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1. include the full unit datasheets in the model boxes or free online like AoS but for 40k, still have stuff like WL Traits/Army rules/stratagems in the codexes. allows you to see exactly what you are buying.
2. drop the cost of codexes a little. it is expensive to buy into new factions.
3. decent models in the range at a decent price, although some of those vampires are looking real nice anyways.
4. have longer editions, maybe 5-6 years of rules - I have barely gotten chance to play with 9th 40k for instance (I know we are not due yet, but if the pattern keeps up that is around 1/4 of the edition I have not played).
5. stop putting army rules in compilations - stuff like the campaign book of rust etc. I will use what 3? 4? pages for my AdMech, the rest of the book is useless to me.

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I told my sisters that if they wanted to get into tabletop wargaming I was going to take them somewhere besides 40k. Whatever is trending near me really... but they expressed a slight interest.

If I would get them into this hobby and collecting armies, I would want to see GW do a better job of balancing the rules, updating factions (the model releases for orks that were teased is a welcome sight). As a personal preference I would also like to see them chill on the no models no rules and decisions that models and wargear that require converting are not supported by the rules... for someone starting a new army that doesn’t hurt as much but for someone with an army collected and built its sort of a slap in the face and I have no interest supporting the company or leading others to it; to me I feel like it’s setting them up for the same unpleasant experiences and frustrations that I endured.

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I mean, this weeks preview got me to already prepare to buy three new armies, when I was only planning on one.

I've been waiting for Soulblight since announcement. Then I saw Kragnos and thought, well there is a second model I'm going to have to pick up, because wowzers on that design. A++. I figured it would end there, only to see that we're getting a brand new destruction faction, ontop of the most amazing looking Stormcast I've seen thus far. I adore destruction, it's my main faction and I need another Order faction to round out what I currently have (Overlords, Lumineth, Idoneth)

So, I guess for my answer it's to bring out models that appeal to me, which they've been doing. A lot.

On the flipside, I've all but lost total interest in 40k and its dull, uninspired model line. Nothing there jumps out at me. Everything is chained to that silly story. I think 40K needs an End Times and a full IP restart, personally. That might make me care about it again.

I love AT though, really excited to add a Warmaster to my maniple group, and I'm excited to see what comes next. Sadly, the new AI stuff only made me think of Terrain possibility's, wish that game was better.

   
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@Togusa, i don't think the 40k players want a reset ala endtimes, even though i have a feeling the whole primaris schtick and the primarch showing up were atleast initially intended to be that way, but WHFB and the lackluster initial AoS launch put them off that idea.

The issues i see with 40k right now is a combination of:

Clear overfavoured factions in terms of releases. A dual issue for one because other factions get less at the cost of that over favoured one and for two players of that overfavoured one feel just simply ovwerwhelmed.

A lackluster and corporatised rulesrelease scheme, including day one dlc, that already broke the game... Yup 8th started better with the indexes to level the playing field. But 8th also was supposedly the last ever ruleset and a living one... Turns out GW likes reccurent spending and monetisation of their playerbase.

Severly outdated models for a lot of factions.... Drinking age cadians and nevermind Eldar sculpts...

Pricing, this partially ties into the rules scheme i pointed out above, but even beyond the codices which are overpriced and in some case have a lifespan less than a year (looking at the SoB dex) armies and units like Tempestus scions or cadians just put people off playing that would want to play medium to light infantry heavy forces simply due to affordability issues, nvm charachters being overprices as hell.

Factions insecurity, aka you may never know if something just gets outright deleted, charachter options or whole armies.

Lackluster starting boxes. I remember a time were a starter box included alot more for less money asked.
Heck the old CSM box had a rhino, 15 csm, 8 khorneberzerks, 5 possessed...
Or 20 guardsmen a sentinel and a leman russ and a squad of heavy weapons.

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Not Online!!! wrote:

Pricing, this partially ties into the rules scheme i pointed out above, but even beyond the codices which are overpriced and in some case have a lifespan less than a year (looking at the SoB dex)


Why are you looking like that at the SoB dex? It came out Nov/Dec of 2019. Here we are in May of 2021 & it'll likely be June give or take before the 9th ed one arrives.
That's 19 months. Wich, last time I checked, is more than a year.
   
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ccs wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:

Pricing, this partially ties into the rules scheme i pointed out above, but even beyond the codices which are overpriced and in some case have a lifespan less than a year (looking at the SoB dex)


Why are you looking like that at the SoB dex? It came out Nov/Dec of 2019. Here we are in May of 2021 & it'll likely be June give or take before the 9th ed one arrives.
That's 19 months. Wich, last time I checked, is more than a year.


Still too short a lifespan imo. Then again GW's edition now have entered a 3 year cylce, so you play half a edition with outdated rules and the other half you maybee have propper rules.

Except if you are marines than you are already waiting on dex 2 by half the edition and have an outlook torwards supplements.
Respectively will get milked that way, because that is what this is.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Pre-painted models.


This. I'm almost done painting my DG troops, feth me if I ever force myself to paint that many models again.

It's now my time to insult and belittle people without fully painted armies because I only need to paint the hand full of models they release for my army every couple years.

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As a hardcore DE player, give me new units. I don't need to buy a new army i have enough of those ut if I had a new unit or 6+ like Orks, Necrons, Marines, Sisters, etc.... I would have bought 10+ new kits, DE has not gotten a new unit in 11yrs.

Note, i mean an actually New unit not a new sculpt, i have 25 metal/finecast incubi, i have 15 metal mandrakes, i have 3rd and 5th Lelith, i have all this stuff b.c there has been nothing new for 11 FREAKING YEARS, actually I've had stuff REMOVED.

The only new 40k army I'll get would be an Abhuman Beastmen army and that will never happen.

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if we remove the normal complains from the picture..

- Abandon physical codexes, they are not valid for a few weeks at moust due to typos or glaring balance issues.
- Pre assembled and primed models, ala Dust1947, can only speak for myself, but the hobby aspect is becoming a bigger negative issue the older i get, to the point where i basicly only fully commit to games with prepainted or primed models, aka SW x-wing and armada, Wings of Glory, Oak and iron, Dust1947 and WH Underworlds.



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 Amishprn86 wrote:
As a hardcore DE player, give me new units. I don't need to buy a new army i have enough of those ut if I had a new unit or 6+ like Orks, Necrons, Marines, Sisters, etc.... I would have bought 10+ new kits, DE has not gotten a new unit in 11yrs.

Note, i mean an actually New unit not a new sculpt, i have 25 metal/finecast incubi, i have 15 metal mandrakes, i have 3rd and 5th Lelith, i have all this stuff b.c there has been nothing new for 11 FREAKING YEARS, actually I've had stuff REMOVED.

The only new 40k army I'll get would be an Abhuman Beastmen army and that will never happen.


Didn't you just get 2 new characters and a melee unit, and all three are actually useful?

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Replacements, not entirely new units.

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Togusa wrote:

On the flipside, I've all but lost total interest in 40k and its dull, uninspired model line. Nothing there jumps out at me. Everything is chained to that silly story. I think 40K needs an End Times and a full IP restart, personally. That might make me care about it again.


Oh God, no. It's already bad enough that absolutely everything in 40k seems to revolve around the leaders of every race, we don't need some massive reset so GW can introduce more impossible to transport, overpriced "centrepiece" models. I'm not sure why you think an End Times reset would improve the silly story aspect of things. If anything they need to move away from this ongoing story approach and back to making 40k a setting.

Take Belakor, for example. That was a really cool Daemon Prince model when he first came out. It was distinctive and identifiable as a special character compared to the more generic DP models and had a few cool rules to set him apart. Now he's some huge centrepiece with a scenic base and enough special rules to fill a small tome and he's much worse for it IMO. The very first thing GW said when they revealed him was how he was so much bigger! I don't understand why that's a good thing. Same with the Silent King (who we really didn't need a model for anyway). What's wrong with making a box set of the King plus his two Triarchs and having them as a unit on foot? They can still stand out (and no, not by being on a stupid piece of Necron scenery to elevate them 3" off the base) while actually fitting in an army case. You can highlight the technological superiority of the Necrons by having these three infantry dudes packing enough firepower to lay waste to the lesser races without having to carry around a mini-Monolith to do so.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Replacements, not entirely new units.


I think this is me hiting the language barrier. I really did not new there is a possibility for a new unit, to not be new. It is an interesting idea, to be honest.

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Karol wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Replacements, not entirely new units.


I think this is me hiting the language barrier. I really did not new there is a possibility for a new unit, to not be new. It is an interesting idea, to be honest.


The stuff Drukhari got recently were updated models for existing units. They didn't add anything new to the army.

The last thing that Drukhari got that was 'new' was the Voidraven in about 2015. And that was something that already had rules but never had a model till that point.
   
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Two words: Squats and new Orks!


Pretty sure that's four words...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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Crispy78 797854 11120549 wrote:

The stuff Drukhari got recently were updated models for existing units. They didn't add anything new to the army.

The last thing that Drukhari got that was 'new' was the Voidraven in about 2015. And that was something that already had rules but never had a model till that point.


From what I understand neither the incubi, nor the draz were ever used before. So even if those units did have models, they may as well have not existed.
And while hesperax does seem to be kind of a uninteresting, she is still a valid model to use a succubus and those are used in every DE list.

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Karol wrote:
Crispy78 797854 11120549 wrote:

The stuff Drukhari got recently were updated models for existing units. They didn't add anything new to the army.

The last thing that Drukhari got that was 'new' was the Voidraven in about 2015. And that was something that already had rules but never had a model till that point.


From what I understand neither the incubi, nor the draz were ever used before. So even if those units did have models, they may as well have not existed.
And while hesperax does seem to be kind of a uninteresting, she is still a valid model to use a succubus and those are used in every DE list.


They were still existing units in the codex, whether or not they were popular is another matter. And it was the change in rules that has made them more popular, not the change in models.

You understand what we're talking about when we talk about new units, don't you? Stuff that did not previously exist?
   
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Karol wrote:
Crispy78 797854 11120549 wrote:

The stuff Drukhari got recently were updated models for existing units. They didn't add anything new to the army.

The last thing that Drukhari got that was 'new' was the Voidraven in about 2015. And that was something that already had rules but never had a model till that point.


From what I understand neither the incubi, nor the draz were ever used before. So even if those units did have models, they may as well have not existed.
And while hesperax does seem to be kind of a uninteresting, she is still a valid model to use a succubus and those are used in every DE list.


I'm hard pressed to remember a game involving Dark Eldar that didn't include Incubi.

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Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Racerguy180 wrote:
Two words: Squats and new Orks!


Pretty sure that's four words...

Only if the GW goon squad is off their game and doesn't disappear you right after you use the word "Squats" in a sen
   
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More than an upgrade sprue added to a nearly 20 year old Guard Infantry Squad kit.

I was looking forward to truescale Guardsmen with more realistic proportions. I would have happily sold my old infantry on eBay and rebought everything.
   
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While I understand how prepainted models could be nice for those who game more than paint, I have to say I have the opposite stance to Jidmah and Mr Morden. Every army I've bought into has been because I wanted to paint the models. Never for the rules.

I agree wholeheartedly with Slipspace, the setting needs to be a setting, not an ongoing series of novels. I've always thought of my Dark Angels (for example) as being mine. None of my captains are those named in the lore. A long time ago it was understood that the named characters were from a particularly moment in the chapter's history, not necessarily current. Players were expected to come up with their own characters and only use the named ones on special occasions (opponent's consent).
This is why characters like Tycho and Macharius, to replay historic battles without getting in the way of players' agency.

If GW wants me to buy more Space Marines in particular, they're going to have to make sure they look like space marines to my eyes. Phobos, omnis and gravis all miss the mark. Tacticus hits the mark but not square on. Intercessors and their ilk need a little more of the old aesthetic, such as varied helmets and plastrons.
   
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Looks like the answer was squighog boys.

My first Ork unit is arriving in the post today. (Just a pack of grots; but more to follow if I enjoy painting them.)

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Zustiur wrote:
While I understand how prepainted models could be nice for those who game more than paint, I have to say I have the opposite stance to Jidmah and Mr Morden. Every army I've bought into has been because I wanted to paint the models. Never for the rules.

I agree wholeheartedly with Slipspace, the setting needs to be a setting, not an ongoing series of novels. I've always thought of my Dark Angels (for example) as being mine. None of my captains are those named in the lore. A long time ago it was understood that the named characters were from a particularly moment in the chapter's history, not necessarily current. Players were expected to come up with their own characters and only use the named ones on special occasions (opponent's consent).
This is why characters like Tycho and Macharius, to replay historic battles without getting in the way of players' agency.

If GW wants me to buy more Space Marines in particular, they're going to have to make sure they look like space marines to my eyes. Phobos, omnis and gravis all miss the mark. Tacticus hits the mark but not square on. Intercessors and their ilk need a little more of the old aesthetic, such as varied helmets and plastrons.


but pre painted models don't stop people from repainting them on their won.

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Cool models that I think are good value for money. That's all really!

   
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I have zero interest in re-painting prepainted minis.

If they want to make beginner models that are prepainted, fine. 90% of why I buy their stuff is painting the cool looking models to look like what I want.
   
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They can fix their atrocious ruleset.
   
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Hecaton wrote:
They can fix their atrocious ruleset.


And then replace it within a 2-3 year span while the fanboys lap it up and gleefully rebuy stuff they already have.




The fact hat EVERY post doesn't have something about price speaks volumes here, and the fact that people over in the WarhammerFest thread were almost gleeful at the thought of having their AOS and potentially 40K material invalidated within the next two years is endemic to the real problem behind GW: that they know no matter how bad they gak the bed there are a significant number of people who will feed their bottom line no matter what. Bleed players? Raise prices, whales make the difference. Also sets a precedent for who can actually afford the buy in.

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Karol wrote:
Zustiur wrote:
While I understand how prepainted models could be nice for those who game more than paint, I have to say I have the opposite stance to Jidmah and Mr Morden. Every army I've bought into has been because I wanted to paint the models. Never for the rules.

I agree wholeheartedly with Slipspace, the setting needs to be a setting, not an ongoing series of novels. I've always thought of my Dark Angels (for example) as being mine. None of my captains are those named in the lore. A long time ago it was understood that the named characters were from a particularly moment in the chapter's history, not necessarily current. Players were expected to come up with their own characters and only use the named ones on special occasions (opponent's consent).
This is why characters like Tycho and Macharius, to replay historic battles without getting in the way of players' agency.

If GW wants me to buy more Space Marines in particular, they're going to have to make sure they look like space marines to my eyes. Phobos, omnis and gravis all miss the mark. Tacticus hits the mark but not square on. Intercessors and their ilk need a little more of the old aesthetic, such as varied helmets and plastrons.


but pre painted models don't stop people from repainting them on their won.


Not worth the effort.

I have some miniatures that come pre-primed/assembled. They're covered in mold lines, by the time I've cleaned them up the primer is destroyed and needs to be re-primed anyway. Fully painted models would be even worse, and it can be difficult to clean or paint assembled models, depending on the sculpt.

I agree with everyone complaining about obnoxious centerpieces.

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Goose LeChance wrote:

I agree with everyone complaining about obnoxious centerpieces.


I like the obnoxious centerpieces...

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