Switch Theme:

Bringing your own terrain, is that a thing?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in gb
Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot



Wrexham, North Wales

a_typical_hero wrote:
My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".


I'm a bit fuzzy on the "hard pass" thing. At first scan I thought it meant "I found it hard to pass it up" ie an individual gave it some thought and then reluctantly decided not to purchase said item. But it seems to be used to say "No way am I buying that piece of junk!"

But I digress.
   
Made in us
Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle






 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).


I dunno, winter is coming and the panic buyers are stripping the shelves of bog roll once again. Someone might get desperate!



A GW fan walks into a bar, buys the same drink as yesterday but pays more.

""Unite" is a human word, ... join me or die."

If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. 
   
Made in us
Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle






 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).

It should have had the terrain rules in there, rather than a complete reprint of the basic 40K rules.
Agreed. At the very least GW could have bundled them together into a single product. Instead they took what was a whole product and split it into multiple pieces bought separately. It would be like selling the body for a new miniature in one box while all of its arms and weapon options come in a different box.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




I'm happy they split it up for maximum cash grab effect, it makes it less likely to catch on and anything that increases the chances of the buy-GW-branded-terrain-for-competitive-advantage thing flopping is a good change in my book.

Nothing better than seeing GW get hoisted on its own petard on this one. They might have been successful if they hadn't been so transparently greedy, so it's good for people like me that they weren't able to control themselves.
   
Made in be
Mysterious Techpriest





Belgium

I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are

Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.

40K: Mechanicus
AoS: Nighthaunts

My Stygies VIII army in pictures !
My Eversor and Culexus assassins !

 Rolsheen wrote:
Ah yes the mythical world of Cyraxus
Where GW hold an annual bonfire festival to burn the hopes and dreams of all Ad Mech players
 
   
Made in gb
Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest





Stevenage, UK

MarkNorfolk wrote:
a_typical_hero wrote:
My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".

I'm a bit fuzzy on the "hard pass" thing. At first scan I thought it meant "I found it hard to pass it up" ie an individual gave it some thought and then reluctantly decided not to purchase said item. But it seems to be used to say "No way am I buying that piece of junk!"
But I digress.

I think you've got the meaning now. It's an extra-strong version of "I'll pass, thanks".
Imagine if you will, that "I'll pass" is like politely saying no thank you to the salesman and smiling as you close the door, whereas "hard pass" is the equivalent of scowling and shutting the door before they've even finished their sentence.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/28 22:23:33


"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch  
   
Made in us
Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps




 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are


For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




NE Ohio, USA

Voss wrote:
 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are


For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.


Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.
   
Made in au
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

And the fact that the rules only cover 9 terrain pieces, of which a third of them are just different combinations of these two ruins.

   
Made in us
Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps




ccs wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are


For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.


Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.


No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'

You're agreeing with me.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




NE Ohio, USA

Voss wrote:
ccs wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are


For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.


Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.


No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'

You're agreeing with me.


No, I'm not agreeing with you.
If I'm hosting a game & someones bringing this stuff they have to buy it, assemble it, paint it, transport it, & then we have whatever rules debates might ensue. As well as whatever future BS GW attaches. This is no different than if the game were occurring at one of the local shops - except we can enjoy a beer & masks aren't required.
   
Made in us
Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps




ccs wrote:
Voss wrote:
ccs wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are


For people who only play in their own (or their buddy's) garage, 'bringing their own terrain' makes no difference at all. It simply isn't a factor, so they don't have to deal with any of the issues this generates.


Depending upon the group you're wrong on that.
And all of us who may choose to use this stuff have to deal with the co$t & any transport issues.


No. 'For people who only play in their garage' is pretty clear.
'Everyone else' is obviously outside that group, and 'has to deal with any of the issues this stuff generates.'

You're agreeing with me.


No, I'm not agreeing with you.
If I'm hosting a game & someones bringing this stuff they have to buy it, assemble it, paint it, transport it, & then we have whatever rules debates might ensue. As well as whatever future BS GW attaches. This is no different than if the game were occurring at one of the local shops - except we can enjoy a beer & masks aren't required.


Let me try again.

Aarinis mentioned that Facebook has a lot of people who like this release. And said it was due to 'the real world' being less bitter.

I replied that players and groups who have one garage location don't have any of issues of transporting terrain and the like- the obvious implication being that they keep all their stuff there all the time.

If YOU are not part of THAT GROUP, then I was not referring to YOU. You'd be in the 'everyone else' having issues with this release. You're in the group that has issues. And obviously you agree that you have issues with it.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut




How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
Made in gb
Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets





Cardiff

Karol wrote:
How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.


They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
Made in au
Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests






Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Karol wrote:
How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.
Of course now we have a new challenge to explore:

Public "rogue" 40k games.

   
Made in it
Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator





Sesto San Giovanni, Italy

I think is a bad move, a cash grab, and I don't (and won't) support it in any way. This include avoid any event that eventually will use this rule.
Coincidentally, it's already a fuss to move my army and our club has a big selection of terrain.

On the other hand: it's been some time that I wanted to create an Evangelion-style building as an hangar for my Cerastus... And now I'll probably scratch build it
   
Made in gb
Regular Dakkanaut




We already got the fortifications detachments right? I just see it as a way to make more appealing to bring fortifications like stuff on the list.

