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DaPino wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
RUMORS from the box.

Grey Knights gain a second wound (obviously), but the base Strike Squad guy now has 3 attacks base. Swords are now the same as Master Crafted Power Swords. Halberds are S+2, Ap-2, D2. Incinerators are range 12, Heavy D6, St6, Ap-1, D1. Psylancer is Range 24, Heavy 6, St4, ap-1. Psycannons are only 3 shots now, St7, Ap-1, D2

So basically:

Strike squads 2 wounds 3 attacks each (4 for sarg)

Incinerator: 12" Heavy D6 6 -1 1 (more range basically)
Psilencer: Heavy 6 S4 -1 1 (Gained 1 AP, no d3 dmg)
Psycannon: Heavy 3 S7 -1 2 (lost a shot gained a dmg)
Daemon Hammer: x2 -2 3 (lost 1 AP)
Falchions: U -2 1 (lost d3 dmg, auch!)
Halberds: +2 -2 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)
Sword: +1 -3 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)
Stave: +3 -1 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)

Overall I'd say a slight buff to melee and swapping the roles of psilencer and psycannon (anti-horde and anti-elite now instead of psilencer just being the better option).

These rumors look good enough to prepare for upcoming games with the new GK.

 xeen wrote:
I am hoping all is dust becomes S7 and less instead of damage. That would be a huge improvement.

If it is save based, I think it will be limited to armour saves and not include invulnerable saves. S7 or less attacks give plus 1 save sounds ok.
Other options I think could be All is Dust = permanent transhuman. Similar to Inner Circle from Dark Angels.
Or, All is Dust = a permanent -1 to wound. Similar to Harlequin infantry near a Shadowseer.

 wuestenfux wrote:

DaPino wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
RUMORS from the box.

Grey Knights gain a second wound (obviously), but the base Strike Squad guy now has 3 attacks base. Swords are now the same as Master Crafted Power Swords. Halberds are S+2, Ap-2, D2. Incinerators are range 12, Heavy D6, St6, Ap-1, D1. Psylancer is Range 24, Heavy 6, St4, ap-1. Psycannons are only 3 shots now, St7, Ap-1, D2

So basically:

Strike squads 2 wounds 3 attacks each (4 for sarg)

Incinerator: 12" Heavy D6 6 -1 1 (more range basically)
Psilencer: Heavy 6 S4 -1 1 (Gained 1 AP, no d3 dmg)
Psycannon: Heavy 3 S7 -1 2 (lost a shot gained a dmg)
Daemon Hammer: x2 -2 3 (lost 1 AP)
Falchions: U -2 1 (lost d3 dmg, auch!)
Halberds: +2 -2 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)
Sword: +1 -3 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)
Stave: +3 -1 2 (+1S, d3 dmg changed to flat 2)

Overall I'd say a slight buff to melee and swapping the roles of psilencer and psycannon (anti-horde and anti-elite now instead of psilencer just being the better option).

These rumors look good enough to prepare for upcoming games with the new GK.

Seeing the GK rules is making me salivate for Thousand Sons. They have to make the two books coming out at the same time somewhat balanced? Right? Right!?!

-1 to wound would be pretty neat - not sure on the math. I'd like to see GW expand the "types" of problems like they've done so far.

GK otherwise look to be shaping up as really formidable melee opponents.

The Kill Team datasheet isn't necessarily indicative, but if it is it implies that All Is Dust is nerfed from 8th; in KT it activates against three damage weapons (which is a bolter basically) but doesn't affect your invulnerable save.

God, the old GK look *terrible* in this box…like 3rd edition Dark Eldar Scourges slapped in an 8th edition battle box. The update to their leader just drives that home much more so

I think it's the big box magazines on their Storm Bolters. If they had the linkages to their backpacks like the 3rd Ed metals they perhaps wouldn't look quite so silly.

DaPino wrote:
Grey Knights gain a second wound (obviously), but the base Strike Squad guy now has 3 attacks base.

Which is kinda dumb change as Purifiers as elites used to have +1 attack while Purgators (the devastator equivalent) always was less potent in melee than the other 3 types as they were practicing marksmanship, not swordplay (they ever used to have badass quote stating this in old book). Now all three are exactly identical. Hooray for fluff adherence, I guess.

Psilencer: Heavy 6 S4 -1 1 (Gained 1 AP, no d3 dmg)
Falchions: U -2 1 (lost d3 dmg, auch!)

Which again is dumb change as all of these are supposed to be force (old instant death) weapons and them going down in damage is silly seeing no other force weapon in the game got this change and we had gigantic damage inflation on previously weak xeno weapons. Now a piece of rebar held by ork is more dangerous than a master crafted sword wielded by supposedly greatest of the space marines capable of instantly killing any enemy on the slightest touch. Hooray for fluff adherence, I guess

And yes, I get the intent is to reduce the amount of rolling, especially with huge attack inflation GK just had, but I feel there were way more elegant and fluffy ways to do so than just to blanderize them into copy/paste of every single other SM book.

 alextroy wrote:
Assuming Falchions include at least 1 extra attack each time you fight, GW is leaning heavy on making all these melee weapons equivalent but better in specific circumstances. Given the less Strength, AP, and Damage, you'll need to hope Falchions give more than just one extra attack. I wonder if 2 would do the job?

