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Looks like blood's in the water now, by how excited all the sharks are getting.

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This kind of IP claims is precisely what lawyers like, enough similarity to take it to court, enough differences and date mismatches for it to be difficult to make a final decision, other than an agreement between both parts or something.

Honestly though, I like that companies are investing on sci-fi rats, but boxy helmets, really? It is a very impractical design :|

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Germany

Hey guys,

here are some painted pictures of the mediumt tank transport with all weapon options. The rear cover is removable.

https://mortian.shop/product/medium-tank-transport/



If you want to join the discussion about copyright and IP please check my facebook page. I tried to comment everything there.
   
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Newb




The Wasteland

My post wasn't a troll, I was making a statement (maybe a bit blunt) about the irony (hypocrisy?) of his actions. Maybe GW/FW didn't have a problem with him borrowing their basic concepts. Maybe they did and he cleared it up with them. Who cares?

The point is that they certainly could have if they wanted to. Then he turns around and raises a stink when someone else borrows a similar idea from him. They didn't even do it knowingly, he bought the artwork after they made the miniatures. What's the big deal? I agree with what others have said on his facebook page...worry about making your stuff as good as possible and let the market decide. Especially with such a relatively minor example.

I mean...it's not like they copied the idea of one of his vehicles...

Spoiler:

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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot






@ Medium tank transport: wow that thing looks really neat. Also nice weapons, does it come with all of them?

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Nashville, TN

 Pyroalchi wrote:
@ Medium tank transport: wow that thing looks really neat. Also nice weapons, does it come with all of them?
Seconded!

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GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


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Affton, MO. USA

Will you eventually have the .stl files available? I only have a FDM printer, but I'm getting pretty nice results from it. Love the style of the rats. If I could ever get myself back into playing 40K I would definitely field a guard army with your tanks

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Maine

 Pyroalchi wrote:
@ Medium tank transport: wow that thing looks really neat. Also nice weapons, does it come with all of them?


Yes, that is the weapon set that comes with the kit. He sells a flame tank weapon package as an add on.


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At least that's the set that came with mine.

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Germany

 ApocLoner wrote:
My post wasn't a troll, I was making a statement (maybe a bit blunt) about the irony (hypocrisy?) of his actions. Maybe GW/FW didn't have a problem with him borrowing their basic concepts. Maybe they did and he cleared it up with them. Who cares?

The point is that they certainly could have if they wanted to. Then he turns around and raises a stink when someone else borrows a similar idea from him. They didn't even do it knowingly, he bought the artwork after they made the miniatures. What's the big deal? I agree with what others have said on his facebook page...worry about making your stuff as good as possible and let the market decide. Especially with such a relatively minor example.

I mean...it's not like they copied the idea of one of his vehicles...

Spoiler:


First of all I am always open for discussion even if it gets a little rough sometimes. Please dont get me wrong on this.

I have to disagree on several points:
1. I had my IP issues with FW and GW and I changed my designs according to their wishes. Now we are both happy.
2. Nico has stated that is design is based on the drawings. At that time he was stealing the IP from Hannes (the creator of the drawings) I saw these drawings, liked them and bought the rights to make miniatures. So even as he created his miniatures before I did he used an IP he did not own.
3. Yes the topic we are talking about is super small. I mean it is just the design of two helmets. I asked him to chenge thse but he didn't answer at all. (we can now discuss forever if the design of these helmets is unique enough or not. I will not answer on this)
4. I was not aware that Patreon is going to block him completely. My idea was to block only the affected files. But that is up to Patreon. I already asked to change this.
5. Your comparission with the two vehicles is lacking a little bit. To gain IP protection the new idea has to be unique enough to stand out from all the existing ideas. In some cases this is just a small detail like the "hofmeister" corner at BMWs. So the vehicles can look very similar but still are protected. But the overall look of vehicles is not protected. And if you look closely these vehicles derivate in nearly every detail.


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 ApocLoner wrote:
So you make tanks that HEAVILY borrow from Forge World without a second thought.

Then you HEAVILY borrow from their Elysian line for your drop troops.

Now someone else has an idea similar to yours and you stomp it out before you even make yours.

...that's awesome


Please show me exactely what I borrowed from the Elysian line.

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The Wasteland

Since you asked, I'll respond one more time...

You're requesting specific details because that's the argument you can defend. But that's not the point that I and lots of others on Facebook are making. It's more about the fact that you took lots of design cues from FW stuff and then get all butt hurt about it when the same thing happened to you. Is that guys project really going to have an impact on anything you're doing?

It comes across as pointless, no one in their right mind will ever mistake that guys cyber rats for yours.

Also comes across as very callous; did you really need to stamp out that guy's project? Not a question of your legal rights, it's a question of whether you want to be perceived as a bit of a tool.
   
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Philadelphia PA

 ApocLoner wrote:
Since you asked, I'll respond one more time...

You're requesting specific details because that's the argument you can defend.


Right, it's not about petty things like details or facts, it's about voicing righteous umbrage at someone doing something that you don't like.

Good to come right out and admit it.
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
 ApocLoner wrote:
Since you asked, I'll respond one more time...

You're requesting specific details because that's the argument you can defend.


Right, it's not about petty things like details or facts, it's about voicing righteous umbrage at someone doing something that you don't like.

