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Around Paris in France, most GW staff I know are also "geeks who have hung around long enough", and they are very happy to share their passion. I think people entering the store can feel that, if they stay for like 5 min talking with the store manage / geek.

Also, and only speak for 40k because its the only i currently play (tried a few of the othetrs, none really got me hooked) being the "mainstream wargame", us 40k players know we "work for The Man" (The Man = the mainstream game).

So we are not defending all the time our precious little game, and we don't look like a cult when we introduce the game to someone new.

I think this really helps, even though most people don't really get hooked and leave after buying a few boxes, painting a few models, and playing less than 3 intro games (and that is fine, I mean if one out of ten gets hooked, then it's pretty decent investment).

I went to buy some magic cards today so I can play a few games per month with my nephew, and the game store guy, while very nice, didn't seem to give a feth (we was doing his job just like i would do mine, and I deal with paperwork and money mostly, so suffice to say i have no "real" passion (i totally fake it if i must) for my job to say the least.

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Sorry, possible snark here.

But decided to browse FFG’s Star Wars Armada range, as fancied picking up a New Republic Star Hawk....

Ha......hahahahahahahahahaha!

For Brits of a certain vintage? FLIPPIN’ ‘ECK, TUCKER!

What. A. Price. For a single model, not all that large, and pre-painted?

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/fantasy-flight-games/star-wars-armada/nadiri-starhawk-star-wars-armada

GW are by no means cheap, and I’m not gonna tell anyone to find them value for money (as that’s inherently a matter of perspective).

But this??? Ooooffffff.

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Expensive but is she big is the question - heck I'd love their Super Star Destroyer model though its priced more than a hieroduel

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/fantasy-flight-games/star-wars-armada/star-wars-armada-super-star-destroyer-expansion-pack

   
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Also Star Wars is not a cheap license.
   
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At that price point it would be cheaper just to buy authentic 1977-era modeling kits and kitbash a real Star War ship.

Whatever you do, don’t buy one of those and then casually look it up on Thingiverse.

   
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 Overread wrote:
Expensive but is she big is the question



Big enough by the looks of it..



Plus in all likelihood represents a much larger percentage of a full sized force than the equivalent spend in some other games, and doesn't require the purchase of additional rule supplements to be able to field it.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry, possible snark here.

But decided to browse FFG’s Star Wars Armada range, as fancied picking up a New Republic Star Hawk....

Ha......hahahahahahahahahaha!

For Brits of a certain vintage? FLIPPIN’ ‘ECK, TUCKER!

What. A. Price. For a single model, not all that large, and pre-painted?

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/fantasy-flight-games/star-wars-armada/nadiri-starhawk-star-wars-armada

GW are by no means cheap, and I’m not gonna tell anyone to find them value for money (as that’s inherently a matter of perspective).

But this??? Ooooffffff.


About the size of a 100 quid imperial knight, or fairly close? I dunno.
And it's ready built and painted. It's price probably covers a big chunk of license fee too. Still looks cheap in comparison to GW stuff.

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Yeah, the only really crazy priced Armada item is the SSD. The rest aren't fairly comparable to GW pricing given that you can still build a fairly competitive fleet for less than $300. Try doing that with a 40k army.

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Whilst I love my wee spacesheeps there has been a price hike on par with the GW since 2.0 I suspect its part of the FFG agenda to one up geedubs by making the same mistakes in half the time, personally besides the upgrade kits ive bought hardly anything new and mostly wont besides the eta2 ? (jedi thing from sith)

And with aero-wotsits being very cheap luring folks out of gw space is going to be way harder than 2012

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To the OT- why does GW have such a strong presence?

It comes down to the way that tabletop miniatures games and CCGs are sold and played.

Basically, we all purchase half a game, and need to find someone who has the other half.

That makes momentum extremely important. Everyone wants to play a bunch with lots of opponents, and the easy way to do that is to play the game that others are already playing (the hard way is to convince a lot if people to start playing your game).

This is why the '90s CCG market eventually parsed down to a few CCGs (mostly just Magic and Pokemon).

It also hurts that so many games have fallen apart such that you can't find players at your game store anymore (it makes the longevity of GW dominance more appealing because you know that the game won't be cancelled shortly).

Obviously the market can support more than one game.
Fantasy Flight have shown that you can break into this market with the Star Wars brand, and a few companies have been able to maintain a footing (largely by recruiting people who are fed up with GW for one reason or another).

- Board games are not dominated in this way because players buy a complete game. It is a lot easier to convince your buddy to play a game if they don't have to invest in it.

Retail channel board games are instead dominated by companies that have the best relationships with distributors (iez Asmodee). Kickstarter bypasses this and allows for a much more saturated market to thrive. But Kickstarter has not proven to work as well for tabletop miniatures games.