Seeing S/H/S are now blanderized to be 1:1 copies of sword/axe/maul of other chapters, I'd imagine falchions are now not-claws (reroll to wound). If so, this might mean stave lost its force field (very likely to be the case seeing it's free). Hooray for fluff adherence, again.

It's also sad how psycannon had perfect stats in 5th edition to be interesting gun useful in wide range of situations, but OP in none and every single knee jerk change GW did since then made it worse and less unique. It's now blanderized heavy bolter - a full circle all the way back to third edition, funnily enough. They could also make psilencer assault weapon to make it less of a clone of psycannon (but that would be too fluffy seeing it's supposed to have zero recoil and is targeted/fired by user's mind) but what do I know, I guess.

 Irbis wrote:

DaPino wrote:
Grey Knights gain a second wound (obviously), but the base Strike Squad guy now has 3 attacks base.

Which is kinda dumb change as Purifiers as elites used to have +1 attack while Purgators (the devastator equivalent) always was less potent in melee than the other 3 types as they were practicing marksmanship, not swordplay (they ever used to have badass quote stating this in old book). Now all three are exactly identical. Hooray for fluff adherence, I guess.

I can guarantee to you that a Purgator with a psycannon is going to be worse in melee than a Purifier with a Nemesis Force Sword.

Hexfire and codices next week's preorders.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hexfire and codices next week's preorders.

WOOO!

Here's hoping our magic phase is all it's cracked up to be.

Getting both codices at the same time bodes well for 40K releases before year's end. we should see Orks, and at least 2-3 more books.

Let's see how both of these books stack up to admech, drukhari and sisters.

I want to see how we stand up to Death Guard, and whether Magnus is a chump compared to Mortarion. GW seems to hate Tzeentch, after all.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hexfire and codices next week's preorders.

So when do pre-orders normally go live?

 dreadblade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hexfire and codices next week's preorders.

So when do pre-orders normally go live?

10am next Saturday.

Aeneades wrote:

 dreadblade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hexfire and codices next week's preorders.

So when do pre-orders normally go live?

10am next Saturday.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I want to see how we stand up to Death Guard, and whether Magnus is a chump compared to Mortarion. GW seems to hate Tzeentch, after all.

All I want is to pay points for inferno combis and gargoyles on my vehicles.

Maybe we'll get an answer to whether or not summoning is still a ( hopefully usable ) concept, too.

Interesting that according to BattleScribe, (i don't own the actual GK codex) there is 33 datasheets available and the Sunday Preview mentions 32...

Good bye Land Raider Banisher... (what a suprise...*sarcasm)

Which mean nothing new at all for GK that already exist, and nothing and absolutly nothing about Primaris GK

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I want to see how we stand up to Death Guard, and whether Magnus is a chump compared to Mortarion. GW seems to hate Tzeentch, after all.

All I want is to pay points for inferno combis and gargoyles on my vehicles.

Maybe we'll get an answer to whether or not summoning is still a ( hopefully usable ) concept, too.

The Field Manual confirms we're getting Inferno Bolts in combi-weapons. I'm hoping they also get to be loaded in heavy bolters, but that might be getting greedy.

 Qcbob wrote:
Interesting that according to BattleScribe, (i don't own the actual GK codex) there is 33 datasheets available and the Sunday Preview mentions 32...

Good bye Land Raider Banisher... (what a suprise...*sarcasm)

Which mean nothing new at all for GK that already exist, and nothing and absolutly nothing about Primaris GK

Well, Battlescribe is (as usual) wrong, as there are 34 datasheets available to Grey Knights right now. 2 of them are Forge World, and wouldn't be included in the GK codex anyways.

Rihgu wrote:

 Qcbob wrote:
Interesting that according to BattleScribe, (i don't own the actual GK codex) there is 33 datasheets available and the Sunday Preview mentions 32...

Good bye Land Raider Banisher... (what a suprise...*sarcasm)

Which mean nothing new at all for GK that already exist, and nothing and absolutly nothing about Primaris GK

Well, Battlescribe is (as usual) wrong, as there are 34 datasheets available to Grey Knights right now. 2 of them are Forge World, and wouldn't be included in the GK codex anyways.

And one of those two Forge World units is the aforementioned Land Raider Banisher. So unless GW feels the need to just delete its datasheet from Imperial Armor, I'd call it safe.

 Irbis wrote:

Psilencer: Heavy 6 S4 -1 1 (Gained 1 AP, no d3 dmg)
Falchions: U -2 1 (lost d3 dmg, auch!)

Which again is dumb change as all of these are supposed to be force (old instant death) weapons and them going down in damage is silly seeing no other force weapon in the game got this change and we had gigantic damage inflation on previously weak xeno weapons. Now a piece of rebar held by ork is more dangerous than a master crafted sword wielded by supposedly greatest of the space marines capable of instantly killing any enemy on the slightest touch. Hooray for fluff adherence, I guess

And yes, I get the intent is to reduce the amount of rolling, especially with huge attack inflation GK just had, but I feel there were way more elegant and fluffy ways to do so than just to blanderize them into copy/paste of every single other SM book.

