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pm713 wrote:
"It's his manner"

This boys and girls is a fantastic example of the pot calling the kettle black.

But "who cares if he has valid points" part really shows why you aren't great to talk around. You don't actually pay attention to anything and just hurl text walls at everyone while claiming they prove your point.

As an aside I don't know anyone else who routinely uses butthurt in life or on Dakka. Take from that what you will.

Haha you have noticed he does that too, I love the way he claims something then posts a quote which doesn’t actually say what he claimed.

But anyway, on topic, has anyone else noticed there seems to be an overarching theme regarding the emperor since master of mankind and first lord of the imperium, before when he or malcador would send a legion somewhere I would just read it and go “fair enough” since those books I see the iron warriors get sent to fight a pointless war and think “ah, he wanted to break the legion for later” or when he sent the lion and leman Russ tonthe same warzone with the same target I think “hmm, they were testing to see if the primarchs would fight each other”

The primarchs books seem to also be pushing this overarching narrative, anyone else noticed this.

 Formosa wrote:

pm713 wrote:
"It's his manner"

This boys and girls is a fantastic example of the pot calling the kettle black.

But "who cares if he has valid points" part really shows why you aren't great to talk around. You don't actually pay attention to anything and just hurl text walls at everyone while claiming they prove your point.

As an aside I don't know anyone else who routinely uses butthurt in life or on Dakka. Take from that what you will.

Haha you have noticed he does that too, I love the way he claims something then posts a quote which doesn’t actually say what he claimed.

But anyway, on topic, has anyone else noticed there seems to be an overarching theme regarding the emperor since master of mankind and first lord of the imperium, before when he or malcador would send a legion somewhere I would just read it and go “fair enough” since those books I see the iron warriors get sent to fight a pointless war and think “ah, he wanted to break the legion for later” or when he sent the lion and leman Russ tonthe same warzone with the same target I think “hmm, they were testing to see if the primarchs would fight each other”

The primarchs books seem to also be pushing this overarching narrative, anyone else noticed this.

Seems to be a slightly different direction, yes. I do wonder if that's possibly more down to the BL realising they've written the Emperor as being more of a bumbling idiot than a genius though and are now trying to claw back some of that by insinuating it was the plan all along. There are implications that Russ may have fought at least one of the 2 unnamed Primarchs in the Thousand Sons books and Fear to Tread where it's mentioned that the Space Wolves are seen as the executioners of the Emperor. The problem is the Emperor seems to have so little understanding of the emotions of the Primarchs I can equally see him thinking sending the Wolves and Dark Angels to the same warzone as being a way to bring the two Primarchs closer together.

 Formosa wrote:

But anyway, on topic, has anyone else noticed there seems to be an overarching theme regarding the emperor since master of mankind and first lord of the imperium, before when he or malcador would send a legion somewhere I would just read it and go “fair enough” since those books I see the iron warriors get sent to fight a pointless war and think “ah, he wanted to break the legion for later” or when he sent the lion and leman Russ tonthe same warzone with the same target I think “hmm, they were testing to see if the primarchs would fight each other”

Yep, you can connect the dots. But then from the perspective of EoM you could argue that he had no notion of emotion (ha!) of what he was doing as the Primarchs were only tools to him so he sent them to do their jobs without consideration of how they would react or the situations they would get into. The Dark Angels might have simply been the most logical resource to use at that time to assist Russ on Dulan. I do also think that Celliphone(?), Perturabo's adopted sister, had Perturabo labelled right and that he was in fact to blame for the hardship of the Iron Warriors. The Emperor did send the Iron Warriors on the thankless tasks but knew that they were the ones for the job. It was Perturabo choice to do things the hard way, expecting to get the adulation when the Emperor probably just saw him doing his job.

I've not gone through the whole thread as it started to devolve into name calling and bickering but it's a bit hard to know what the outcome of the bargain would be if he upheld his side of it without actually knowing what the bargain was. I guess we can assume that it's to do with the Primarch project. The issue is that the Emperor would not have ever had upheld his side of the bargain. He knows the nature of Chaos and the threat to mankind it represents. As with everything available to the Emp, the CG were another tool available and he beat them at their own game. The problem is, you can't trust a daemon. Or can you? Something that always struck a note with me was in Fear to Tread where Ka'Bandha fights the Angel. Sanguinius accuses the Daemon of lying about Horus turning traitor to which Ka'bandha replies along the lines of why would I lie. We know the nature of the Imperium, perhaps Daemons are the only real truth teller.

Did some A LOT OF cleaning up here, I would like to remind people to STAY ON TOPIC and to keep RULE #1 in mind as well from now on. Failure to do so will result in a more direct action or some time off.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
No they were people. That's obvious. The Emperor was the one who couldn't see things clearly which caused a whole bunch of problems.

I don't need to know what happens in the future to say causing someones entire family to die, making war their only motive and then planning to get rid of them later is a bad idea.

They were only people because of the scattering.

I'd argue that they were always going to be people. Granted if they'd grown up with Big E they would probably have been brainwashed into being happy as tools but there was always a random factor that needed to be taken into account by the Emperor.

Doesn't Perty upon meeting his legion send them straight into a meatgrinder to test worthyness? You can't complain about how people ask you to wage war when that's how you wage it of your own volition.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Doesn't Perty upon meeting his legion send them straight into a meatgrinder to test worthyness? You can't complain about how people ask you to wage war when that's how you wage it of your own volition.

Actually I belive he decimated the Legion killing one in ten of his troops.

He went on a lightning campaign IIRC. Although he did decimate the Legion which was harsh.