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While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry, possible snark here.

But decided to browse FFG’s Star Wars Armada range, as fancied picking up a New Republic Star Hawk....

Ha......hahahahahahahahahaha!

For Brits of a certain vintage? FLIPPIN’ ‘ECK, TUCKER!

What. A. Price. For a single model, not all that large, and pre-painted?

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/fantasy-flight-games/star-wars-armada/nadiri-starhawk-star-wars-armada

GW are by no means cheap, and I’m not gonna tell anyone to find them value for money (as that’s inherently a matter of perspective).

But this??? Ooooffffff.


I bought 3, I don't understand the problem?

I mean, seriously, its a really high quality pre-paint the size of... not sure what a relvant size example is, but its large, probably about the size of a 40k knight or a bit smaller, and includes all the rules in the box.

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As others have said, I think a huge part of it is simply being one of the earliest players in the market. They were able to make (and learn from) mistakes in a much more forgiving time period, and came about in a time when there was considerably less competition. They've had the advantage of being a stable game too, so it's a much easier pitch than other, less well known games. For example, I think Infinity has a lot going for it, but ALL the gamers in my area play 40k, so getting anyone interested in a game that only has a few local players gets challenging.

There have been times when GW made enough mistakes that their position was challenged though. Starship Troopers seemed like it had a chance (and actually over-took 40k in my area) until MGP royally screwed the pooch. VOR also looked promising, right up until FASA shut down. Then there was that time X-Wing actually passed 40k for most popular game (I can't remember how the metric was measured), but GW eventually got its act together again. The thing is, they've been around long enough that they can absorb mistakes, and peaks and valleys that other companies really can't. They're also largely focused on what they do best and don't try to stray too far from that, so that helps as well.

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Games Workshop games are one of the few I actually see played in LGSs, other than Magic and other CCGs.

GW makes sure any store that carries their stuff, carries a lot. That helps feed the cycle, because you can usually find what you're looking for (at least in the stores I frequent). On the other hand, try to find any historicals minis or rules other than Bolt Action, and Flames of War (Battlefront).

Historicals in general can be super confusing because they don't tend to care which models are used, although BF tried the GW method. Maybe you find Hail Caesar from Warlord, and a box of Parliamentary Cavalry in an LGS. Whee?

Their market force comes from their presence in LGSs, and their own stores. As well as a 30 year history of providing games. That can be much more comforting as 1) everybody seems to play it, 2) I can find stuff locally, and 3) its unlikely to go under, and then everyone drops it as "not supported". (You can add in any number of sci-fi, fantasy, and historical rulesets here).

It can also be self supporting when all you do is go to the GW store, or the local LGS with a big GW community. If that's all your exposed to... I try to go to Fall In and Cold Wars (HMGS East Historical Conventions) in my area each year, and there are thousands of attendees, and the vendor halls actually have every historical miniature under the sun, and lots of them. That's where the market presence of historicals is, or from folks playing in basements. Its definitely not as mainstream as GW appears to be now.

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Finding the other players who will actually touch another game can be a real challenge. People get burned enough times and they quit trying other stuff. One guy I knew in DC refused to even look at a game until he had seen it played at least three times in the FLGS.

We moved to rural Oregon (nearest game store is 50 minutes away) a few years back. One of my two current consistent gaming buddies had posted a sign in the FLGS looking for folks to try Song of Blades & Heroes. He would show up and demo it to anyone interested but had no takers for over a year. In fact, other than me, nobody still has taken him up on the game.
   
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Yup, that's the conundrum.

Fortunately I have a decent size pool of opponents that play at home and in each other's basements/garages:

1) the 40k players
2) the Specialist Game folks - Mordheim, Gothic, Blood Bowl, (and x-wing and the like)
3) the historical guy who will play anything and I think has literally bought every rulebook that comes out for historicals, oh and buys and paints a ton of figs. He also plays AoS and 40k on occassion.

So in my situation, none of us really play in an LGS, and we have enough different folks who like different games that if you buy both sides, they'll give it a go, or play them in one offs. Though what they really like is campaign style games (Blood Bowl, Mordheim). I also realize that this is atypical.

But, as I get older (over 50 at this point), the allure of GW has worn off, and I'm spending most if not all of my time with old rules, historicals (Dark Ages, Medieval), and other things that are not GW, aside from Titanicus. That scratches all the itches.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.



This is not a failing of the gamer, it the sales model of the game itself. Each player is supposed to bring an army to the table to play. If one player brings two armies, it is like bringing a second Magic the Gathering deck- you can teach someone new with it, but ultimately the list building is a major element of the strategy.