If they only made it optional then I would think that is a good thing.

Especially for some armies, it would make total sense to bring some own terrain in their list (e.g. imperial fist, necrons, astra militarum, ...)
   
Made in gb
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




psipso wrote:
We already got the fortifications detachments right? I just see it as a way to make more appealing to bring fortifications like stuff on the list.

If they only made it optional then I would think that is a good thing.

Especially for some armies, it would make total sense to bring some own terrain in their list (e.g. imperial fist, necrons, astra militarum, ...)


Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!

Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. 
   
Made in de
Waaagh! Ork Warboss on Warbike






AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!


Wait, you guys don't do that?

Spoiler:

Earth is not flat
Vaccines work
We've been to the moon
Climate change is real
Chemtrails aren't a thing
Evolution is a fact
Orks are not a melee army
Stand up for science!
 
   
Made in ch
Warped Arch Heretic of Chaos





 Jidmah wrote:
AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Never invade a hostile alien planet without bringing your portable broken down garage with you!


Wait, you guys don't do that?

Spoiler:


no, most orks also leave this "junk" at home aswell, because it is just that worthless

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
Made in de
Waaagh! Ork Warboss on Warbike






Hey, it does have a worth now - it provides light cover and you get one free kustom job. Totally worth 80 points.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/29 09:40:20


Earth is not flat
Vaccines work
We've been to the moon
Climate change is real
Chemtrails aren't a thing
Evolution is a fact
Orks are not a melee army
Stand up for science!
 
   
Made in gb
Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot



Wrexham, North Wales

 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are

Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.


The poor fools. Don't they know? Don't they understand?. Someone needs to tell them to stop.
   
Made in ch
Warped Arch Heretic of Chaos





 Jidmah wrote:
Hey, it does have a worth now - it provides light cover and you get one free kustom job. Totally worth 80 points.


i'd rather take those 80 pts in any other form available in the codex, heck'd rather pay 80pts for what is left of a stompa then that THING


Automatically Appended Next Post:
MarkNorfolk wrote:
 Aaranis wrote:
I don't know, reading FB there's a lot of people that like this release. The real world is not as bitter as we are

Though there's a fair amount of people disappointed that it's going to be playable in Matched/Competitive, and that it's Imperium terrain AGAIN. But I wouldn't be so sure about the flop you hope for. Never forget the silent majority who don't read forums and just buy things they like because they think it's cool at first glance.


The poor fools. Don't they know? Don't they understand?. Someone needs to tell them to stop.


All is well, stop questioning just consooomee.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2020/09/29 13:29:27


https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
Made in fi
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Karol wrote:
How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.


Uuh seriously? On what grounds police arrests you on your own private property?

Spoiler:


Poor picture but anyway that's garage. Not all have all space taken by cars and anyway you can temporarily move car away and lift table in if that's needed anyway.

12 factions for Lord of The Rings
4663
11772 pts(along with lots of unpainted unsorted stuff)
5265 pts
5150 pts
~3200 pts Knights

 
   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut




Oh, okey private garages are something only for the very very rich here. Everyone else has to use the public ones or the ones that belong to the whole housing community, and you can imagine that people are generaly not okey for others to be close to their cars for longer time. Specialy when it is not related to cars.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
Made in gb
Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




Karol wrote:
Oh, okey private garages are something only for the very very rich here. Everyone else has to use the public ones or the ones that belong to the whole housing community, and you can imagine that people are generaly not okey for others to be close to their cars for longer time. Specialy when it is not related to cars.



Today I learned a new thing about the world.

Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. 
   
Made in gb
Waaagh! Ork Warboss on Warbike






Outside of large cities garages are a normal thing, even in Poland, Karol.

Earth is not flat
Vaccines work
We've been to the moon
Climate change is real
Chemtrails aren't a thing
Evolution is a fact
Orks are not a melee army
Stand up for science!
 
   
Made in ch
Warped Arch Heretic of Chaos





 Jidmah wrote:
Outside of large cities garages are a normal thing, even in Poland, Karol.


Depends a lot on where Jid, especially the eastern part is, shall i say, underdevelopped.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
Made in gb
Assassin with Black Lotus Poison





Bristol

 KRakarth wrote:
Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.


Nah, it's warm garbage which was originally cold yet has sat in the bin for so long that nature has got fed up and started the composting process in your kitchen.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Karol wrote:
How do you play in a garage? Wouldn't the owner just send police after you, I mean that is what happens here if someone tries to skateboard or sit around in a garage here.
They mean a one-vehicle garage at a home, not a commercial garage.
Of course now we have a new challenge to explore:

Public "rogue" 40k games.



This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/09/30 11:41:33


The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.

Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
 
   
Made in ca
Mysterious Techpriest






Not Online!!! wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Outside of large cities garages are a normal thing, even in Poland, Karol.


Depends a lot on where Jid, especially the eastern part is, shall i say, underdevelopped.


Half my family is on the eastern part and i've visited quite many cities/villages.

Garages are a thing unless you live in a big apartment complex.

And no, having a house doesn't mean you're rich.

Admech 5000
Drukhari 4000
2500
500
Imperial knights 1200

 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K General Discussion
Go to: