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I would prefer that GW do the basic well before adding more to the brushfire that has become of 40k... what happened to eldar? Imp guard? After GW has the basics done well, then maybe branching out then would make sense. Otherwise it is “ignore the mess over there, but look at the shiny new mess here!”

What happened to Eldar? They were squatted.

I am in the camp of not adding anything new and completing what we have. I mean someone above mentioned how long they waited for the updated Sisters dex and for some IG stuff, and that's at least in part due to the fact that they can't really manage the factions they already have, so adding new ones kind of makes me nervous.

That said, in the spirit of the thread, if I HAD to add one - it would be something almost everyone can use. A sort of "Mercenaries and Rogues" type of book where you have characters and units that can be added to your army without breaking any of its unique rules. You could put some Zoats in there, maybe some different Kroot units, some cool bounty hunters, etc etc.

In this way you could potentially benefit everyone without creating a huge, difficult to maintain faction.

Completely new faction. Splitting them out etc is just laziness.

I’d like a return of the old ones - eg, space dinosaurs. Preferably space dinosaurs with glasses because, you know, glasses make you look smarter.

Sumilidon wrote:
Completely new faction. Splitting them out etc is just laziness.

I’d like a return of the old ones - eg, space dinosaurs. Preferably space dinosaurs with glasses because, you know, glasses make you look smarter.

Well, only the frogs and little lizards were smart out of them. The big brutes, though, not so much.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:
Of course while demanding equality and justice they'd brutally oppress snotlings...

Angry twice within 10 days. Who knew that was would possible. But anyways. I would want a subfaction for all the GK brotherhoods. Termintor purfires, Or the Librarian army from the 4th brotherhood or a ghost army of GrandMaster Mordrak. Would be nice to see the rules for all of those.
Maybe ven a Titan Forge army where every model is mounted in nemezis suit.

I feel like you would need a couple new kits at the very least to entertain the idea of expanding the GK groups. And why are you angry?

Nah just an upgrade kit to put a braziar instead of the regular banners on the terminators and power armoured dudes. Again this is wish thinking of course. The chance of GW making new GK models in power armoured, which are not some limited edition character, are as close to zero as it gets.


And I got angry, because I don't like the idea of communism being seen as something funny. Specialy not durning the months were my people were herded in to cow wagons and send of to die in Siberian gulags, which they had to build first. Personal thing, I doubt many would share, unless their family history has something similar in it. It is probably a similiar thing if a jewish person sees an ork storm boy in a mock SS or wehrmacht uniform, and their opponent claim that it makes the orks look funny. I get the lore in both cases, but I do not like it one bit.

erm, you are aware of what satire is, right?

And irony.

Not Online!!! wrote:
erm, you are aware of what satire is, right?

And irony.

Do you want me to PM you the stories about my family what happened to them in 1939, because I think if I did it here I would be breaking the forum rules ? I have as much understanding for red army looking stuff as satire, as someone who is Tutsi and get presented with Hutu humour. I don't expect for others to feel the same, but those are my feelings. And as I said, I was suprised I got angry looking at the model, because in general I can't get angry.

There's no political commentary on anything in 40k. It's full of this sort of satire, the entire setting focuses on an oppressive regime as the Goodies.
I'm not sure if your reference to Stormboys was deliberate, but one of the models on the kit is a call back to a Luftwaffe pilot.

I saw stormboy models, from older editions I think who wore german uniforms and stahlhelmets. I wouldn't bring up Luffwaffe as a good example of satire either. My great great grandfather lost 2 sons, and their wifes and their 7 children durning the bombings of warsaw on the 3ed of september, and then my family lost another two family members durning the bombings durning the Uprising. My great grandfather from my mothers side had his entire village burned to the ground, and his brother who was 7 at the time got hurt in the arm so bad, that it had to be amputed.
I have zero amounts of understanding of what is funny about either the nazi germany or soviet russia. all I know it that it makes me angry, it also makes me angry to think that others think that it could be something funny. But I do understand that maybe it is a personal thing, and that someone whose families body count does not go in to the tens of people may have a different perception of the whole thing.

In fact I think I get a lot more offended by people making it seem funny, then historical.

a Stuka is just a warplane, making a funny politruk implies that there is something to be fun about them, which I really don't see.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
There's no political commentary on anything in 40k. It's full of this sort of satire, the entire setting focuses on an oppressive regime as the Goodies.
I'm not sure if your reference to Stormboys was deliberate, but one of the models on the kit is a call back to a Luftwaffe pilot.

i think he means the really oldschool metal storm boyz with the corresponding insigniia.

Karol wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
erm, you are aware of what satire is, right?

And irony.

Do you want me to PM you the stories about my family what happened to them in 1939, because I think if I did it here I would be breaking the forum rules ? I have as much understanding for red army looking stuff as satire, as someone who is Tutsi and get presented with Hutu humour. I don't expect for others to feel the same, but those are my feelings. And as I said, I was suprised I got angry looking at the model, because in general I can't get angry.

which is fine i know what happened. Enough to know that for some people affected it wouldn't be funny, however i also feel that the best way to combat these issues is to satirise them. Because in these cases satire shows the true face of the corresponding ideology.

Hence why satirising f.e. the grot revolution to lead to a socialisct utopia and equality is inherently funny as it corresponds with the inherent totalitarian repression and inequality between those of the party and those not of the party and even more about the repression of differing cultures, which just get destroyed compared to the supposedly achieved equality..
it also links them to beeing viscious afraid little paranoid gaks, which grots are and shows their true nature, aka beeing a bunch of hypocrits.

it's the same for the old stormboyz, being nothing more then a bunch of violence loving morons, so stupid they'd shoot themselves suicidally at the enemy with rockets. Which is an apt description of the rank and file morons of the corresponding ideology, a violence craving mob with about 2 braincells to share between each of them far to afraid to make their own decision and constantly needing do as told.

This is why oldschool 40k with the blunt on the nose satire was probably one of the best things to combat these ideologies, and why i think they severly lost that for the "matureity" which then lead to the influx of those that believe this to be an utopia, especially in regards to the IoM.

besides 40k satireizes all that gak already. I mean the whole imperial guard comissars blamming people for example..

BrianDavion wrote:
besides 40k satireizes all that gak already

Did.
that's the issue. Atleast i percieve it to be one, that it nowadays often fails to achieve it or avoids it like the plague for the "majurity" of the setting.

None. Get all of the remaining pre-2000 models updated, get not-marine factions their rules updates, get a sense of relative balance then we can talk about fleshing out a new faction.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

Exodite planets are invaded all the time - biel tan set itself up as galactic exodite protection force because of this perpetual threat.

Also, the Phoenix Rising awakening book had the dragon knights march into the web way to fight alongside their brethren to pay back the protection they'd been afforded.

Hence why I said that they would make a good deal of sense as options in the Craftworld book. Exodites, much like Kroot and the Inquisition, are less "standing army of their own" and more "allied auxiliaries".

And if GW can pull CUSTODES fighting as an army, then nothing else holds water. Not only should they be restricted to planetside, they're only restricted to ONE planet. a planet they were originally sworn to never leave.

How convenient that GW can just wave their hand and the emperor's personal bodyguards can leave the imperial palace, but an exodite king deciding he wants to invade other planets and build an empire is just too much....

Find me where I said I was okay with Custodes as an army. I can wait.

Anyways, Custodes have access to their own ships. And they have the backing of a Primarch.

An Exodite king is, at best, a backwater warlord. If you want to argue that Exodites should be represented in the Craftworlds book? I'll back you 100% on that.

I'm also of the opinion that Planetary Defence Forces should be available as a choice in the Guard book, with 'officers' available as part of an advisory cadre letting Guard units get held back in reserve and artillery positions/defenses as part of what they bring to the table.

Your opinion on whether custodes SHOULD be an army is irrelevant, because GW does and has done so. So the precedent for very narrow justification is there. I'm not trying to justify them. In your paradigm but in GWs.


And i don't know where you get this idea that exodites are backwater. They control their entire planet and have access to the webway. They are where the Eldar knight clans come from and were a force in EPIC. They choose to live this way.


An exodite planet is like a less mobile craftworld, but bigger. They have their own army and auxillary, they have knights, they have tanks.


They are less of a support force than the pdf are.

 Hellebore wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

Exodite planets are invaded all the time - biel tan set itself up as galactic exodite protection force because of this perpetual threat.

Also, the Phoenix Rising awakening book had the dragon knights march into the web way to fight alongside their brethren to pay back the protection they'd been afforded.

Hence why I said that they would make a good deal of sense as options in the Craftworld book. Exodites, much like Kroot and the Inquisition, are less "standing army of their own" and more "allied auxiliaries".

And if GW can pull CUSTODES fighting as an army, then nothing else holds water. Not only should they be restricted to planetside, they're only restricted to ONE planet. a planet they were originally sworn to never leave.

How convenient that GW can just wave their hand and the emperor's personal bodyguards can leave the imperial palace, but an exodite king deciding he wants to invade other planets and build an empire is just too much....

Find me where I said I was okay with Custodes as an army. I can wait.

Anyways, Custodes have access to their own ships. And they have the backing of a Primarch.

An Exodite king is, at best, a backwater warlord. If you want to argue that Exodites should be represented in the Craftworlds book? I'll back you 100% on that.

I'm also of the opinion that Planetary Defence Forces should be available as a choice in the Guard book, with 'officers' available as part of an advisory cadre letting Guard units get held back in reserve and artillery positions/defenses as part of what they bring to the table.

Your opinion on whether custodes SHOULD be an army is irrelevant, because GW does and has done so. So the precedent for very narrow justification is there. I'm not trying to justify them. In your paradigm but in GWs.


And i don't know where you get this idea that exodites are backwater. They control their entire planet and have access to the webway. They are where the Eldar knight clans come from and were a force in EPIC. They choose to live this way.


An exodite planet is like a less mobile craftworld, but bigger. They have their own army and auxillary, they have knights, they have tanks.


They are less of a support force than the pdf are.

the point he's making is that custodes have the option to deploy on multiple worlds, exodites don't not really given their fluff.

Also that I don't think Custodes should be an army either.

If you want to argue for Exodites to be an Eldar 'Knight' equivalent army, then go for it. But don't grouse if you do not get any infantry.

If GW updated the guardian kit and some more aspects then they could certainly do Exodites as larger models that splice in core craftworld infantry.

That said I'd not say a Knight equivalent would be my thought. In my view they'd almost be like a Slaanesh Seeker army or an Imperial tank army.

That is few infantry, but a larger portion of medium to large models -which gives them room to have lots of cavalry mounts of various sizes and then various heavier weapons mounted on larger beasts of war.

Heck they could even have some smaller warbeasts with a beast handler much like Dark Eldar have - only without the whip and torture side to it.




I'd certainly thing that Exodites would want to maximise the beast and mount based content as that's a huge central theme for them. It sets them apart from the rest of Eldar and from most other factions in the game (the only one that gets close are Kroot)

TBH I'd rather not have Elven beast riders come to 40k. There's enough of that in AoS.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
TBH I'd rather not have Elven beast riders come to 40k. There's enough of that in AoS.

How can you say no to dinosaurs and lasers?

ScarVet101 wrote:

What would you chose and why?

An actual bug race. Tyranids don't really reflect bugs much other than a swarm. They generally have more lizard like heads than insectoids.

But in all honesty what I would like to see is a collector esque race from Mass Effect.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Tau don't really accept Mercenaries though, rather they accept other reasons into the Greater Good.
I can't see Orks or Eldar folding in like that.

Depends on the subfaction of the Tau. The Farsight Enclaves take in mercs on the regular, even some which you might not expect such as CSM and Orks.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Ok, i would do something really unique.

I'd bring back the slann/old ones as a new army with very few actual models for it, rather they could mind control human ork and eldar forces as their troops since they created those races.

I could see the slann as huge big brained space toads floating on psychic thrones, but to be honest i wouldn't mind seeing them revamped thusly:

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/013/849/875/large/josh-guglielmo-ageoftheatom-com-crawling-eye.jpg?154137035

That looks an awful lot like an Enslaver, which are already a thing in 40k background.

Thr whole point of the Farsight Enclaves is that they're not part of the Tau anymore and do things very differently.

I would not mind seeing something like the old dogs of war from fantasy for 40K. Just a good ol' mix of units from every faction. think it might be fun.

dabogmu wrote:
I would not mind seeing something like the old dogs of war from fantasy for 40K. Just a good ol' mix of units from every faction. think it might be fun.

Hmm, a random bunch of Kill Teams that could be Rogue Marines to a renegade GSC. I like it. Makes more sense than Death Watch as an actual army, imo.

So taking in what people have said I think we can currently sum things up as follows.

Yes we all want the current factions to to be updated first, but this is a wish list thread.

Kroot and possible Vespid to get there own dex but with current units to stay as options in the main box.

The Ynnari could be expanding to take on the Corsairs role, possibly with Exodites as an extra unit or two.

and as a fun maga wish list - a full Grots army

I know there have been some others but hopefully I've picked up the main recurring ones.

With Chaos, I think we've seen hits at things like traitor Guard/Dark Mechanicus making an appearance at some point which, along with the EC & WE we might be along way off a Non human chaos faction, but that would be a great alterative going forward.

Any further thoughts?

Not Online!!! 795425 11035420 wrote:
which is fine i know what happened. Enough to know that for some people affected it wouldn't be funny, however i also feel that the best way to combat these issues is to satirise them. Because in these cases satire shows the true face of the corresponding ideology.

I assume that creators of the game may have had different views on things, being not much effected by WWII or communism in action. For me a grot commisar leading an socialist grot revolution to be funny requires me to, first turn of my memory regarding my families history and then to make a big assumption that there is anything remotely funny soviet implementation of communism. I can not do either of things. And I get angry, because people seem to be okey with this, but get seriously mad about real fur on GW models or about lift differences between male and female IG soldiers.

Karol wrote:

Not Online!!! 795425 11035420 wrote:
which is fine i know what happened. Enough to know that for some people affected it wouldn't be funny, however i also feel that the best way to combat these issues is to satirise them. Because in these cases satire shows the true face of the corresponding ideology.

I assume that creators of the game may have had different views on things, being not much effected by WWII or communism in action. For me a grot commisar leading an socialist grot revolution to be funny requires me to, first turn of my memory regarding my families history and then to make a big assumption that there is anything remotely funny soviet implementation of communism. I can not do either of things. And I get angry, because people seem to be okey with this, but get seriously mad about real fur on GW models or about lift differences between male and female IG soldiers.

Karol no one sane gets upset about fur modeled on GW models. (and yes I know PETA has complained about it I repeat "NO ONE SANE")

Karol wrote:

Not Online!!! 795425 11035420 wrote:
which is fine i know what happened. Enough to know that for some people affected it wouldn't be funny, however i also feel that the best way to combat these issues is to satirise them. Because in these cases satire shows the true face of the corresponding ideology.

I assume that creators of the game may have had different views on things, being not much effected by WWII or communism in action. For me a grot commisar leading an socialist grot revolution to be funny requires me to, first turn of my memory regarding my families history and then to make a big assumption that there is anything remotely funny soviet implementation of communism. I can not do either of things. And I get angry, because people seem to be okey with this, but get seriously mad about real fur on GW models or about lift differences between male and female IG soldiers.

Different people get angry at different things. For you it's Soviet Communism or Nazism (not unreasonable) for me maybe it's colonialism and in particular British Colonialism (I'm Irish) for someone else it's depictions of non-binary gender as monstrous in a Slaanesh army, for someone else it's how Savage Orcs are potrayed and for another person it's Orientalism in how the Tau are presented.

No need to really worry about what anyone else gets annoyed by. Everyone's got their own family history, foibles and things that just get to them. No need to compare between all these things and decide that this thing is valid and this other thing is invalid or whatever. But hey, it's an emotional reaction so no argument can talk you out of it, just maybe something to reflect on when getting annoyed at other people. I find it helps me.

Guys, there is no nation on earth that is innocent. Irish slave raids on England & Wales in the Dark Ages, and their 18th century slave trade. Polish slave raiding in the Medieval period and the violence against minorities today? The English invented the concentration camp in S. Africa, and have a very short list of countries they have not invaded. People do bad things, given the chance. Try not to let it happen.

Little toy soldiers should not be blown out of proportion :-)

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:

Your opinion on whether custodes SHOULD be an army is irrelevant, because GW does and has done so. So the precedent for very narrow justification is there. I'm not trying to justify them. In your paradigm but in GWs.


And i don't know where you get this idea that exodites are backwater. They control their entire planet and have access to the webway. They are where the Eldar knight clans come from and were a force in EPIC. They choose to live this way.


An exodite planet is like a less mobile craftworld, but bigger. They have their own army and auxillary, they have knights, they have tanks.


They are less of a support force than the pdf are.

the point he's making is that custodes have the option to deploy on multiple worlds, exodites don't not really given their fluff.

And Hellebore is pointing out that exodites have always had webway access and armies since their creation. Getting small scale (non-craftworld) attack ships and transports isn't even a problem. Exodites have no problem at all deploying on multiple worlds, and have done so already in GW games.

Moriarty wrote:
Guys, there is no nation on earth that is innocent. Irish slave raids on England & Wales in the Dark Ages, and their 18th century slave trade. Polish slave raiding in the Medieval period and the violence against minorities today? The English invented the concentration camp in S. Africa, and have a very short list of countries they have not invaded. People do bad things, given the chance. Try not to let it happen.

Little toy soldiers should not be blown out of proportion :-)

Yeah, that is the point of my post. It wasn't an attack on the English. If I wanted to pick the worst crime of Ireland I would go a lot closer to the present day with the treatment of women and "illegitimate" children or other people who didn't fit in "Holy Catholic Ireland" in the various institutions and so on.