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Song of Ice & Fire is 32mm so compared to the standard LOTR line, they look very much out of place. IMO.
   
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https://davaleminiatures.com/

Has some seemingly great sculpts and i'm personally looking to get those mounted rangers, but I believe that he only has his product manufactured in waves. So there's no telling when stuff comes back in stock =/

Alternatively for the Rohirrim, the Romano British from warlord games would work pretty well. Honestly a lot of anglo-saxon esq miniatures should work pretty well for Rohirrim .

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 Sledgehammer wrote:
https://davaleminiatures.com/

Has some seemingly great sculpts and i'm personally looking to get those mounted rangers, but I believe that he only has his product manufactured in waves. So there's no telling when stuff comes back in stock =/

Alternatively for the Rohirrim, the Romano British from warlord games would work pretty well. Honestly a lot of anglo-saxon esq miniatures should work pretty well for Rohirrim .


Davale minis are fantastic. I have several of his figures. The sculpting and casting are phenomenal.

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While people are asking.....

Any tips for a armored Elladan/Erohir foot and mounted? Along with the other elf characters? Lindir, Cirdan, Gildor?
   
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New player here!

Bought the Fellowship of the Ring boxed set back in like 2002 or so when it first came out.

Played 1 game at the time and it wasn't what I was looking for so I packed it away and never looked back (WHF player at the time).

I continued to collect the minis and paint them sporadically and found I had a pretty sizeable Uruk Hai force when they announced the relaunch. I'm looking forward to my first game tomorrow night!

So a couple questions:

1. Can I put all the gear options on a given model? Can I give my Uruk Hai pikes and shields and crossbows, for example?

2. Is there a good mix of recommended Cav to Infantry to shooting to characters in this game? Anything I should hugely avoid?
   
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(1) Generally, models are equipped as sculpted.

(2) There is (for most factions) a ranged weapons limit. Otherwise, you can build your force as you wish.

   
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1. Right, but, for example, I just bought the Warg Riders pack. It's 6 models, and there are extra bits...specifically shields and bows that you can glue on. So my question is could I give those extra bits to a model with a spear, for example, and then they have all those options (assuming i pay the points, of course).

2. Yeah I realize that. I'm just asking if strategically there is a good mix to pay attention to. Would an ALL Warg Rider force, work, for example?
   
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(1) Heroes are always only equipped exactly as they are sculpted, IIRC. But you can kit out your Warriors as you like, within the limits of their profiles. Just pay close attention to the wording of their unit entries in the armies book.

(2) I'm not aware of any rule of thumb on cav/foot ratio. I think of it more along the lines of the size of the overall warband relative to the cost of its constituent parts. A man on a horse (or indeed and orc on a warg) is more expensive than his pedestrian counterpart. The more mounted Warriors in your warband, the smaller it is. For low-morale Evil warbands, this can be an issue.

   
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Back into it today with khazad dum. I forgot how nice these models are to paint! Not too busy at all

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 Manchu wrote:
(1) Heroes are always only equipped exactly as they are sculpted, IIRC. But you can kit out your Warriors as you like, within the limits of their profiles. Just pay close attention to the wording of their unit entries in the armies book.

(2) I'm not aware of any rule of thumb on cav/foot ratio. I think of it more along the lines of the size of the overall warband relative to the cost of its constituent parts. A man on a horse (or indeed and orc on a warg) is more expensive than his pedestrian counterpart. The more mounted Warriors in your warband, the smaller it is. For low-morale Evil warbands, this can be an issue.


Generic Heroes can switch weapons at 5pts per, as per the rules for grand-fathering in converted models.

Also to the earlier question, you COULD give a model everything, but its often a waste. The rules specifically say a spear/pike model can't support AND shoot in the same turn, and shields lose their bonus on a model using two-handed weapons, crossbows, or bows... etc.

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2. Yeah I realize that. I'm just asking if strategically there is a good mix to pay attention to. Would an ALL Warg Rider force, work, for example?


