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BrianDavion wrote:


me too, I doubt we'll see a p[rimarisified Logan Grimnar, his plastic mini is too new, but a primaris dante and azrael would be spiffy.

Eventually all of the Special characters will be Primaris-ified, or killed and replaced with new characters to fill the old role. A 10 man Intercessor and a 10 man Tactical squad are roughly equivalent on points - other 1.0 and Primaris units are similar - and not quite as equivalent on value but close enough. If your special character you're running the squad with is Primaris, you run the Primaris unit and a Repulsor. If the SC is 1.0 you run it with the 1.0 squad and a Rhino or a Land Raider variant. They're not going to cancel 1.0 Marines, they're going to let us do it, and they're going to make it EASY for us to do it. That's why the newly minted Reserve Company Marine driving a Repulsor has the clout to tell Azrael to get his butt out of a Primaris Repulsor and why Primaris Marneus can't fit in a Land Raider.

Marneus was easy. We already have Aggressors with auto bolt storm two fisted death, he was already a Terminator with two fisted death - and a - I forget where they stashed the 4++ was it the Laurels? - so scale, invuln, weaponry and size rules were already pretty well taken care of. Azrael and Dante are being held up by their wargear. There isn't a melee jump pack unit to inspire/starting point a new Dante sculpt, plus the Melta Pistol, plus the axe (SW have a lot of power axes, Blood Angels not so much). Primaris aren't using combi-weapons which is tough for Azrael, Logan is probably held up over debate on what to do with his dogsled. Enough Space Wolves have power axes already that Morkai isn't an issue. Ragnar will Primaris-ify fast. Dude on foot with a generic bolt pistol and special chainsword? Easy peasy.

An absolute minimum is giving Imperial Fists a Chapter Master model. I don't care if it's a new character or the existing one.
Lysander is not enough as a captain. It feels underwhelming to have him as the most important special character in your army.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I would be pretty okay with some of the chapter masters with older sculptures getting replaced with brand new chapter masters. Of course, that is pretty easy for me to say given I don't have any the models for them. Still, I think it would be a good time to introduce new characters here and there just to show that space marines (even the important ones) do actually die. I figure is a model is getting close to driving age most players have got their money's worth and it might be worthwhile injecting some new blood into the Characters that are out in the galaxy.

They do die. But they may not go away. The Ultramarines First Captain was killed Shakespeare style (off screen) when they introduced Tyranids. Captain Invictus never had a model though. And ironically now potentially does have one that can be kitbashed with the Plasma Blaster. Tycho died. Sort of. He's still around, and playable, but he's officially dead. And dying in 40K could be even less permanent than dying on General Hospital. Lord Solar Macharius for the guard is dead. Creed may or may not be, maybe even wishes he was. Sicarius from the UM Second Company was assumed dead, replaced, and came back to find out there's a new Captain in town - probably because making a named 2nd company captain of the prototype paint scheme everyone plays, frequently with a DIY Captain, or Calgar was a mistake.


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DanielFM wrote:
An absolute minimum is giving Imperial Fists a Chapter Master model. I don't care if it's a new character or the existing one.
Lysander is not enough as a captain. It feels underwhelming to have him as the most important special character in your army.

Every Chapter they're going to flesh out should have a Chapter Master, Iconic Company Captain, Top Chaplain, and Top Libby - Well except Black Templars maybe..

actually the reason for removing Sicarius was so they should show off the gravis captain in 2nd company colours. IMHO there's some evidance pointing towards Cato Sicarius getting primarisized VERY soon. the evidance is two fold now that we know it can be done.

First off all, we're finally getting a novel revealing what happened to him, that will, presumably bring him back into play. Secondly, and this is something that I think a lot of people missed. Sicarius was replaced by a Primaris Captain named Archean (or something) the same primaris captain whom was (presumably) killed in Shadowspear.

BrianDavion wrote:
actually the reason for removing Sicarius was so they should show off the gravis captain in 2nd company colours. IMHO there's some evidance pointing towards Cato Sicarius getting primarisized VERY soon. the evidance is two fold now that we know it can be done.

First off all, we're finally getting a novel revealing what happened to him, that will, presumably bring him back into play. Secondly, and this is something that I think a lot of people missed. Sicarius was replaced by a Primaris Captain named Archean (or something) the same primaris captain whom was (presumably) killed in Shadowspear.

That was pretty much what I just said? They didn't want a specific Captain in charge of the default color scheme? Sicarius may well be Primaris-ified but I think they make him a floating captain Equerry to Guilliman or something other than the 2nd Company Captain so people can still run a DIY 2nd Company Captain as either Primaris, Phobos, Gravis, OR 1.0 (Assorted).