I don't think there's anything for gamers to learn from this. I mean, if you want to teach people the game and help it catch on locally, you need to have enough for two people to play. I guess with some of the smaller games without build options (like Crisis Protocol, Underworlds or Blood Bowl) it is possible for a person to have enough stuff that his friends can play with it. But the social expectation will still be that everyone brings half a game on game night.


This contrasts a lot with something like Blood Rage, Kingdom Death or Eldritch Horror. If one gamer in the group brings the game, there's no need or reason for anyone else to bring anything.

 
   
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Most companies that operate community reps in some form often require them to own at least two starter-sized armies of different forces for the game. That way they can do demo games iwth newbies. The idea being that playing a game with models is far more engaging. Once you've got them that way you've far more chance of convincing them to play. Far more so than showing pictures or photos or sending them home to the internet.

You create the experience right there with them and you showcase off at least two diverse forces.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.


We have "one of those" locally. Often dumps serious cash on a game or a KS, announces their interest after doing so then often gets cross when they're met with disinterest. Then lists the stuff for sale and starts the cycle over.

These days I'm a lot more conservative about adopting new games, firstly under normal circumstances I can play something once a week, so whatever it is I'm playing needs to be something that's fun.

Secondly I understand that it's not other player's responsibility to provide me with opponents for games they're not into, and jumping to games that kinda obligates them to spend because I've put something they enjoy in front of them can be fatiguing in the long term.

So my attitude towards adopting new games these days is one of being able to supply enough for people to play on a casual basis and/or being content to own the models if the game isn't popular.

I also don't hold it against people if their initial enthusiasm doesn't hold, looking at you Gaslands, people have no agency in what diverts them long term and what is just a short term curiosity.

Life would be simpler if I just played 40K and Signar, but I've played far better games since I stopped (and I have the bonus of being able to restart if it catches my attention again, my models haven't evaporated, but they've have got a little dusty...)

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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry, possible snark here.

But decided to browse FFG’s Star Wars Armada range, as fancied picking up a New Republic Star Hawk....

Ha......hahahahahahahahahaha!

For Brits of a certain vintage? FLIPPIN’ ‘ECK, TUCKER!

What. A. Price. For a single model, not all that large, and pre-painted?

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/fantasy-flight-games/star-wars-armada/nadiri-starhawk-star-wars-armada

GW are by no means cheap, and I’m not gonna tell anyone to find them value for money (as that’s inherently a matter of perspective).

But this??? Ooooffffff.


About the size of a 100 quid imperial knight, or fairly close? I dunno.
And it's ready built and painted. It's price probably covers a big chunk of license fee too. Still looks cheap in comparison to GW stuff.


It’s the built and painted thing that puts me off.

It may be splitting hairs, but hey, it’s just an opinion. But when I buy from GW, I’ll get a kit I can build and perhaps even repose.

Armada? Again as a purely personal quirk. I’m just buying a toy which it happens I can field in a game.

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It all matters where you are at here in America. GW and AoS are pretty universal but Heroclicks is probably as big or even bigger. Then there if FFG and PP. Historicals is around in the Flames of War sense with a very small core of BattleTech and even Mantic. From then on the groups shake out differently based on region.

 
   
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 odinsgrandson wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.



This is not a failing of the gamer, it the sales model of the game itself. Each player is supposed to bring an army to the table to play. If one player brings two armies, it is like bringing a second Magic the Gathering deck- you can teach someone new with it, but ultimately the list building is a major element of the strategy.

I don't think there's anything for gamers to learn from this. I mean, if you want to teach people the game and help it catch on locally, you need to have enough for two people to play. I guess with some of the smaller games without build options (like Crisis Protocol, Underworlds or Blood Bowl) it is possible for a person to have enough stuff that his friends can play with it. But the social expectation will still be that everyone brings half a game on game night.


This contrasts a lot with something like Blood Rage, Kingdom Death or Eldritch Horror. If one gamer in the group brings the game, there's no need or reason for anyone else to bring anything.


Perhaps my circles of friends are just board gamers at heart, because we don’t have that expectation. When I got into BFG, I bought the starter set and expanded both fleets so that my friends could play. I got enough Eldar, nids and ‘crons for small-force, four-sides games. This did a lot more to sell the games to my friends and family than when I attempted to get my friends to buy into 40k. It was somehow different for a friend to buy a small fleet of ork ships knowing how the game played than it was when I suggested he buy a box of ork boys. (He flipped out at the price, assembled one ork, and to this day keeps bringing it up as a grievance.)

   
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 Azreal13 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.


We have "one of those" locally. Often dumps serious cash on a game or a KS, announces their interest after doing so then often gets cross when they're met with disinterest. Then lists the stuff for sale and starts the cycle over. ...


That's been me over the past 20 years. I sat out 40k editions (4, 6 and 7) because I didn't enjoy them.
During that time we moved a lot for my work and I wound up buying into/demoing and usually owning at least 2 forces for:
I listed them last night and it was crazy.

