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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.

It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.

Yes, of course, but the problem with making cultural references as a metaphor is that you kind of have to go where the general sentiment is. The idea of GW sitting in their ivory tower, looking out at the horde of unwashed plebs on the verge of revolt due to excessive pricing, and going "let them pay $230, it's a discount!" is a particularly powerful image that succinctly represents how dangerously out of touch I think GW has been getting, historical accuracy not withstanding.

I've been reading that kind of comment (GW is out of touch) for the last five years at least ...
GW is not out of touch at all, it is testing the waters. They need to maximize profit, and increasing price is a good way to do so in a market where they have an almost complete monopoly. It's been the same for how many years really ? I remember in 4th edition I was already thinking that their prices were too high. As soon as they see their selling drop down, they will propose a few good deal for a limited time until they go back to that obviously greedy strategy.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.

It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.

Yes, of course, but the problem with making cultural references as a metaphor is that you kind of have to go where the general sentiment is. The idea of GW sitting in their ivory tower, looking out at the horde of unwashed plebs on the verge of revolt due to excessive pricing, and going "let them pay $230, it's a discount!" is a particularly powerful image that succinctly represents how dangerously out of touch I think GW has been getting, historical accuracy not withstanding.

True, but its not new. They were like that years ago, and we lost a system over it.
The prices and the shoddy rules are looking too much like WH 8th ed.

Releases for the 9th look accurate

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/27/

I actually really like this concept. Price might be an issue, but the concept is great.

I've had problems with double-sided tape and poster putty not actually holding bigger stuff down but it looks like this is solid.

So that spray "stick" design is not what I was expecting. I'm kinda intrigued to see more.

Nice to see the Reapers are not getting a drawn out release. But given my painting rate, Feast of bones will probably keep me going until they get a Start Collecting box

Pretty much all of the list is accurate. I know that there is some dismay at the size of this leak over on Lenton Lane.



Source: GW HQ.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So that spray "stick" design is not what I was expecting. I'm kinda intrigued to see more.

Nice to see the Reapers are not getting a drawn out release. But given my painting rate, Feast of bones will probably keep me going until they get a Start Collecting box

Clearly, the Citadel Spray Stick is actually an Ossiarch release.

Wraithbone(or Grey Seer!) spray with some contrast would go a long way for these guys.

Interesting that spray stick design, not heard anywhere else except on the lists that was coming out

Yup. Major part of their appeal to me!


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Hoping the rubber bands on the spray stick are a specific, widely available size...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup. Major part of their appeal to me!


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Hoping the rubber bands on the spray stick are a specific, widely available size...

If only bands were made of some flexible material that could say, stretch, as needed.

So does this pretty much prove that price list then? That’s disappointing.

 ImAGeek wrote:
So does this pretty much prove that price list then? That’s disappointing.

Everything on the 2nd was correct incl pricing
Red paint handle was a wierd price on the list but is on the list as are the paint pot holders and the stick everyone laughed about and others so the % of it being more correct is going up

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup. Major part of their appeal to me!


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Hoping the rubber bands on the spray stick are a specific, widely available size...

If only bands were made of some flexible material that could say, stretch, as needed.

My fear is I’d cock it up, and send my models on a short flight somewhere!

So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.

Thats fantastic!

 Galas wrote:
So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.

Thats fantastic!

They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

I hope no one looking at those pictures actually believes that:

1) rubber bands are going to securely hold models onto a plastic tray

2) 2-3" is the optimal distance for spray paint.

I'm amused they didn't even pretend to show off how that 'paint pot holder' was supposed to work. Its either far bigger and deeper than appears to be, or its going to do nothing. And I love the idea of fussing with GW's paint pot lids with two other bottles snuggled up to the one you're trying to open.

 Galas wrote:
So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.

Thats fantastic!

Especially since they started on the high side, $50 for not quite 10 models, instead of $42 for 10 for Necromunda, or $35 for 10 for normal kits back in the days of only slightly high insanity.

 DaveC wrote:
They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

That seems extremely optimistic/naive.

GW, if your are reading this, it’s not to late to fix the numerous, embarrassing pricing errors in that leak...

 DaveC wrote:

 Galas wrote:
So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.

Thats fantastic!

They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

Thing is $65 is a really odd price point.

Right now they are $50 each.

Double the model count would make you think the price should jump to $100, minus a bit for the removal of cards.

However $65 is only $15 more. That's less than half the price of the set to get double the models if they double the count. They'd basically never sell a single warband box again.


Meanwhile that's a REALLY short time period to increase the box by a significant amount, less than 6 months. It would kill Warcry





So its a really odd situation. Either they are increasing content and being really (by their current product prices) generous; or they are repricing and being really mean.
It's honestly the only real oddity on the list.

I'd be fairly confident GW have tested it... And the can is to demonstrate usage, not show the optimal distance for spray.

You'll find similar in 90% of product marketing.

So its to demonstrate usage in a way you'd never use it?
Gotcha.

Plus, with the models so close together and the base sides covered (I prime those, personally)... it doesn't seem particularly useful. Are you supposed to turn the models inside the rubber bands to get to areas you can't reach/are blocked by other models? What about underside angles? Those seem entirely blocked.

I'm used to spraying in a box to block wind- this seems actively obtuse to use effectively.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

That seems extremely optimistic/naive.

It's doubtful that it would be, say, everything in the warband twice over...but there's a couple of other ways it could go.

Most of the warbands have at least one sprue that is the 'generic' model for the unit. It's possible that sprue ends up getting duplicated.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

That seems extremely optimistic/naive.

It's doubtful that it would be, say, everything in the warband twice over...but there's a couple of other ways it could go.

Most of the warbands have at least one sprue that is the 'generic' model for the unit. It's possible that sprue ends up getting duplicated.

Except the way their rules work right now every single warbox (as they are currently sold) adds all the required special models. If they added a generic block you'd end up with half as many specialist models as you'd need to complete a fully working force. Going half in the box would be really odd esp when combined with regular warcry boxed sets/boxed games.

The Oldheim Ogres were the old team name for the Ogre Team, so maybe its what they used internally until the came up with the new one?

The Ogre Team having 4 Ogres and 12 snotlings is more than they usually include in a box, that's pretty swell. I think 4o/8s/4rr is the usual starting roster, no?

Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.

 Overread wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.

That seems extremely optimistic/naive.

It's doubtful that it would be, say, everything in the warband twice over...but there's a couple of other ways it could go.

Most of the warbands have at least one sprue that is the 'generic' model for the unit. It's possible that sprue ends up getting duplicated.

Except the way their rules work right now every single warbox (as they are currently sold) adds all the required special models. If they added a generic block you'd end up with half as many specialist models as you'd need to complete a fully working force. Going half in the box would be really odd esp when combined with regular warcry boxed sets/boxed games.

Given that it's a book related release, who's to say how it will work now?

Given that two-army boxes went from $160 to $195 in 5 months, I don’t think we can assume ANY increased value to accompany the price increase.

 Sarouan wrote:
Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.

There’s no way to just ‘add a few basic miniatures’ because of how the sprues are layed out. You’d have to double the sprues for more models.

That list is a bit on the underwhelming side. Maybe the 40k sorcerer could be interesting for me depending on how the model will be, all other things just meh

As long as GW keeps pumping primarines, sigmarines and cartoon-sigmar-things (or cartoon 40k), I will continue to save a lot of money...

I feel everyone is overlooking the big news.

Red painting handles!!!1!!!1!