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I also find Last Jedi whine really hilarious, as it was the most original SW movie since Empire Strikes Back (and probably the best, too, especially in art department) but since it dared to show realistic consequences of the war plus character development instead of usual pew pew bang bang solving everything it apparently is too original and creative for its own good


I actually liked the Last Jedi, the only complaints I had was Finn and Rose's side adventure. I think that could have been cut to save time, or improved. I also didn't really like the ship ramming scene, it just opens up too many questions in context with the universe. Why didn't they just do something like this with the Death Star? Why don't they weaponize it? Anything else is just a minor complaint, but I liked where they were going with the plot.

Back to the Predator though. I said previously that knocking off another 20 points would solve the issue. You can't really buff the Predator autocannon to match the Sisters one, as that's suppose to be a twin autocannon. Where as the Predator is stuck with one.

The Annihilator lascannons could probably go to D3+3 damage though, a vehicles lascannons should be able to draw more power from an engine/larger battery than a backpack.
   
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If we drop the Pred cost, what sort of ripple does that have to ALL the other battle tanks out there? The entire LR lineup to be fair, should cost about the same, if not way less than the Pred. If they drop the pred, might they also drop the cost of the Eldar vehicles, or the cost of SM Bikes? Do we really want to go back to the All Bike lists of 8th? What would that do to knights or Amigers, who pay a premium for that sort of firepower?

Finally, can we just stop clinging to the obviously replaced units of the olden days? Kriegs, Rough Riders, and now OldBoi Marine boats. Just do like Elsa and Let it go!
   
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Even if you accept the premise that loyalist oldmarine stuff should be swept aside, the predator chassis is still relevant for Chaos (and now Sisters, who just got the same vehicle with a different gun).
   
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If we drop the Pred cost, what sort of ripple does that have to ALL the other battle tanks out there? The entire LR lineup to be fair, should cost about the same, if not way less than the Pred. If they drop the pred, might they also drop the cost of the Eldar vehicles, or the cost of SM Bikes? Do we really want to go back to the All Bike lists of 8th? What would that do to knights or Amigers, who pay a premium for that sort of firepower?


Why? Why does anything need to change just because we have a 120 point Predator Destructor. The Onager Dunecrawler is 115 points with its Eradication beamer. A Thunderer is 120 points with its Demolisher cannon.

The issue is most vehicles are severely overcosted in terms of their firepower and/or durability. Nearly all the Guard vehicles, all the Tau vehicles (not the battlesuits, not sure about the aircraft either), most of the first-born vehicles either need buffs or their points reduced. The landraider 20 point cut was nice but didn't address the issues the landraider has.
   
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I don't think they're overcosted, they just need a boost in terms of durability. Last thing I want is something like Mek Gunz, which are good only because they're cheap. Too bad they're costing more dollars than points though, so even if they're good they're not that common. I won't accept 120 ppm full las predator just like I hate 40ppm Smasha gunz.

Full kitted predators should be ok at 170-180 points, and their offensive ability is already pretty high. A ravager isn't more killy but it's considered pretty good. It's too easy to wreck a predator and that's the thing that should be addressed, by either increasing its durability or nerfing those units that work as an alternative to the tank for doing the same job.

I can't accept that a 3 man squad of eradicators is more durable than a tank, has higher firepower, and it's also cheaper. Make them 65ppm and/or remove their double tapping ability for starters.


 
   
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Jarms48 wrote:
If we drop the Pred cost, what sort of ripple does that have to ALL the other battle tanks out there? The entire LR lineup to be fair, should cost about the same, if not way less than the Pred. If they drop the pred, might they also drop the cost of the Eldar vehicles, or the cost of SM Bikes? Do we really want to go back to the All Bike lists of 8th? What would that do to knights or Amigers, who pay a premium for that sort of firepower?


Why? Why does anything need to change just because we have a 120 point Predator Destructor. The Onager Dunecrawler is 115 points with its Eradication beamer. A Thunderer is 120 points with its Demolisher cannon.

The issue is most vehicles are severely overcosted in terms of their firepower and/or durability. Nearly all the Guard vehicles, all the Tau vehicles (not the battlesuits, not sure about the aircraft either), most of the first-born vehicles either need buffs or their points reduced. The landraider 20 point cut was nice but didn't address the issues the landraider has.


Because slap dash changes like this greatly upset the apple cart, and do more harm in the long run than they solve. What do we do with Dreadnaughts and Leviathans if tanks now cost the same as Dreads? Tanks are obsolete in 40k. Hardly anyone uses them. They bring lots of firepower, but can be easily shot off the table and for the cost it's better to just bring heavy elites or infantry.
   
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Does GW want you to play your old and shelved Predators?
I have five of them and could play three of them as Baal variants.
I guess GW wants you to buy the shiny tanks released recently.
Predators are just corpses in the new codex.
Nevertheless they would fit into an army with old Tacticals which were revised to have 2 wounds recently.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
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Jarms48 wrote:
If we drop the Pred cost, what sort of ripple does that have to ALL the other battle tanks out there? The entire LR lineup to be fair, should cost about the same, if not way less than the Pred. If they drop the pred, might they also drop the cost of the Eldar vehicles, or the cost of SM Bikes? Do we really want to go back to the All Bike lists of 8th? What would that do to knights or Amigers, who pay a premium for that sort of firepower?


Why? Why does anything need to change just because we have a 120 point Predator Destructor. The Onager Dunecrawler is 115 points with its Eradication beamer. A Thunderer is 120 points with its Demolisher cannon.

The issue is most vehicles are severely overcosted in terms of their firepower and/or durability. Nearly all the Guard vehicles, all the Tau vehicles (not the battlesuits, not sure about the aircraft either), most of the first-born vehicles either need buffs or their points reduced. The landraider 20 point cut was nice but didn't address the issues the landraider has.


Because slap dash changes like this greatly upset the apple cart, and do more harm in the long run than they solve. What do we do with Dreadnaughts and Leviathans if tanks now cost the same as Dreads? Tanks are obsolete in 40k. Hardly anyone uses them. They bring lots of firepower, but can be easily shot off the table and for the cost it's better to just bring heavy elites or infantry.

Jarms48 proposed dropping the price of Predators by 20 PPM. You play Custodes, right? Remind me, how much did those floating Not-a-Sicarans you guys have drop in the latest CA?
   
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 wuestenfux wrote:
I guess GW wants you to buy the shiny tanks released recently.
Whilst yes, they do, they're just as bad.

It's not a Predator problem. It's a vehicle/monster problem.

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 Blackie wrote:
I don't think they're overcosted, they just need a boost in terms of durability. Last thing I want is something like Mek Gunz, which are good only because they're cheap. Too bad they're costing more dollars than points though, so even if they're good they're not that common. I won't accept 120 ppm full las predator just like I hate 40ppm Smasha gunz.


A full las predator would be 150 points. Not sure where you're getting 120 for that. You have to pay for sponsons.
   
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Jarms48 wrote:
 Blackie wrote:
I don't think they're overcosted, they just need a boost in terms of durability. Last thing I want is something like Mek Gunz, which are good only because they're cheap. Too bad they're costing more dollars than points though, so even if they're good they're not that common. I won't accept 120 ppm full las predator just like I hate 40ppm Smasha gunz.


A full las predator would be 150 points. Not sure where you're getting 120 for that. You have to pay for sponsons.


Full las I mean a predator with 4 lascannons. If you want just two take a razorback, which is just 120, it's not a waste of a heavy support slot, and has the same chassis.


 
   
 
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