I haven't tried the new edition yet, but the rules didn't change too much. I've played with Warg rider armies every now and then and while they are very good against all-mounted armies due to Wargs being awesome compared to horses, they didn't really work against more balanced forces. Cavalry always relys on getting the charge, once you are close to the enemy you have to ensure to still attack with heroic movement, which costs you might points and can be countered. And once your rider doesn't charge he's just as weak as a model costing half the points.
   
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You can equip models with whatever is allowed in their profiles.

Be sure to read the special rules for the equipment though, as you'll find that equipping both a shield and pike is nearly useless, as is both a shield and bow, for example.

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Well my 1st battle last night was a victory for Isengard and the fighting Uruk Hai.

I had Sharku, Vrasku, 1 Troll, 5 Warg Riders with bows or spears, and 10 Uruk Hai, 1 of which was a banner bearer.

You may notice that comes out to 410 pts, and that's because I forgot to actually pay for the "body" of the banner bearer. Whoops!

My opponent was Minas Tirith and had Madril, 2 Captains, 2 horsemen, about 15 warriors and about 15 archers. (I don't remember exact number).

The game itself was decent but the scenario was a bit lame. We literally were deployed right next to each other, and my troll was just unstoppable from the start of it.

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Rocmistro wrote:
Well my 1st battle last night was a victory for Isengard and the fighting Uruk Hai.

I had Sharku, Vrasku, 1 Troll, 5 Warg Riders with bows or spears, and 10 Uruk Hai, 1 of which was a banner bearer.

You may notice that comes out to 410 pts, and that's because I forgot to actually pay for the "body" of the banner bearer. Whoops!

My opponent was Minas Tirith and had Madril, 2 Captains, 2 horsemen, about 15 warriors and about 15 archers. (I don't remember exact number).

The game itself was decent but the scenario was a bit lame. We literally were deployed right next to each other, and my troll was just unstoppable from the start of it.



Let me guess, you guys played a scenario using Maelstrom of Battle? I definitely wouldn't do any Maelstrom mission at 400 points.

Dealing with monsters is definitely a learning curve - your friend will have to remove the troll's support, surround the troll, and win the duel with someone with a higher Fight - often a hero using a Heroic Strike can do it! surrounded by enough guys with support you can usually get in the 2 or 3 wounds required. Try it again in a normal scenario and you'll also find that enough bow shots can knock a vital wound or two off of a monster before it closes.

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Yeah it was Scenario 8, Contest of Champions.

Here's the battlefield with all my Ruins of Osgiliath kits.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217469024625817&set=gm.1873178186091060&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And after deployment, including my Troll.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217469695722594&set=p.10217469695722594&type=3&theater&ifg=1
   
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 judgedoug wrote:
You can equip models with whatever is allowed in their profiles.

Be sure to read the special rules for the equipment though, as you'll find that equipping both a shield and pike is nearly useless, as is both a shield and bow, for example.


Just to clarify on this because it's an interesting point - so, would people be okay with me equipping my metal Two Towers era (AFAIK) Elladan and Elrohir models with Heavy Armour, for example despite the fact they're wearing robes and leathers (with visible chainmail portions under, granted)?

I know that in this case there's newer models that are wearing plate mail like standard High Elf Warriors available, and thus an option to be arguably more WYSIWYG with the minis, which gives me pause as to whether this would be accepted in organised play, etc however it seems reasonable to me that I would be able to just run them equipped with heavy armour ("it's under the robes", etc) as personally I'm not overly fond of the newer "squatting" Elladan's pose (and don't fancy painting the same units again when I have so much else to get to).

Obviously I know this wouldn't be an issue in casual play, but just wanted to confirm what people generally thought of this situation in organised play such as tournaments and events, etc?

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 Haanz wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
You can equip models with whatever is allowed in their profiles.

