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 Easy E wrote:
I see. Well, I do not have access to all of those so.......


Only way atm is get a VPN and go on Japanese Netflix. But yes, you missed tons if not years of in canon events that occurred.

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 Easy E wrote:
I see. Well, I do not have access to all of those so.......


In terms of relevant plot. 0079/Zeta/ZZ are all that is really required view before Chars Counterattack. Even ZZ is sort of skippable. Althrough the destruction of Haman's Neo-Zeon creates the power-Vaccum that Char fills in the movie.

The rest are all just nice OVA's that help to flesh out the universe 0083 is a nice prequel to Zeta. 0080 is a nice cap on 0079, etc. I too have pretty much taken the stance of "If I can't watch it legally I won't be watching it." when it comes to gundam recently.
   
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 Easy E wrote:
I finished Char's Counter-attack which also feels like a compilation. I feel like I missed something between Gundam III and Char's Counter-attack though.

Is the next one Victory Gundam?


Zeta Gundam and ZZ Gundam both happened, plus a mountain of side-story that isn't strictly necessary. I imagine though that without the two Zeta series, the significance of Axis and such is kind of bizarre/baffling. And I cannot confirm that all these series are on Youtube. Nope. Can. Not. Confirm. On. Youtube.

Char's Counter-Attack isn't abridged/a compilation, so much as the later 10 episodes or so of ZZ Gundam were changed/rewritten/cut up once the film was green lit, after the Tomino thought the film wouldn't happen and wrote the story to fit a TV series. Then the movie was green lit and some things from the TV version of the plot were clearly kept around even though they became something of a plot tumor that distracted from the actual plot (looking at you Quess, you sure have a lot of screen time in this movie supposedly about Amuro and Char's final showdown).

   
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Plus, Quess is an annoying stand in for Lalah. Lalah was MUCH better.

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I think Quess would have been tolerable in a full series that could spend an appropriate amount of time elaborating and developing her. In Char's Counterattack, she's an unwelcomed distraction from why everyone is really there who has a horribly disproportionate amount of screen time and plot weight for no appreciable reason except to make Char a much less developed character than he became by the end of Zeta Gundam.

It's why Gigi in Hathaway I think is more acceptable despite having a very similar personality to Quess. She isn't given the undue amount of screen time and what screen time she gets actually justifies her presence in the plot insofar as her presents gives opportunities for the two male leads to elaborate themselves to her, one another, and the audience.

Quess in comparison was a very unlikable girl who everyone decided to start competing over in the middle of a crisis for no apparent reason except that she has super powers (which most of the cast in the film also have, so what do they need her for?).

   
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 Easy E wrote:
I see. Well, I do not have access to all of those so.......


Funny i am pretty certain all those links i posted was access, all you need to do is make a free membership and start streaming.


I too have pretty much taken the stance of "If I can't watch it legally I won't be watching it." when it comes to gundam recently.




Sorry but that is just a silly position, maybe because when i started back in the 80s there was NO, NONE, ZERO ways to watch 99% of all anime legally short of ordering the laser discs/VHS tapes from japan(and i did quite a bit of that as well).

Also given the short print run of japanese media (it is available for 2 years after that you have to get it used) If i didn't have access to fan sites i would never have seen half of the shows i love.

I have not seen any US releases of the enemy is the pirate, or combustable campus guardress for example and it took from 1985 to 2010 to get the original dirty pair TV series released in the USA, .fortunately i didn't have to wait 25 years to see a fan sub.

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Char's Counterattack for ages was held up as one of the all time classics that everyone MUST watch, which unfortunately lead me to watching it essentially first and having absolutely no idea what was going on (but enjoying the giant robots all the same).
   
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It still is a classic of old school anime, but does require a knowledge of Gundam's Universal Century, which at the time was the only Century timeline, to understand it.


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It doesn't help that Char's Counter Attack was adapted from the High-Streamer novel but essentially cuts out the beginning and any background parts and immediately plunges you into the conflict without any exposition as to why Char and Amuro are bitter enemies once again.

Beltorchika's Children, the manga retelling, helps a little bit with that.

 Easy E wrote:
I see. Well, I do not have access to all of those so.......


If you don't want to rely on streaming Right Stuff Anime currently holds the US license for Gundam, the Zeta Gundam bluray is currently half off. It's a phenomenal show picking up about 8 years after the original Gundam. In terms of universe building it's the most important series right after the original MSG.

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 LunarSol wrote:
Char's Counterattack for ages was held up as one of the all time classics that everyone MUST watch, which unfortunately lead me to watching it essentially first and having absolutely no idea what was going on (but enjoying the giant robots all the same).


Honestly, I've never thought it was that good. I can see where it could have been good and for a moment it was; right before the ultra abrupt ending that explained nothing and offered no real resolution imo to Char and Amuro's rivalry.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Char's Counterattack for ages was held up as one of the all time classics that everyone MUST watch, which unfortunately lead me to watching it essentially first and having absolutely no idea what was going on (but enjoying the giant robots all the same).


Honestly, I've never thought it was that good. I can see where it could have been good and for a moment it was; right before the ultra abrupt ending that explained nothing and offered no real resolution imo to Char and Amuro's rivalry.


It did, they died

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Well technically died isn't quite right, Amuro "acended" to the higher level of "newtype" Consciousness with lalah as a few other characters in the series have done.



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Was that even in the movie? Heavily implied I suppose, but I remember it being pretty contentious until... Unicorn was it?
   
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Hard to say since Unicorn OVA has a different ending than Unicorn Novel. Unicorn OVA has the time-travel shenanigans with the Neo Zeong although Sunrise has waffled a bit on whether or not it was really time travel or just a Newtype hallucination. It's implied that after that scene Char's Soul also transcends to be with Lalah and Amuro.

Then you've got Hathaway's flash where we see a spectral image of Amuro speaking to Hathways. It's ambiguous as to whether that was actually a Newtype ghost moment or just Hathaway's recurring PTSD moments.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
Was that even in the movie? Heavily implied I suppose, but I remember it being pretty contentious until... Unicorn was it?


That's why I say the movie had no real resolution. The novelization of the film is a bit more complete and better than the film itself cause it addresses these issues, but the film just ends without wrapping anything up.

It just ends abruptly, explains nothing, and the final battle between Amuro and Char really felt like more of a middle battle than an actual final fight.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Was that even in the movie? Heavily implied I suppose, but I remember it being pretty contentious until... Unicorn was it?


That's why I say the movie had no real resolution. The novelization of the film is a bit more complete and better than the film itself cause it addresses these issues, but the film just ends without wrapping anything up.

It just ends abruptly, explains nothing, and the final battle between Amuro and Char really felt like more of a middle battle than an actual final fight.


I mean I feel like Char ejecting, Amuro grabbing the escape pod and then slamming it into the side of Axis was a decent victory both in the fight and ideologically for Amuro.
   
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My 0083 collection of rare and out of prodcution toys and figures is growing.



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While the Xamel looks a little out of place compared to other MS I love the role it fulfills. Strapping a giant artillery gun onto a Dom-esque hovering body is a really fun idea.

I'm surprised it didn't turn up for the Assault in Torrington in 0096, but I guess that would be rubbing salt into an old wound
   
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Well i think it may have been a little hard for that Xamel to be around in 0096 considering South Burning skewered it with a beam saber. i think the xamel likely suffered the same problem as many of the late war zeon units to many resources spent on a very few super units like all the mobile armors. while the feds focused on mass production cheep units.

There is a fine picture in the MS era 0099 art book (get a copy if you can find it, fantastic art set as war photographer collected photos) that shows a bunch of captured zeon mobile armors that were never used.




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I was referring to another Xamel unit, there was more than 1 produced and I think I recall seeing one in one of the manga side stories, perhaps LWC or Gundam Senki.

MS Era by Izubuchi right? I've seen a few images floating around, they look really nice.
   
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Slowly watching Iron Blooded Orphans which I am guessing is either out of cannon, or 300 years after the One Year War or something.

I am enjoying it a lot. The basic plot and story line would make for a really great RPG game.

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 Easy E wrote:
Slowly watching Iron Blooded Orphans which I am guessing is either out of cannon, or 300 years after the One Year War or something.

I am enjoying it a lot. The basic plot and story line would make for a really great RPG game.


ALT universe, has noting to do with the UC timeline just gundam name and troupes



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 Easy E wrote:
Slowly watching Iron Blooded Orphans which I am guessing is either out of cannon, or 300 years after the One Year War or something.

I am enjoying it a lot. The basic plot and story line would make for a really great RPG game.

In Gundam you have Universal Century (UC) and then you have Alternate Universes (AU) which star Gundams but with a completely different setting, this allows other creators to have a Gundam story with a completely different tone and premise. IBO is the most recent AU series and it's got a great setting. Here's a quick list of other AU series.