I mean, psilencers had force for like, one edition? And it was a big deal since they never had been force weapons. So I don't think it's really fair to say it's stupid they aren't anymore when they litterally weren't for the majority of the game's existence.

Also, litterally every faction is the strongest in its own fluff. If enough orks believe a piece of rebar can kill a titan by pointing at it, it will.

Interesting to see that the Grey Knight Strike Squad is actually... Sold Out Online, probably a reboxing or something

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I want to see how we stand up to Death Guard, and whether Magnus is a chump compared to Mortarion. GW seems to hate Tzeentch, after all.

All I want is to pay points for inferno combis and gargoyles on my vehicles.

Maybe we'll get an answer to whether or not summoning is still a ( hopefully usable ) concept, too.

Daemonic Ritual will probably be removed from the 1ksons codex just like it was from the Death Guard codex. It'll still work because it's in the current Chaos Daemons codex. Whether or not it works the same in the 9th edition Chaos Daemons codex is anyone's guess.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I want to see how we stand up to Death Guard, and whether Magnus is a chump compared to Mortarion. GW seems to hate Tzeentch, after all.

All I want is to pay points for inferno combis and gargoyles on my vehicles.

Maybe we'll get an answer to whether or not summoning is still a ( hopefully usable ) concept, too.

Daemonic Ritual will probably be removed from the 1ksons codex just like it was from the Death Guard codex. It'll still work because it's in the current Chaos Daemons codex. Whether or not it works the same in the 9th edition Chaos Daemons codex is anyone's guess.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm hoping summoning changed to be as powerful as it should be, and the points costs of those able to do it are increased accordingly. If I'm running a unit which can place a bunch of Daemons onto the battlefield, I want him to place those fething Daemons without having to cripple my whole army, darnit.

I reaaaaally disagree with pricing chaos HQ's with the assumption that they're putting a bunch of extra daemons on the field. That's just gonna suck for everyone. There are a lot of things you could do with Daemonic Ritual that makes it work as a sideboard that doesn't punish you for not running the sideboard.

DaPino wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Psilencer: Heavy 6 S4 -1 1 (Gained 1 AP, no d3 dmg)
Falchions: U -2 1 (lost d3 dmg, auch!)

Which again is dumb change as all of these are supposed to be force (old instant death) weapons and them going down in damage is silly seeing no other force weapon in the game got this change and we had gigantic damage inflation on previously weak xeno weapons. Now a piece of rebar held by ork is more dangerous than a master crafted sword wielded by supposedly greatest of the space marines capable of instantly killing any enemy on the slightest touch. Hooray for fluff adherence, I guess

And yes, I get the intent is to reduce the amount of rolling, especially with huge attack inflation GK just had, but I feel there were way more elegant and fluffy ways to do so than just to blanderize them into copy/paste of every single other SM book.

I mean, psilencers had force for like, one edition? And it was a big deal since they never had been force weapons. So I don't think it's really fair to say it's stupid they aren't anymore when they litterally weren't for the majority of the game's existence.

Also, litterally every faction is the strongest in its own fluff. If enough orks believe a piece of rebar can kill a titan by pointing at it, it will.

I am reading this as the poster is talking about the Falchions, not the Psilencer, as they are the famed Force weapon of the GK that has lost the D3 as well.

 Qcbob wrote:
Interesting to see that the Grey Knight Strike Squad is actually... Sold Out Online, probably a reboxing or something

Yes. New box with new art=new SKU. Old SKU won't be sold=sold out. It's not just replacing cover and be done. It's actually new SKU for the system so old cover with old SKU will be marked as out of sale.

Standard thing with new codexes. In AOS side some people are panicking old stormcast are getting squatted because of same thing

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I reaaaaally disagree with pricing chaos HQ's with the assumption that they're putting a bunch of extra daemons on the field. That's just gonna suck for everyone. There are a lot of things you could do with Daemonic Ritual that makes it work as a sideboard that doesn't punish you for not running the sideboard.

*shrug*

Make the ability to summon an upgrade for characters. You then pick and choose who has the option to, but your opponent can also try to remove them to maroon the daemons in the Warp.

On the other hand, that would mean a small degree of tactical interplay, and this is GW, so...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I reaaaaally disagree with pricing chaos HQ's with the assumption that they're putting a bunch of extra daemons on the field. That's just gonna suck for everyone. There are a lot of things you could do with Daemonic Ritual that makes it work as a sideboard that doesn't punish you for not running the sideboard.

*shrug*

Make the ability to summon an upgrade for characters. You then pick and choose who has the option to, but your opponent can also try to remove them to maroon the daemons in the Warp.

On the other hand, that would mean a small degree of tactical interplay, and this is GW, so...

You could tie summoning to purchasable Icons like it was in previous editions. Don't want to pay for the ability to summon? Don't buy the Icon.