Void 1.1
LOTR SBG
LOTR War of the Ring
Judge Dredd/Mega City One
Starship Troopers Miniatures Game
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Kings of War
Deadzone
Blood Bowl
Necromunda
WarCry
Kill Team
Pulp Alley
Frostgrave
Age of Sigmar (1st edition)
X-Wing
Star Trek Attack Wing

Out of all those, I can, today, reliably only get games of 40k outside of the two guys I know who will play alternative stuff.
If I hadn't linked up with those two gaming buddies, my choice would be to play 40k or not play because the rest of the local players won't touch it unless it's 40k.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

It’s the built and painted thing that puts me off.

It may be splitting hairs, but hey, it’s just an opinion. But when I buy from GW, I’ll get a kit I can build and perhaps even repose.

Which hasn't always been the case. When I enjoyed GW gaming, the only 'building' that you needed was to stick it on a plastic base.
Over the years GW have turned the hobby into what was the domain of Airfix plane building as the main part of the hobby.
I recently put two Necromunda gangs together. Most had 15 tiny fiddly pieces to make a single figure. My old Necromunda figures were 1 piece and needed a slotta base.

15 tiny pieces, all needing mold lines scraping off, and carefully gluing together. The 2 sprues basically made 5 very similar models. This could have been done with a single body and optional arms. Reposing would take effort as the individual parts were unique to that particular model. In other words... a waste of hobby time. The hobby used to be painting and gaming. Now building seems to be the main part.

You may laugh at prebuilt models but I know many gamers put off by having to be an 'Airfix' fan to play a wargame.

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Hence I explained it solely in the frame of personal preference.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hence I explained it solely in the frame of personal preference.


whereas Im the other end, and do my upmost to avoid painting besides the magic of nuln oil and earthshade followed by a quick drybrush to scuzz up the Scum ships for x-wing so preassemble and pre-paint is about my faff tolerance

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odinsgrandson wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While I’ve never understood it, that does seem to be the dominant attitude among gamers; buy half a game in the hopes someone else will buy the other half, and then blame the game when the obvious results occur. I suspect the rise of big box boardgames and Kickstarter deals is slowly changing attitudes. Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.



This is not a failing of the gamer, it the sales model of the game itself. Each player is supposed to bring an army to the table to play. If one player brings two armies, it is like bringing a second Magic the Gathering deck- you can teach someone new with it, but ultimately the list building is a major element of the strategy.


It's also about getting people to act against their own interest for commercial reasons. If someone wanted a truly deep and interesting magic experience they should look into this search result from scryfall:

Showing 1 – 60 of 12,427 cards where the USD price < 0.25

Anyone who wants to can put together their 75 with a budget of less than $20. But what do the "meta" standard decks cost? Temur Reclamation $450. Bant Ramp $575. And what about the a few meta chocies in Modern? Erosa $1400, Simic Reclamation $1300, Eldrazi Tron $650

This combination of each player bringing half the game with formats of play is all about money. If it was about a good game experience then people could dive into the 12000+ cards that they can get for a quarter or less each and make their lists.

Azreal13 wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Hopefully people will see the value in bringing a whole game to introduce to their buddies, if they want it to catch on.


We have "one of those" locally. Often dumps serious cash on a game or a KS, announces their interest after doing so then often gets cross when they're met with disinterest. Then lists the stuff for sale and starts the cycle over.


I don't think your "one of those" is the same as what Bob is advocating for. Your "one of those" sounds like someone who feels entitled to people's attention/participation. Someone who dumps things when others don't join in doesn't really sound like someone who is truly passionate about their chosen game. If you want a gaming group that is open to multiple different games then you need to host games, participate in the games of others and be generally relaxed about the whole process. It needs to be as much a give and take as a board game club that plays lots of different games that different people want to try.

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If its the "one of those" I think it is that Az13 is referring to they are quite the odd frog even by gamer standards

I think its partly liking the stage at the start of a games lifecycle when everybody is a bit crap at the game which can be fun, then someone reads something or it just clicks and folks start to git gud and the game loses it wild n wooly stage for them as people strive to git gooderer so he moves to a new thing and repeat, if our clubs was full of waac jobs id get it but the majority of us hobbits are fairly easy going just happy to chuck dice and talk bobbins

"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." 
   
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Princeps of the Emperor's Titan!






Finding a suitable gaming group is a challenge in the later days.

As covered, I’ve not properly or regularly played in a long old time, due to my commute and work taking a lot out in terms of brain power. So I’m more or less back to square one.

Thankfully, local club whilst one for competitive settings are also all round Good Eggs, happy to help coach me through my first few games. Without that? I don’t think I’d stand a chance of getting back into the swing of things.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives?Why not join us?

 
   
 
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