AU Series
G Gundam
Gundam Wing
Gundam X
Turn-A Gundam
Gundam Seed
Gundam 00
Gundam IBO
(Note: Gundam X is a What if? style UC story, Turn-A Gundam is also UC but takes place about 7000 years after the UC calender is dropped as I recall)

Gundam Wing, Gundam Seed and Gundam 00 are all available for free on Gundam Info youtube channel currently. https://www.youtube.com/user/GundamInfo

Wing was the first series to come to the U.S. and has a large fanbase, Seed is an Alternate Universe that matches up fairly closely with the original Gundam's plot but with several twists and far more character drama, Gundam 00 has a similar formula to Gundam Wing involving overpowered Gundams descending to Earth. Let me know if you'd like any more information or recommendation.
   
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 Easy E wrote:
Slowly watching Iron Blooded Orphans which I am guessing is either out of cannon, or 300 years after the One Year War or something.

I am enjoying it a lot. The basic plot and story line would make for a really great RPG game.


I really really love the Post Disaster setting. It's maybe the best settling they've come up with since Universal Century. There's a lot of really cool and clever little elements to it, but most of all I like the mystique. I won't spoil anything but I'm pretty damn hungry for more entries in this timeline.

It isn't related to the One Year War at all. The timelines are maybe the weirdest thing about the franchise. Most Gundam Series are not related chronologically. They're their own stand alone settings and stories, using the same basic package of tropes and motifs.

   
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I really really love the Post Disaster setting.

In that case

are any of these on your list

.appleseed

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.rakuen tsuiho

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.vypers creed

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.blue sub #6

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Gun parade march

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Rhea gall force



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For those of us with no real knowledge of Gundam, can anyone recommend a movie or short series as a good primer, so we can see if it tickles our pickles?

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For something that doesn't have as much behind it in terms of necessary backfill, 0083 Stardust Memory or 08th Mobile Suit Team are both good UC offerings that are short and work to provide a lot of the basic gundam feeling tropes, without going for the newtype stuff that the regular series in UC tend to.

Different timelines though usually have different tones and feel overall to them though. G Gundam for absolute ham, Iron Blooded Orphans for 'child soldiers are bad' 00 for 'mankind should be united for what's to come' and anything UC for 'war is hell, and nobody can understand each other'

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For those of us with no real knowledge of Gundam, can anyone recommend a movie or short series as a good primer, so we can see if it tickles our pickles?


How short?

Also do you want the original war story universe or one of the alt universe stories?

The origin series is the start/background, but that said, that is 6 one hour long movies. It is available on HULU though so it is very accessible

Thunderbolt is also a newer series of four 20 minute episodes but it is narrowly focused on one combat theater so it really doesn't give much background on the universe.


I might recommend this little CGI series circa 2008 of "side stories" from the one year war that kind of give a feel for the universe.

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3879/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_MS_IGLOO_2:_Juuryoku_Sensen.html

The streaming service is free, you just have to make a free account to keep out the bots becasue they have a forum

The setting is the god of war watching over the battlefields but the overall setting is well represented of the struggles of the normal soldiers in the war in 3 short 30 minute episodes

The first follows an anti-tank/mobile suit heavy weapons squad
The second focuses on a federal forces tank company as it fights mobile suits
The third an experimental gun tank unit that is basically turned into a penal battalion


P.S. i would not call 0083 or the 08th MS team (as much as i love them) short however both being 13 half hour+ OVAs clocking in at over 6 hours total each..

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For those of us with no real knowledge of Gundam, can anyone recommend a movie or short series as a good primer, so we can see if it tickles our pickles?


I will second MS Gundam 0083 if partly for sentimental reasons as it was my introduction to Gundam. Aside from being somewhat aged, it does assume some familiarity with the Gundam UC universe, but all and all is a pretty self contained story.

For a more recent somewhat standalone Gundam short series set in the UC universe, MS Gundam Thunderbolt. The first season is only 8 episodes but there is also a pretty decent compilation film titled December Sky. It has a great Jazz soundtrack to boot.

Also, might would consider MS Gundam: The Origin. I know this series has some mixed reviews from the Gundam faithful, but the fact that my uni aged daughter who could care less about Gundam was hooked on the show I think speaks of how well suited it is for a casual watchers or Gundam curious folks. It's also relatively short at 6 episodes.

All of these are not too hard to find on the internet.



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