Good to come right out and admit it.


I went to great lengths to point out the 'facts' in my earlier post. It's interesting to note that Mortian decided to skip that one in responding.

It's also completely legitimate for Apocloner to point out that even if it weren't legal per se; morality and legality are two different things, and Mortian could easily be within his rights legally and acting badly morally.

Not that I think he has a legal leg to stand on either. Just because the creator of the model admits to taking inspiration from an artwork in no way means that they've made an exact copy of that artwork or breached any IP rights. Which is pretty self-evident in this case, given the many separate differing details I laid out in my last post. An oblong helmet is not a protectable concept, and a court would chuck it pretty sharpish.

We actually know this as a fact, because the other creator is based in Vancouver, the Berne Convention aligns their copyright laws with the US, and this concept was tested in Chapterhouse v Games Workshop. Games Workshop tried to argue that their specific shoulder pads were a protectable concept. It got slated and thrown out in the first wave of obvious non-claims along with GW's claim to own 'Halberds', 'Grenade Launchers', and Roman numerals. Geometric shapes do not qualify for protection, and I've already demonstrated how the two differ in detail. So what's left to claim?

Not to mention that Games Workshop themselves also have an oblong rat helmet in their artwork. Clan Skyre have several such variations.

I'm saying all this as someone who has spent a good few hundred pounds with Mortian and is interested in seeing them succeed as a business.

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Oh, that's sad, I was looking forward to pick up some of the cyberrats. Great design, sad to see that copyright trolling is needed to deal with an inferior product.
   
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot






Is the medium tank transports "turret" movable when everything is fixed together?

And out of personal curiosity: if I would put a GW Ogryn into one of the transports (the assault one, medium tank or crawler) would his head bob out?

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Maine

 Pyroalchi wrote:
Is the medium tank transports "turret" movable when everything is fixed together?

And out of personal curiosity: if I would put a GW Ogryn into one of the transports (the assault one, medium tank or crawler) would his head bob out?


Yes, the main "turret " is movable, as are the gun arrays that are part of the optional enclosed back top. I don't have a GW ogryn on hand. But will post a picture with a figure in the back.


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Thanks Insurgency Walker, that was really helpful. Is that a Scion or a Marine-type?

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Maine

Scion.


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I think I might prime the turret parts before assembly on the second one I build. I have to see how much of a pain it is keeping the turret free during priming.

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Under the couch

blaktoof wrote:
Not sure what disney's employment contract is but if it's made on a company laptop at any time, or company licensed software at any time, or during business hours on site it would likely be owned by disney.

As I understand it, it has less to do with when and how it was made, and more to do with what you were employed to do. If you're employed to design tanks, then depending on the specifics of your employment contract any tanks you design, even in your own time, are potentially owned by your employer. Any discussion down that road would be pure speculation without knowing the details of the employment contract in question, though, so wouldn't really accomplish much.


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 mortiantank wrote:
Hey guys,

here are some painted pictures of the mediumt tank transport with all weapon options. The rear cover is removable.

https://mortian.shop/product/medium-tank-transport/
Spoiler:



This is looking fantastic!

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Interesting vehicle. I like the idea of a IFV/APC with the armour of an MBT. I do like the paint job on that one pictured and the weapons options displayed, a lot of choice there.

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Quick headsup for those interested: I just received my buggies from the kickstarter as well as a set of heavy ogres. I want to finish some stuff before I get to them, so I have no pictures yet, but from a first inspection of the parts the quality is really good. Crisp details, no warping or deformed parts. So far I have only found one tiny air buble on one Ogre shoe were a rivet should be, but it will be no problem to repair. The Lascannons for the heavy buggy and the roll cages are completely straight, a feat not all resin producers manage.

I'm also very impressed by the quality of the ogre heads, they really look stunning.
Another nice feat: delivery was extremely fast. I ordered Tuesday at 20:00, the delivery service got it Wednesday and delivered it Thursday. I live in the same city, still it's impressive.

~3700 build and painted 
   
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That's good to know. I backed the Kickstarter as well, but haven't cashed in my coupon because I'm still waiting for other crew minis to become available.
   
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Germany

Hey guys,

I have currently a sale with 20% discount until monday for all products except Cyberrats.
The code is: SaleWeekend2020

Go get it
   
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot






Sounds very tempting. Two questions:
1. I have placed an order at the end of october that is still being processed (so not send yet). Is it somehow possible to just add another order and get everything in one package (saving some mailing costs)?
2. Would a drop trooper driver/gunner fit into the new cyberrat hunter?

~3700 build and painted 
   
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Further questions: waiting on renders for the runners to place an order so I only have to drop shipping once--would it be possible for me to place an order of a few walkers for this sale and roll them in with the rats order?

Also, are we likely to see at least renders of what the laser cannon and flamethrower for the cyberrat ogre look like? That's the other bit I'm kinda waiting on to make a decision and put my order in. If they're out, and I just missed them, sorry!
   
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Atlanta,Ga

Wondering when that commander Orge miniature will be released really need it to complete my orgyn section.

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Gambrills, MD

Loving the tanks. How much is shipping to the US?

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I just got the gasmask and drop trooper drivers and am really satisfied. Both look really good and come with a lot of different arms. 10 for the gasmask variant, 6 for the drop trooper. The later is also very slightly slimmer


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