Be sure to read the special rules for the equipment though, as you'll find that equipping both a shield and pike is nearly useless, as is both a shield and bow, for example.


Just to clarify on this because it's an interesting point - so, would people be okay with me equipping my metal Two Towers era (AFAIK) Elladan and Elrohir models with Heavy Armour, for example despite the fact they're wearing robes and leathers (with visible chainmail portions under, granted)?

I know that in this case there's newer models that are wearing plate mail like standard High Elf Warriors available, and thus an option to be arguably more WYSIWYG with the minis, which gives me pause as to whether this would be accepted in organised play, etc however it seems reasonable to me that I would be able to just run them equipped with heavy armour ("it's under the robes", etc) as personally I'm not overly fond of the newer "squatting" Elladan's pose (and don't fancy painting the same units again when I have so much else to get to).

Obviously I know this wouldn't be an issue in casual play, but just wanted to confirm what people generally thought of this situation in organised play such as tournaments and events, etc?


Im in the other boat right now where id kill to get those armored poses! Somehow they totally vanished from GW.

In org play I don't see a issue. Its not as bad cosmetic wise as having a model with a sword and calling it a spear. Id have a issue with that, as its a easy conversion. Armor on the other hand as you said can be under robes. Also in org play you need a army list and can write armor under the profile and most people go over what their army is before playing anyways.
   
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I personally don't mind, as long as you tell me what isn't precisely wysiwyg beforehand. Tournament people tend to want you to have the official models; however, there's been plenty of leniency when it comes to using converted in-print models as stand-ins for oop models. I'm not that big into tournament stuff at all, so it doesn't matter to me. (I'm the guy that wants a fifteenth Aragorn sculpt)


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Yeah it was Scenario 8, Contest of Champions.

Here's the battlefield with all my Ruins of Osgiliath kits.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217469024625817&set=gm.1873178186091060&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And after deployment, including my Troll.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217469695722594&set=p.10217469695722594&type=3&theater&ifg=1


I can't see 'em! Any way you can post as Attachments?

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Even the tournament community, at large, is very welcoming and supportive of newer players, and fellow fans in general. I've seen people be fairly lenient of almost anything in regards to wysiwyg as long as it is clear what your intent is.

If say, every one of your Warriors of Minas Tirith are armed the same, and you opponent knows it, the stray mis-geared model isn't so much an issue... It becomes one when you have weirdly specific issues like "all the spears are more bows... but swords are swords..." and so on.

Plus, the community gets that we aren't all master hobbyists. I'm a tolerable painter, but I can't covert to save my life... I've never run into an event where that has suddenly caused me to have a bad experience.

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Trying again with attachments, as requested.
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 judgedoug wrote:
You can equip models with whatever is allowed in their profiles.

Be sure to read the special rules for the equipment though, as you'll find that equipping both a shield and pike is nearly useless, as is both a shield and bow, for example.


Did they change the rules for pikes in the new rule book? I’m still using the movie books until I treat myself to a Pellenor Fields Christmas present. In the Two Towers book it says that if you equip a Uruk Hai with a pike you can’t give him a shield or a bow because the pike is a two handed weapon which prevents the use of additional weapons.

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Prestor Jon wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
You can equip models with whatever is allowed in their profiles.

Be sure to read the special rules for the equipment though, as you'll find that equipping both a shield and pike is nearly useless, as is both a shield and bow, for example.


Did they change the rules for pikes in the new rule book? I’m still using the movie books until I treat myself to a Pellenor Fields Christmas present. In the Two Towers book it says that if you equip a Uruk Hai with a pike you can’t give him a shield or a bow because the pike is a two handed weapon which prevents the use of additional weapons.


You can give them all to the same model... they just become useless. :-p

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Not useless, just not needed reallt but you can.

If you give a model with a pike a shield they suffer -1 to their dual roll because its cumbersome for them to shield and pike.

Better to sword and board or just pike, not mix
   
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