... decisions...

**Monkeysloth**

They've now unlocked Thor, Heimel and how Hel which is a replacement for a super rare excusive Hili (wasn't even in a CMoN KSer) functionality wise.

Now with Hel, the Stag Clan and the 4 Monsters all the KSer exclusive game elements that are crazy expensive on Ebay (like $200+ per item) have alts but again all KSer exclusive to this campaign.

Still the 60$ pledge is pretty good if you like the game.

**Monkeysloth**

So they've gone though several SG for tokens and such and are now adding the first new gameplay item to the game via the $60 pledge.

The son of the Midgard Serpent that encircles the world, Jörmungandrsson is a completely new addition to Blood Rage! An amazing figure with all new rules. This powerful monster is able to inhabit both the land and the sea, and as such has the unique ability of occupying either Villages or Fjords!

**BobtheInquisitor**

That pose looks so unnatural that I have an instinctive urge to throw koopa shells at it.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Well huh. They keep it up, I may need to grab some of this stuff.

I wish some of their other flash campaigns had as much extra bling with them. Would've kept me watching it at least.

**Monkeysloth**

ya. They really had to come up with something silly to get it to fit into their base size.

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Just noticed how little Project Elite raised and that this will probably beat it. Hopefully this gets CMoN to rethink the course they've been on the past 8-10 months.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Project Elite was a pretty lazy campaign with a lot of missed opportunity I thought.

I wonder if we'll see something similar offered up for Rising Sun further down the line.

Maybe with a Gamera or Ghidorah themed Daikaiju replacement....

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I'll be much more disappointed if we get lazy half-assed do overs of the Rising Sun exclusives

**Monkeysloth**

They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.

Glad that turned out to not be true as I want the Trudavang KSer next year to go well. Really like the setting and RPG the upcoming boardgame is inspired by.

**Theophony**

I like the big lizard thing, but I backed the first campaign and still have not played it. Bought it for the figs, I feel no need to shell out $60 again for the stag clan and the lizard, I also don’t need Giant golden gods who are going to get painted eventually.

I really hope they turn their

around and come up with a non-tentacled/vagina faced game that I can play with my kids.

**Monkeysloth**

The game is great, as I really like the Eric Lang zone control games (Rising Sun and Chaos in the Old World are 2 others), but I also bought for minis (post KSer) only this year and could easy do with more.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

last call for Blood Rage Digital (and now physical too)

6 hours to go

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/blood-rage-digital?ref=8v77md

**Monkeysloth**

So ended with a box, pillage tokens, a new giant and large boar mini.

Next game announced is the Munkin boardgame that I believe was mentioned earlier this year (can't remember if at gencon or before).

While the war to end the world comes to an end on the surface of the Earth, deep down below, a new adventure is about to begin. The desire for treasure is a strong lure, and despite the potential danger, the call to enter one more underground labyrinth is just far too tempting!

In Munchkin Dungeon, players will take control of the heroes from the original hit card game Munchkin, like the Wizard, the Dwarf, and the Thief, and delve deep into twisting underground caverns. To come out on top, players are going to have to push their luck, taking risky moves to get ahead. They’ll search for treasure, level up through experience, and of course, face off against a number of deadly monsters! And what would a Munchkin game be without a little backstabbing? Players will want to keep their friends close and their enemies closer… say, within reach of a short dagger.
In Munchkin Dungeon, fans of the series will see the classic adventurers – and monsters! – come to life in highly detailed miniature figures. Players work their way through the board game’s many different routes, moving their minis as they go. Adventures like these are only meant for the very brave or the very foolhardy. If you fall into either of those categories, or both, make sure to check out the upcoming Kickstarter campaign.
Munchkin Dungeon will be the next Kickstarter from CMON, early 2019. Stay tuned for more details as the campaign approaches!

**JohnHwangDD**

Monkeysloth wrote:
They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.

Indeed, but CMoN isn't alone here, just the worst offender in 2018. The novelty of an expensive KS campaign with a small mountain of "meh" just isn't going to pull the big money on pure hype and FOMO any more. Horizon Zero Dawn TBG was similarly "off", and failed to get my money. Indeed, I didn't back a single new KS in 2018.

Quite frankly, I'm just not willing to drop $150 shipped for a pile of minis when the actual game itself is probably going to disappoint. I might gamble $100 shipped, but more than that, and I'm really skeptical.

**Ghool**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Monkeysloth wrote:
They've had lots of lazy campaigns this year with lazy art design as well. Really seams like they thought they could just phone it in and the money would just still be there.

Indeed, but CMoN isn't alone here, just the worst offender in 2018. The novelty of an expensive KS campaign with a small mountain of "meh" just isn't going to pull the big money on pure hype and FOMO any more. Horizon Zero Dawn TBG was similarly "off", and failed to get my money. Indeed, I didn't back a single new KS in 2018.

Quite frankly, I'm just not willing to drop $150 shipped for a pile of minis when the actual game itself is probably going to disappoint. I might gamble $100 shipped, but more than that, and I'm really skeptical.

The norm for 2018 seems to be $120 plus shipping. I assume it will likely jump to $150 in the next year or so. And that's when we'll see a drop off in these big projects.

It seems a lot of them are struggling to make over 1 million these days, and with each subsequent project they are experiencing diminishing returns.

And it's not just CMON. This seems to be happening with quite a few titles with a few exceptions from some of the newer companies. I don't suspect it can be maintained indefinitely, especially with the US tariffs on imported goods.

And another Munchkin game? Easy pass.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

In early 2019, we're delving deep below the surface to face off against fire-breathing Dragons, fur-covered Trolls, and ...Large Angry Chickens...?! Munchkin Dungeon is coming to Kickstarter and there's a ton of Loot just waiting to be discovered! Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and on our Kickstarter page for all the updates! https://cmon.co/kickstarter Steve Jackson Games #Munchkin #Boardgames #Miniatures

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So it looks like this is coming sooner rather than later this year, Not of any interest to me but Munchkin is popular I guess

**highlord tamburlaine**

Is it popular enough to warrant this though?

The minis don't look like they'll be able to blend in with many other lines or collections.

If they'd made the figures more Arcadia- like, it would make sense for the crossover appeal, but then that wouldn't really be Munchkin at that point...

I'll at least keep an eye out. My kids and students have always enjoyed the game far more than I ever have.

**Monkeysloth**

Munchkin is still really popular. It's demo is definitely different then most of us on dakka though.

**JohnHwangDD**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Munchkin is still really popular.

This. Munchkin is very popular in a Catan sort of way. Not my taste, but it's been going strong for ages.

**ced1106**

SJG already released a Munchkin Dungeons game several years ago, as well as Munchkin miniatures.

The original artist was John Kovalic, who has a large following, though not by Dakka. I do find it odd that the cover art isn't Kovalic (?).

SJG has had success, albeit of a smaller scale, with its Munchkin KS, though, afaik, none have been miniatures. SJG has also had success with miniatures for its OGRE game.

Eric Lang also developed the recent Munchkin CCG, though I dunno how well it has done.

So... mebbe this KS will actually be useful (: to give SJG and CMON an idea of how popular the Munchkin franchise is -- or still it. After all, one use of KS is to have a better idea of the demand for your product!

I have some of the old SJG Munchkin miniatures, and found them easier to paint, though, surprisingly, conventional painting techniques still apply.